[ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and aquestionabout roof mastic

Jim Cumberland fjcumberland at sc.rr.com
Wed Jan 5 03:45:00 GMT 2005


Hi James,

I agree - you have been tremendously helpful to me as i go about working on 
my (now temporarily stalled) AC upgrade.   I greatly appreciate all your 
assistance!

Cheers,

Jim
At 09:47 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote:
>I thank you all very much.Actually I had a garage in Cambridge Mass, and
>serviced Rovers 35 years ago, while I was going to Law School, nights.I
>chose to stick with British cars, not forensic Rhetoric, and have had a
>restoration/parts business in Downtown Ft. Lauderdale 30 years.Generally 75%
>of my business was Jaguar, but I have always been fond of Rovers, and ended
>up owning a lot of them. I recently sent Rudiger the VIN numbers and fate of
>a dozen or more, to add to his database. I have been compulsively hoarding
>British parts for 30 years,and Finally realized I HAD to sell some of this
>rare stuff.I finally bought and learned to use a computer 6 months ago. I am
>doing less restoration and more parts. I put an ad on Rudiger's website, and
>have been selling some rare3500S stuff to Europe, but Rovernet has no
>classified section, so sadly few people are aware of the volume of 2000,
>3500S, and SD1 parts I have. This includes some rareNOS, and used parts
>stored in my warehouse 25 years. I do give free restoration advice, and have
>done a lot with air conditioning, soundproofing, etc. By the way, I have a
>P5B with no engine, but rare factory air; and could take photos if it would
>help someone. Generally I would advise fitting a trunk or underdash unit, as
>it is less trouble, and I have a lot of rareNOS Coolaire units, suitable for
>that, if you upgrade them..The best thing is just contact me directly if you
>need anything,or if I can advise you. I have so many Rover parts, I have
>been sellingMagstars  and Rostyles and AC evaporators on Ebay, because no
>one knows I have these things. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale.
>jaguru at bellsouth.net   Phone 1954JAGUARS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Slatskars" <slatskars at comcast.net>
>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and
>aquestionabout roof mastic
>
>
> > I will second that. I have yet to really dig into my P-5, but have you
> > listed as a resource!
> >
> > Slats
> > Vancouver, WA, USA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <rogerdm at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > questionabout roof mastic
> >
> >
> > > hi James
> > >
> > > I don't think you sound commercial, because you clearly describe the
> > > product
> > > type and technique required, leaving the purchase to the discretion of
>the
> > > enthusiast.  I think you are very generous in sharing your expertise,
> > > which
> > > I value very much.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > roger
> > >
> > > >-- Original Message --
> > >>From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> > >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > >>questionabout
> > >> roof mastic
> > >>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:04:24 -0500
> > >>Cc:
> > >>Reply-To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>For your headliner insulation, You should use 3M8090 trim adhesive,
>which
> > >>is
> > >>heavy duty, not 8080, which is cheaper, and fine for carpets.It is a
>Spray
> > >>can, used by trim shops for headliners andvinyl tops.You have to keep
> > >>shaking it, and the nozzles clog, so save the old nozzles in a can of
> > >>lacquer thinner. Regarding insulation, you need something better than
> > >>aluminum foil. I use and sell for under carpets and lower areas, a sound
> > >>foam material, called lead foam, that blocks sound, but it is 1/2 inch
> > >>thick. It is amazing stuff, with closed cell fire resistant foam(unlike
> > > old
> > >>jute which is like gunpowder), a layer of silver mylar on one side, and
> > >>powdered lead encapsulated in the center. It is designed for large motor
> > >>yachts, where the owner's stateroom is separated from an engine room by
> > > a
> > >>bulkhead, but sound is simply unacceptable.I can only supply 1/2 inch,
>but
> > >>you may find something similar used in aircraft, that is thinner. You
>cut
> > >>and fit it, glue it with the 8090, and use mylar tape on the seams.I
>have
> > >>used the 1/2 inch for a decade, to Block heat in Austin Healeys, and in
> > > most
> > >>of my high end restorations. There I put a half sheet inside the
> > >>transmission tunnel, and a sheet over the rear axle area, as in a TR6 or
> > >>MGBGtT, to stop axle noise.It is designed to stop noise, but works
>equally
> > >>well on heat.Sorry to  sound commercial,which upsets people, but my
>email
> > >>is
> > >>jaguru at bellsouth.net, and I am glad to advise anyone, and do share my
> > >>professional restoration tips. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Peter Mitchell" <peterm at arach.net.au>
> > >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:48 AM
> > >>Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > >>questionabout roof mastic
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks Vern Peter and Eric for your kind advice re the space for
> > >>insulation
> > >>> in the roof of my P6.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll follow your thinking and cut the new insulation so as to leave
> > >>> space
> > >>> for the canopy bows.  that way the existing insulation will be all
>that
> > >>is
> > >>> taking up space, hence no change from before.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have yet to visit an automotive parts retail shop, but I'll be
>needing
> > >>a
> > >>> suitable black mastic or similar for when I put the new roof on.  Can
> > >>> members please suggest a brand name?
> > >>>
> > >>> Many thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter Mitchell
> > >>> Perth Western Australia
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
> > >>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Vern Klukas
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2005 4:08 AM
> > >>> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation query
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter:
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree with Eric , there really isn't much room so his between the
> > >>> bows approach will work best i think.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you live in the sun and you are looking for heat control, a layer
> > >>> of heavy aluminum foil, most polished side towards the roof and spot
> > >>> glued in a few places, will save you a couple of degrees inside the
> > >>> car in the blazing sun, and slow the time it will take to warm up
> > >>> sitting closed in the sun.
> > >>>
> > >>> Yours
> > >>> Vern
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> >Peter,
> > >>> >The metal headling arches press so firmly against the
> > >>> >roof insulaton that it leaves permanent grooves.  The
> > >>> >metal tabs on the roof frame have self-tapping screw
> > >>> >holes that barely line up when you re. and re. roof
> > >>> >lining at the best of times.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >If you want to increase insulation why don't you keep
> > >>> >the original lining on the roof (perhaps Contact
> > >>> >Cement it in a few places to keep it from falling.
> > >>> >Then, acquire insulation pieces to glue onto the
> > >>> >existing insulation but between the marks where the
> > >>> >roof arches want to fit.
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
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