[ROVERNET - UK] Wire wheels

Dirk Burrowes dirk at vy-tek.com
Wed Jul 12 03:17:12 BST 2006


I am glad to hear that someone else likes the wire wheels Rover released for
only 2 years 67 and 68 as an upgrade to the steel wheel option in the UK.
As far as I know the option was only available in the UK so none where
exported to the US or Down under. I guess they where not that popular

I purchased a set last year and hope to refurbish them and install them on
my 68 TC they are very cool.

To follow up on the freewheel discussion I can't wait to try one out it I
guess it is like a roller coaster ride just with consequences.

Dirk

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[ROVERNET-UK]

Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  1951 Rover P4 Cyclops (Hank and Sally Manwell)
   2. Re:  SD1 and Jensen wheels (sspmilr at netzero.net)
   3.  Re: NADA TC (Glen Wilson)
   4. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Jim Cumberland)
   5. Re:  sign off (Eric Russell)
   6. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Eric Russell)
   7. RE:  Re: NADA TC (Paul Smith)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:08:19 -0400
From: "Hank and Sally Manwell" <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c6a4f3$7cb12470$d58a0fce at c6n7b7>
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Yes, the freewheel has some scary features - and an added one for absent 
minded people (like me).  I remember seeing a brand new SAAB w/freewheel 
that had been out on a test drive from the dealer in Salida, Colorado.  It 
was driven to the top of Monarch Pass, 11,000 or so feet, and parked at the 
observation center - and left in gear.  As soon as the driver walked away 
from it, it rolled off the edge and found a tree a few hundred feet down the

mountain and hit dead center condensing the grill into the dashboard.

With that memory I was never willing to use the freewheel either in my SAAB 
or the various Freewheeling Rovers we had.  I ran down the street as fast as

I could once to catch my Father's Rover 90 after my wife left it only in 
gear at the curb in front of the house.

We do have a lot of P4 parts around here in Central New York including doors

with trim (same as cyclops, I think) and hoods (which I think are somewhat 
different in the front than 1952 and later cars.

And we've got a solid 1960 100 project car that's up for grabs.

Hank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: "Steve Smith" <ltsmiths at peoplepc.com>; <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops


> Steve,
>
> One feature of the freewheel is quite "memorable" to me...
>
> I found myself headed down a long hill in the 1953 P4 75 that I had over 
> 20 years ago with freewheel engaged and a stop sign and crossroad at the 
> bottom of the hill.  The drum brakes had faded by the bottom of hill and 
> it was fortunate that the road I was on merged into the road at the bottom

> (rather than meeting at right angles) and that there wasn't much traffic 
> around.
>
> The moral of the story is that the same feature that lets the car coast 
> downhill with the engine at idle also gives no engine braking on a steep 
> downhill.  In the wrong circumstances its dangerous, but the clutchless up

> shifts are fun and its economical and quieter to let the engine rev's die 
> down to idle on a long drive with gentle downhill stretches along the way.
> Similarly, its not a good idea to leave a Rover parked in freewheel with 
> its nose aimed downhill -- my father has a story related to this.
>
> There are only one or two restored Cyclops' (what's the plural?) in North 
> America, but its hard to say what the restored value would be.  There are 
> probably at least another five to ten un-restored Cyclops in North America

> including a pretty complete parts car in Maine.  New parts are readily 
> available from England and there are a few collections of used early P4 
> parts on this side of the Atlantic too.  I have some mid '50's parts and 
> some are useable on early '50's cars.
> James Taylor's book "Classic Rovers 1945 - 1986" says that 2,542 LHD 
> export P4's were made in 1951 and does not show separate export numbers 
> for 1950.  I don't know what proportion would have come to the US market; 
> maybe one of the P4 books has more specific info.
>
> --Steve
>





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:23:25 GMT
From: "sspmilr at netzero.net" <sspmilr at netzero.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] SD1 and Jensen wheels
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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Hi Rudiger:

Very enjoyable Rover site!

Thank you,

Peter Miller
Arlington, Wa.
USA




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars down
> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer them to
> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen a
> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while I,m
> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.

David,

Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC for
sale 
by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
Magstar 
wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here, 
although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage still in

the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any time, 
day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)

I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might be
one 
or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.

I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, but
there 
really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never heard
of 
the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do know
of 
the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 4WD 
vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own Triumphs

and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is. 

Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
number 
pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at how 
many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over here.
In 
spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. Almost all

of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but they are

always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate Rovers 
have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in garages and 
barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of one 
P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is that 
Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting enough that

people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore them. 

Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the USA as

you can tell from reading the Rovernet.

Glen


>
> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain steel
>
> wheels
>
> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales brochure
>
> and
>
> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
> >
> > I've got scans of the brochure at
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > --
> > Glen Wilson
> > http://stores.ebay.com/EasyAuctionServicesPA
> > A bit of this, a bit of that...
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Message-ID: <20060711151359.77776.qmail at web33606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I'vr got a set of the TC wires - bought in the UK last year - but have not
fitted them to the car because the nuts got lost in transit.  Fortunately
another set has turned up in the UK.  I may just fit them for shows .  . . .


----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:49:48 AM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC

On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars down
> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer them to
> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen a
> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while I,m
> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.

David,

Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC for
sale 
by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
Magstar 
wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here, 
although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage still in

the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any time, 
day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)

I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might be
one 
or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.

I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, but
there 
really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never heard
of 
the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do know
of 
the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 4WD 
vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own Triumphs

and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is. 

Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
number 
pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at how 
many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over here.
In 
spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. Almost all

of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but they are

always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate Rovers 
have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in garages and 
barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of one 
P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is that 
Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting enough that

people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore them. 

Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the USA as

you can tell from reading the Rovernet.

Glen


>
> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain steel
>
> wheels
>
> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales brochure
>
> and
>
> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
> >
> > I've got scans of the brochure at
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > --
> > Glen Wilson
> > http://stores.ebay.com/EasyAuctionServicesPA
> > A bit of this, a bit of that...
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] sign off
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Soon, Ben, soon......
I am trying to pry some more pictures from Ben to
develop a web album for him  (nudge, nudge, wink,
wink,....saaaay no mo'r....)

Eric


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> Hi Folks
>             The above heading, seemed to be very
> suitable for this
> message!!! I have finally reached the difficult
> decision to sell my Rover,
> Its a 1967 Rover P5 Mk 3  4sp o/d  in good
> condition, and located on Prince
> Edward Island Canada. It is on the road and very
> reliable, I'm open to
> offers. Please contact me at my email address if you
> wish further details.
> irishrover at netscape.ca  There is probably a photo on
> the RCOC web site.
>                                    Regards  Ben
> 
> FREDERICK  (BEN) RODGERS
> born in Belfast, Northern Ireland,
> Author of "lily and me" a great book and a great
> read .
> Order on line at amazon.com. Book #
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> 
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
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--- Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net> wrote:

<MAJOR SNIP>
Almost all 
> of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive
> restoration, but they are always popping up. Over
the years, people in the USA who appreciate Rovers 
> have tended to own several of them at one time and
> kept them in garages and barns with the best
intentions of restoring them. When you get word of one
P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. 
((Take Ted Holman for isntance ...........))  ROFLMHO


Eric


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:25:01 +1000
From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
To: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>,
	<rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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The proper wire wheels with a single decagonal nut?
Or the American pseudos?

PVS

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[mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Jim Cumberland
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 1:14 am
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC


I'vr got a set of the TC wires - bought in the UK last year - but have not
fitted them to the car because the nuts got lost in transit.  Fortunately
another set has turned up in the UK.  I may just fit them for shows .  . . .


----- Original Message ----
From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:49:48 AM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC

On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars down
> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer them to
> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen a
> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while I,m
> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.

David,

Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC for
sale 
by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
Magstar 
wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here, 
although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage still in

the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any time, 
day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)

I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might be
one 
or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.

I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, but
there 
really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never heard
of 
the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do know
of 
the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 4WD 
vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own Triumphs

and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is. 

Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
number 
pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at how 
many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over here.
In 
spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. Almost all

of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but they are

always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate Rovers 
have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in garages and 
barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of one 
P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is that 
Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting enough that

people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore them. 

Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the USA as

you can tell from reading the Rovernet.

Glen


>
> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain steel
>
> wheels
>
> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales brochure
>
> and
>
> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
> >
> > I've got scans of the brochure at
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > --
> > Glen Wilson
> > http://stores.ebay.com/EasyAuctionServicesPA
> > A bit of this, a bit of that...
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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