[ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks-and aquestionabout roof mastic

James Dean jaguru at bellsouth.net
Wed Jan 5 14:27:09 GMT 2005


Thank You. I have sold a 3500S unit to an overseas buyer, so now is probably
the best time tomake up the rest of your stuff, if you want. I have that
complete  system removed from the car and engine, so it would be easy to
make up your things, and harder later, after this is shipped.James.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at sc.rr.com>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks-and aquestionabout
roof mastic


> Hi James,
>
> I agree - you have been tremendously helpful to me as i go about working
on
> my (now temporarily stalled) AC upgrade.   I greatly appreciate all your
> assistance!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
> At 09:47 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote:
> >I thank you all very much.Actually I had a garage in Cambridge Mass, and
> >serviced Rovers 35 years ago, while I was going to Law School, nights.I
> >chose to stick with British cars, not forensic Rhetoric, and have had a
> >restoration/parts business in Downtown Ft. Lauderdale 30 years.Generally
75%
> >of my business was Jaguar, but I have always been fond of Rovers, and
ended
> >up owning a lot of them. I recently sent Rudiger the VIN numbers and fate
of
> >a dozen or more, to add to his database. I have been compulsively
hoarding
> >British parts for 30 years,and Finally realized I HAD to sell some of
this
> >rare stuff.I finally bought and learned to use a computer 6 months ago. I
am
> >doing less restoration and more parts. I put an ad on Rudiger's website,
and
> >have been selling some rare3500S stuff to Europe, but Rovernet has no
> >classified section, so sadly few people are aware of the volume of 2000,
> >3500S, and SD1 parts I have. This includes some rareNOS, and used parts
> >stored in my warehouse 25 years. I do give free restoration advice, and
have
> >done a lot with air conditioning, soundproofing, etc. By the way, I have
a
> >P5B with no engine, but rare factory air; and could take photos if it
would
> >help someone. Generally I would advise fitting a trunk or underdash unit,
as
> >it is less trouble, and I have a lot of rareNOS Coolaire units, suitable
for
> >that, if you upgrade them..The best thing is just contact me directly if
you
> >need anything,or if I can advise you. I have so many Rover parts, I have
> >been sellingMagstars  and Rostyles and AC evaporators on Ebay, because no
> >one knows I have these things. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale.
> >jaguru at bellsouth.net   Phone 1954JAGUARS
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Slatskars" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:57 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and
> >aquestionabout roof mastic
> >
> >
> > > I will second that. I have yet to really dig into my P-5, but have you
> > > listed as a resource!
> > >
> > > Slats
> > > Vancouver, WA, USA
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <rogerdm at iprimus.com.au>
> > > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > > questionabout roof mastic
> > >
> > >
> > > > hi James
> > > >
> > > > I don't think you sound commercial, because you clearly describe the
> > > > product
> > > > type and technique required, leaving the purchase to the discretion
of
> >the
> > > > enthusiast.  I think you are very generous in sharing your
expertise,
> > > > which
> > > > I value very much.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > roger
> > > >
> > > > >-- Original Message --
> > > >>From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> > > >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > > >>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > > >>questionabout
> > > >> roof mastic
> > > >>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:04:24 -0500
> > > >>Cc:
> > > >>Reply-To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>For your headliner insulation, You should use 3M8090 trim adhesive,
> >which
> > > >>is
> > > >>heavy duty, not 8080, which is cheaper, and fine for carpets.It is a
> >Spray
> > > >>can, used by trim shops for headliners andvinyl tops.You have to
keep
> > > >>shaking it, and the nozzles clog, so save the old nozzles in a can
of
> > > >>lacquer thinner. Regarding insulation, you need something better
than
> > > >>aluminum foil. I use and sell for under carpets and lower areas, a
sound
> > > >>foam material, called lead foam, that blocks sound, but it is 1/2
inch
> > > >>thick. It is amazing stuff, with closed cell fire resistant
foam(unlike
> > > > old
> > > >>jute which is like gunpowder), a layer of silver mylar on one side,
and
> > > >>powdered lead encapsulated in the center. It is designed for large
motor
> > > >>yachts, where the owner's stateroom is separated from an engine room
by
> > > > a
> > > >>bulkhead, but sound is simply unacceptable.I can only supply 1/2
inch,
> >but
> > > >>you may find something similar used in aircraft, that is thinner.
You
> >cut
> > > >>and fit it, glue it with the 8090, and use mylar tape on the seams.I
> >have
> > > >>used the 1/2 inch for a decade, to Block heat in Austin Healeys, and
in
> > > > most
> > > >>of my high end restorations. There I put a half sheet inside the
> > > >>transmission tunnel, and a sheet over the rear axle area, as in a
TR6 or
> > > >>MGBGtT, to stop axle noise.It is designed to stop noise, but works
> >equally
> > > >>well on heat.Sorry to  sound commercial,which upsets people, but my
> >email
> > > >>is
> > > >>jaguru at bellsouth.net, and I am glad to advise anyone, and do share
my
> > > >>professional restoration tips. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Peter Mitchell" <peterm at arach.net.au>
> > > >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:48 AM
> > > >>Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation - thanks- and a
> > > >>questionabout roof mastic
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thanks Vern Peter and Eric for your kind advice re the space for
> > > >>insulation
> > > >>> in the roof of my P6.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'll follow your thinking and cut the new insulation so as to
leave
> > > >>> space
> > > >>> for the canopy bows.  that way the existing insulation will be all
> >that
> > > >>is
> > > >>> taking up space, hence no change from before.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have yet to visit an automotive parts retail shop, but I'll be
> >needing
> > > >>a
> > > >>> suitable black mastic or similar for when I put the new roof on.
Can
> > > >>> members please suggest a brand name?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Many thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Peter Mitchell
> > > >>> Perth Western Australia
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
> > > >>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Vern Klukas
> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2005 4:08 AM
> > > >>> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6- roof insulation query
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Peter:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I agree with Eric , there really isn't much room so his between
the
> > > >>> bows approach will work best i think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you live in the sun and you are looking for heat control, a
layer
> > > >>> of heavy aluminum foil, most polished side towards the roof and
spot
> > > >>> glued in a few places, will save you a couple of degrees inside
the
> > > >>> car in the blazing sun, and slow the time it will take to warm up
> > > >>> sitting closed in the sun.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yours
> > > >>> Vern
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >Peter,
> > > >>> >The metal headling arches press so firmly against the
> > > >>> >roof insulaton that it leaves permanent grooves.  The
> > > >>> >metal tabs on the roof frame have self-tapping screw
> > > >>> >holes that barely line up when you re. and re. roof
> > > >>> >lining at the best of times.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >If you want to increase insulation why don't you keep
> > > >>> >the original lining on the roof (perhaps Contact
> > > >>> >Cement it in a few places to keep it from falling.
> > > >>> >Then, acquire insulation pieces to glue onto the
> > > >>> >existing insulation but between the marks where the
> > > >>> >roof arches want to fit.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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