[ROVERNET - UK] Still blowin' steam (Steve L.)

[Alice and Ian Potts]

Steve, after this happened to me, with heavy water dilution in the oil, I 
groaned and removed the head AGAIN!. Standing it on end after taping up all 
the coolant holes, I filled it with water, and sure enough, it drained out 
from one of the exhaust inlet passageways.  There can be a VERY THIN wall 
separating the coolant passage to an inlet or exhaust passage, and corrosion 
or old age or a poor initial casting !!!! could have caused the crossover 
leak.
I cry for you..........Ian Potts.
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>   1.  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Eric Russell)
>   2. RE:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Jonathan Hewison)
>   3. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Stephen Beer)
>   4. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Fritz Rauschenberg)
>   5. RE:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Paul Smith)
>   6. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (JOHN HALL)
>   7.  Kinards in New England (Kent Kinard)
>   8.  A/C Compressor (Gatrell David)
>   9. Re:  Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence) (Eric Russell)
>  10. Re:  A/C Compressor (Peter Huttemeier)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:25:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
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> Hello All,
>
> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
> my '69 TC and
> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> I am hoping
> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
> chamber, but it
> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
> the oil was
> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
> gasket problem.  The
> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
> intake manifold is
> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
> torqued down well
> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
> finally cleared up?
>
> Thank you for any input you can provide.
>
> Steve Lawrence
> Woodinville, WA
> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:36:42 +1300
> From: "Jonathan Hewison" <Jonathan.Hewison at vuw.ac.nz>
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
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> Could be residual moisture in the exhaust system....
>
>
> Jonathan Hewison
> Engineering Technician
> Faculty of Architecture & Design
> Victoria University of Wellington
> Te Whare Wananga o Te Upoko o Te Ika
> New Zealand.
> www.vuw.ac.nz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Russell [mailto:p6rovers at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 8:25 a.m.
> To: Rovernet
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on my '69 TC and there
> is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
> I am hoping
> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion chamber, but it has
> not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since the oil was quite
> contaminated with coolant from the old head gasket problem.  The new
> head is level, pressure checked etc., and the intake manifold is in good
> shape and sealing well, the head bolts are torqued down well and to
> specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in the combustion
> chamber, but I would think it would burn off quickly. Has anybody had
> this problem and it finally cleared up?
>
> Thank you for any input you can provide.
>
> Steve Lawrence
> Woodinville, WA
> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:03:14 -0500
> From: Stephen Beer <stephen at beerinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
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> When I had this problem (twice) it was actually brake fluid that had
> seeped past a seal in the brake booster to then be burned in
> combustion. I believe this to be a common problem with P6s. I have even
> been told to pump the brakes after stopping the car to relieve the
> vacuum pressure on the booster. This pressure contributes to the
> compromise of this seal.
>
> An acrid odor accompanied this whitish cloud.
>
> Stephen Beer
> Milan, NY
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Eric Russell wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
>> my '69 TC and
>> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
>> I am hoping
>> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
>> chamber, but it
>> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
>> the oil was
>> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
>> gasket problem.  The
>> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
>> intake manifold is
>> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
>> torqued down well
>> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
>> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
>> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
>> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
>> finally cleared up?
>>
>> Thank you for any input you can provide.
>>
>> Steve Lawrence
>> Woodinville, WA
>> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:07:37 -0500
> From: Fritz Rauschenberg <wfritz at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Is the engine running smoothly ? If so, then it would reasonably be 
> residual coolant
> in the exhaust system.
>
> Fritz Rauschenberg
> Atlanta, GA
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
>> my '69 TC and
>> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
>> I am hoping
>> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
>> chamber, but it
>> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
>> the oil was
>> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
>> gasket problem.  The
>> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
>> intake manifold is
>> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
>> torqued down well
>> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
>> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
>> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
>> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
>> finally cleared up?
>>
>> Thank you for any input you can provide.
>>
>> Steve Lawrence
>> Woodinville, WA
>> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:17:10 +1100
> From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> To: "'wfritz at mindspring.com'" <wfritz at mindspring.com>,
> "'rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com'" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> It sounds more like the oil from the top of the bores (assuming you oiled
> everything well prior to assembly).  Like, if it is happening once engine 
> is
> up to stable temperature for 10 min, and the outside air temp is above 50F
> it is not likely to be moisture.  If the air temp is Low, then it is just
> normal condensate - water is a normal product of combustion.
>
> PVS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fritz Rauschenberg [mailto:wfritz at mindspring.com]
> Sent: Monday, 28 February 2005 8:08 am
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
>
>
> Is the engine running smoothly ? If so, then it would reasonably be 
> residual
> coolant
> in the exhaust system.
>
> Fritz Rauschenberg
> Atlanta, GA
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just installed a re-worked head and head gasket on
>> my '69 TC and
>> there is still white steam blowing out the tail pipe.
>> I am hoping
>> this is residual moisture that was in the combustion
>> chamber, but it
>> has not cleared after 3 oil changes (in one day) since
>> the oil was
>> quite contaminated with coolant from the old head
>> gasket problem.  The
>> new head is level, pressure checked etc., and the
>> intake manifold is
>> in good shape and sealing well, the head bolts are
>> torqued down well
>> and to specs. The coolant level is staying up as well.
>> Is this residual moisture?? There was some coolant in
>> the combustion chamber, but I would think it would
>> burn off quickly. Has anybody had this problem and it
>> finally cleared up?
>>
>> Thank you for any input you can provide.
>>
>> Steve Lawrence
>> Woodinville, WA
>> <jaoa27 at verizon.net>
>>
>> =====
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>> The Rover Car Club of Canada -  www.roverclub.ca
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:42:19 -0600
> From: "JOHN HALL" <J.HALL11 at COMCAST.NET>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> I had that problem. It was oil that had settled in the exhast system. Went
> on long drive at 70mph, and it finally stopped.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:43:15 -0600
> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at swbell.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Kinards in New England
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Hi Hank,
> I emailed Steve and haven't gotten a reply as of yet.  Harkness is the
> same weekend as Sturbridge.  I told Steve we would only be there a week,
> but I checked again and we will be there untile June 15.  I hope we can
> meet some of the New England Roverites while we are in the vicinity.
> When do you and Sally head north?
>
> Rovely,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>> Hi Kent,
>>    I think you're in luck because the first weekend in June is usually
>> the Harkness estate all British meet on the south shore of Connecticut,
>> not far from the Rhode Island line.   Steven may pick up on this and
>> reply with current details.  He and I have gone down there with one of
>> his Rovers while his wife and Sally are at Sturbridge Miniature Show.
>> Hope to see you there.....
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>> Kent Kinard wrote:
>>
>>> Hank & Sally,
>>> Speaking of "Roving", Sheila and I have our plane tickets to
>>> Providence and will be at Sturbridge the first weekend in June.  We'll
>>> have a couple of weeks in Massachusetts, what's going on up there?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Gatrell David <drnaramata at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] A/C Compressor
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> Rovernetters
> Last week there was a P-4 100 from Sydney offered for
> sale. One of the messages that followed said the Air
> Cond system was well installed.   Can anyone say where
> the  compressor was mounted?   I have just bought an
> A/C compressor and some of the other parts to put A/C
> into my P5 3 litre. I have worked out where I intend
> to mount the compressor but maybe I could benefit from
> the "Netters" experience.
> Thank you in advance.
> David
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:23:01 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Still Blow'in Steam (for Steve Lawrence)
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Steve,
> I had the same problem that Stephen identified.
> At the time, I was experimenting (once only in my life
> :-(   with silicone brake fluid.  The problem became
> apparent as I started up the hill five minutes from
> home and on my way to work.  As I accelerated and
> maximized the vacuum pressure, white exhaust appeared.
> After much time fault-finding, I decided to remove
> the one-way valve on the bottom of each servo  I stuck
> my finger into the air vacuum chambers and found brake
> fluid loose inside. The fluid was being sucked into
> the carbs under load.  All the seals were replaced and
> I changed back to conventional brake fluid and have
> been problem free in this regard.
>
> It's another thing to pursue.  You might have more
> than one problem at a time facing you.
>
> The joys of Rover 2000 ownership .........
>
>
> Eric
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:46:21 +1100
> From: Peter Huttemeier <peterhut at melbpc.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] A/C Compressor
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> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:20:21 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>
>
>>Last week there was a P-4 100 from Sydney offered for
>>sale. One of the messages that followed said the Air
>>Cond system was well installed.   Can anyone say where
>>the  compressor was mounted?   I have just bought an
>
> Not sure, but I know the aircon outlet faces forward from the rear
> parcel shelf.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter H
>
>
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