[ROVERNET - UK] Wire wheels

David Walter david at davidwalter.net
Mon Jul 17 21:01:28 BST 2006


Good to see an unusual topic, wire wheels were exported to Australia as 
on
option for the SC & TC.
I purchased a TC with wire wheels, took them off, fitted steel wheels to 
the
TC which I then sold, then I fitted the wire wheels to my P6B some 10 
years
ago.

First I had them restored, new wires fitted to all five wheels, the hubs
resplined as they had been mangled by not tightening the cap nuts 
correctly,
new bearing cups then finally powdercoated in the  same grey colour.
The powdercoating was not as successful as I had hoped for as it chips
around where the wires enter the rim.

Next I expect to hear how wire wheels will not last on V8, this is 
simply
not true, I have driven some 10,000 miles with the wire wheels fitted
without any difficulty at all.
I feel that most problems stem from the "sporty effect" of having wire
wheels, that is very hard cornering, hitting curbs and so on, the 3500 
does
not produce so much more horsepower than a TC that it will destroy wire
wheels on take off.

I dont know if this is true or not, I was told by an auotmotiove 
engineer
that the greatest stress on any wheel/rim will come with braking, not
acceleration, as the 2000 and tthe 3500 are about the same weight there 
is
little risk here.

The most difficult item was the spacer to mount the spare on the Boot 
with
the Touring Kit, the spacer for wire wheels is much smaller and the 
normal
spacer does not fit the wire wheel hub.
For this I machined  a new spacer from a large piece of alloy I had and
Bingo it works.

All I can say is that I love the wire wheel look, with those large 
chrome
hub nuts and so do many others.

Now if anyone should have a new old stock hub nut spanner I would be
interested in it.

David

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>   1. Re:  Wire wheels (Jane Gould)
>   2. Re:  P6 Wire Wheels - A (long) Australian Story (gerald miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:03:39 +0100
> From: "Jane Gould" <janeyg at ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wire wheels
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> Hi Rover netters
>
> For those who may be interested I have several NEW rear splines for 
> the P6
> ( £50 each ) , and I can get new front splines made for about £250 
> each,
>
> Colin Gould
> Kingsdown Garage
> England
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:21 AM
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Wire wheels
>
>
> They were exported to here.
> My TC is a TC SF but the splines died on a rear hub so it now has 
> steel
> wheels.
>
> PVS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Dirk Burrowes
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:17 pm
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Wire wheels
>
>
> I am glad to hear that someone else likes the wire wheels Rover 
> released for
> only 2 years 67 and 68 as an upgrade to the steel wheel option in the 
> UK.
> As far as I know the option was only available in the UK so none where
> exported to the US or Down under. I guess they where not that popular
>
> I purchased a set last year and hope to refurbish them and install 
> them on
> my 68 TC they are very cool.
>
> To follow up on the freewheel discussion I can't wait to try one out 
> it I
> guess it is like a roller coaster ride just with consequences.
>
> Dirk
>
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>   1. Re:  1951 Rover P4 Cyclops (Hank and Sally Manwell)
>   2. Re:  SD1 and Jensen wheels (sspmilr at netzero.net)
>   3.  Re: NADA TC (Glen Wilson)
>   4. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Jim Cumberland)
>   5. Re:  sign off (Eric Russell)
>   6. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Eric Russell)
>   7. RE:  Re: NADA TC (Paul Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:08:19 -0400
> From: "Hank and Sally Manwell" <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> Yes, the freewheel has some scary features - and an added one for 
> absent
> minded people (like me).  I remember seeing a brand new SAAB 
> w/freewheel
> that had been out on a test drive from the dealer in Salida, Colorado. 
> It
> was driven to the top of Monarch Pass, 11,000 or so feet, and parked 
> at the
> observation center - and left in gear.  As soon as the driver walked 
> away
> from it, it rolled off the edge and found a tree a few hundred feet 
> down the
>
> mountain and hit dead center condensing the grill into the dashboard.
>
> With that memory I was never willing to use the freewheel either in my 
> SAAB
> or the various Freewheeling Rovers we had.  I ran down the street as 
> fast as
>
> I could once to catch my Father's Rover 90 after my wife left it only 
> in
> gear at the curb in front of the house.
>
> We do have a lot of P4 parts around here in Central New York including 
> doors
>
> with trim (same as cyclops, I think) and hoods (which I think are 
> somewhat
> different in the front than 1952 and later cars.
>
> And we've got a solid 1960 100 project car that's up for grabs.
>
> Hank
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> To: "Steve Smith" <ltsmiths at peoplepc.com>; <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> One feature of the freewheel is quite "memorable" to me...
>>
>> I found myself headed down a long hill in the 1953 P4 75 that I had 
>> over
>> 20 years ago with freewheel engaged and a stop sign and crossroad at 
>> the
>> bottom of the hill.  The drum brakes had faded by the bottom of hill 
>> and
>> it was fortunate that the road I was on merged into the road at the 
>> bottom
>
>> (rather than meeting at right angles) and that there wasn't much 
>> traffic
>> around.
>>
>> The moral of the story is that the same feature that lets the car 
>> coast
>> downhill with the engine at idle also gives no engine braking on a 
>> steep
>> downhill.  In the wrong circumstances its dangerous, but the 
>> clutchless up
>
>> shifts are fun and its economical and quieter to let the engine rev's 
>> die
>> down to idle on a long drive with gentle downhill stretches along the 
>> way.
>> Similarly, its not a good idea to leave a Rover parked in freewheel 
>> with
>> its nose aimed downhill -- my father has a story related to this.
>>
>> There are only one or two restored Cyclops' (what's the plural?) in 
>> North
>> America, but its hard to say what the restored value would be.  There 
>> are
>> probably at least another five to ten un-restored Cyclops in North 
>> America
>
>> including a pretty complete parts car in Maine.  New parts are 
>> readily
>> available from England and there are a few collections of used early 
>> P4
>> parts on this side of the Atlantic too.  I have some mid '50's parts 
>> and
>> some are useable on early '50's cars.
>> James Taylor's book "Classic Rovers 1945 - 1986" says that 2,542 LHD
>> export P4's were made in 1951 and does not show separate export 
>> numbers
>> for 1950.  I don't know what proportion would have come to the US 
>> market;
>> maybe one of the P4 books has more specific info.
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:23:25 GMT
> From: "sspmilr at netzero.net" <sspmilr at netzero.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] SD1 and Jensen wheels
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Hi Rudiger:
>
> Very enjoyable Rover site!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Peter Miller
> Arlington, Wa.
> USA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0400
> From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
>> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars 
>> down
>> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer 
>> them to
>> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen 
>> a
>> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while 
>> I,m
>> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.
>
> David,
>
> Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC 
> for
> sale
> by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
> Magstar
> wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here,
> although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage 
> still in
>
> the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any 
> time,
> day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)
>
> I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might 
> be
> one
> or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.
>
> I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, 
> but
> there
> really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never 
> heard
> of
> the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do 
> know
> of
> the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 
> 4WD
> vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own 
> Triumphs
>
> and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is.
>
> Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
> number
> pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at 
> how
> many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over 
> here.
> In
> spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. 
> Almost all
>
> of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but 
> they are
>
> always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate 
> Rovers
> have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in 
> garages and
> barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of 
> one
> P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is 
> that
> Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting 
> enough that
>
> people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore 
> them.
>
> Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the 
> USA as
>
> you can tell from reading the Rovernet.
>
> Glen
>
>
>>
>> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
>> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
>> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
>> >
>> > David,
>> >
>> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain 
>> > steel
>>
>> wheels
>>
>> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
>> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales 
>> > brochure
>>
>> and
>>
>> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
>> >
>> > I've got scans of the brochure at
>> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
>> > --
>> > Glen Wilson
>> > http://stores.ebay.com/EasyAuctionServicesPA
>> > A bit of this, a bit of that...
>> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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>
> I'vr got a set of the TC wires - bought in the UK last year - but have 
> not
> fitted them to the car because the nuts got lost in transit. 
> Fortunately
> another set has turned up in the UK.  I may just fit them for shows . 
> . . .
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:49:48 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
>
> On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
>> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars 
>> down
>> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer 
>> them to
>> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen 
>> a
>> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while 
>> I,m
>> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.
>
> David,
>
> Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC 
> for
> sale
> by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
> Magstar
> wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here,
> although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage 
> still in
>
> the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any 
> time,
> day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)
>
> I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might 
> be
> one
> or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.
>
> I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, 
> but
> there
> really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never 
> heard
> of
> the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do 
> know
> of
> the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 
> 4WD
> vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own 
> Triumphs
>
> and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is.
>
> Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
> number
> pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at 
> how
> many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over 
> here.
> In
> spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. 
> Almost all
>
> of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but 
> they are
>
> always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate 
> Rovers
> have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in 
> garages and
> barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of 
> one
> P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is 
> that
> Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting 
> enough that
>
> people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore 
> them.
>
> Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the 
> USA as
>
> you can tell from reading the Rovernet.
>
> Glen
>
>
>>
>> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
>> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
>> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
>> >
>> > David,
>> >
>> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain 
>> > steel
>>
>> wheels
>>
>> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
>> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales 
>> > brochure
>>
>> and
>>
>> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
>> >
>> > I've got scans of the brochure at
>> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
>> > --
>> > Glen Wilson
>> > http://stores.ebay.com/EasyAuctionServicesPA
>> > A bit of this, a bit of that...
>> >
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> -- 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] sign off
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Soon, Ben, soon......
> I am trying to pry some more pictures from Ben to
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> wink,....saaaay no mo'r....)
>
> Eric
>
>
> --- Ben Rodgers <irishrover at netscape.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks
>>             The above heading, seemed to be very
>> suitable for this
>> message!!! I have finally reached the difficult
>> decision to sell my Rover,
>> Its a 1967 Rover P5 Mk 3  4sp o/d  in good
>> condition, and located on Prince
>> Edward Island Canada. It is on the road and very
>> reliable, I'm open to
>> offers. Please contact me at my email address if you
>> wish further details.
>> irishrover at netscape.ca  There is probably a photo on
>> the RCOC web site.
>>                                    Regards  Ben
>>
>> FREDERICK  (BEN) RODGERS
>> born in Belfast, Northern Ireland,
>> Author of "lily and me" a great book and a great
>> read .
>> Order on line at amazon.com. Book #
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>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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>
>
> --- Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net> wrote:
>
> <MAJOR SNIP>
> Almost all
>> of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive
>> restoration, but they are always popping up. Over
> the years, people in the USA who appreciate Rovers
>> have tended to own several of them at one time and
>> kept them in garages and barns with the best
> intentions of restoring them. When you get word of one
> P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site.
> ((Take Ted Holman for isntance ...........))  ROFLMHO
>
>
> Eric
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:25:01 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
> To: "Jim Cumberland" <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>,
> <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID:
> <FBD1E865E6916B4B958ADFD21F42830C0FC698 at corpexch1.corp.local>
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>
> The proper wire wheels with a single decagonal nut?
> Or the American pseudos?
>
> PVS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Jim Cumberland
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 1:14 am
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
>
>
> I'vr got a set of the TC wires - bought in the UK last year - but have 
> not
> fitted them to the car because the nuts got lost in transit. 
> Fortunately
> another set has turned up in the UK.  I may just fit them for shows . 
> . . .
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:49:48 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
>
> On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
>> Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA cars 
>> down
>> here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer 
>> them to
>> the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen 
>> a
>> picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And while 
>> I,m
>> asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.
>
> David,
>
> Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC 
> for
> sale
> by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that had the
> Magstar
> wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare over here,
> although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his garage 
> still in
>
> the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any 
> time,
> day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)
>
> I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there might 
> be
> one
> or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over here.
>
> I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, 
> but
> there
> really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have never 
> heard
> of
> the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People do 
> know
> of
> the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it but 
> 4WD
> vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who own 
> Triumphs
>
> and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is.
>
> Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a small
> number
> pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always amazed at 
> how
> many still survive since they are no well known or sought after over 
> here.
> In
> spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month. 
> Almost all
>
> of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but 
> they are
>
> always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate 
> Rovers
> have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in 
> garages and
> barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get word of 
> one
> P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general impression is 
> that
> Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting 
> enough that
>
> people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore 
> them.
>
> Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the 
> USA as
>
> you can tell from reading the Rovernet.
>
> Glen
>
>
>>
>> > On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
>> > >  the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
>> > > compulsory on TCs in it)
>> >
>> > David,
>> >
>> > Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain 
>> > steel
>>
>> wheels
>>
>> > and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
>> > experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales 
>> > brochure
>>
>> and
>>
>> > in Taylor's book (p. 84).
>> >
>> > I've got scans of the brochure at
>> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
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> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:54:53 +1200
> From: gerald miller <geraldmiller at clear.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Wire Wheels - A (long) Australian
> Story
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> Hello Drew
> Thought I would add a note to your experiences with your dads P6
> I bought a p6b new from a Julian Barber ,salesman Faulls .Subiaco 
> Perth in
> 72 .[ is this the same guy you mentioned ]  I was 19 at the time and 
> worked
> in Tom Price Iron Ore ,so had a earned a good  lump of money to blow 
> on a
> car .
> I was going for a 230 Mercedes but loved the Rover looks a little 
> more.
> I ordered factory air con ,tinted windows ,M-tex red upholstery 
> ,almond
> paint, touring boot kit and waited 3 months for shippng out from UK .
> Its first run was down to Albany to "run the V8 in" . Got there just 
> in time
> to see the last whale come in for processing at the rendering yards
> .Something I'll never forget.
> The P6 - XBA 685 went back to Tom Price for a year to see out my 
> contract
> and then I shipped her home to NZ .
> I still have her and she looks as the day I bought her -mint and 
> original .
> She comes out for picnics and show-offs and is still a pleasure to 
> drive
> cheers
> Gerald
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Egginton" <drew at pitstop.net.au>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Wire Wheels - A (long) Australian 
> Story
>
>
>>I can confirm that a few TCs with wire wheels did come to Australia 
>>with
>>wire wheels.
>>
>> My father has pretty much always been a Rover man and owned what was
>> marketed here as a 2000TC "Special Features". He used to know the 
>> salesman
>> John Julian at Faulls (the West Aust agents) quite well, John even
>> supplying a white P5 Coupé as a wedding car to go with my father's P5
>> Saloon in January 1968. Interestingly,  Dad bought his P5 from my 
>> Mum's
>> uncle before he had met her!
>>
>> Anyway, Dad traded his P5 in when the salesman advised him a special,
>> near-new P6 was coming up for sale. He told Dad that there were only 
>> three
>> of these in WA which differed from the standard car in that they had 
>> wire
>> wheels, the faux-wood steering wheel and real wood gearknob, thin
>> stainless rubbing strips along the side of the car and in the case of 
>> his
>> white example, blue flashes of paint behind the TC badges, blue 
>> painted
>> rear roof pillar panels and "Buffalo" leather upholstery in a dark
>> chocolate brown colour. I'm pretty sure the white/bluecolour 
>> combination
>> was offered on NADA cars as I'm sure I saw it in a Road & Track road 
>> test
>> or one of my brochures.
>>
>> During the time he owned the car, registered "UXB-271" he was a 
>> teacher
>> stationed down at Albany on the south coast of WA, some 250 miles 
>> south of
>> the capital, Perth. My folks used to come up to Perth for the weekend
>> every fortnight and in the time (1968-1970) they owned the car it 
>> never
>> let them down.
>>
>> My impending birth (April 1970) and with it the need to carry an 
>> extra
>> bassinet (who'd heard of child seats?) forced them to sell the P6 for 
>> a
>> bigger car and so it was back to a P5, a 1964 Coupé "UNT-731". We're 
>> not
>> totally sure what happened to UXB, although we believe it was later
>> wrecked in Geraldton (250-odd miles north of Perth) and another one 
>> of the
>> specials was parted out after being crashed in Perth in the 
>> mid-1970s.
>> Later, in the early 1990s a young member joined the local club with a 
>> nice
>> dark green "Special Features" mock-up (it had an SC chassis number) 
>> and a
>> year or so later he managed to also buy a local red TC with wire 
>> wheels in
>> Perth which had been reupholstered with houndstooth cloth! I remember 
>> him
>> having lots of troubles with splines and flat tyres, but he was onlu 
>> about
>> 18 years of age!
>>
>> Subsequently, I believe a brilliant local restorer (and WAROC member)
>> still has a set of  wire wheels for a rainy day, one member has a set
>> which he was using on a 1969 3500 until quite recently, a former 
>> WAROC
>> president (now living in California) has a local 1972 3500 with 
>> wires.
>> Finally, the foundation WAROC president contacted me out of the blue 
>> a few
>> weeks back with another red TC with wires! An impecunious owner 
>> decided to
>> sell it in Kalgoorlie, WA c.1986 after breaking the windsreen after
>> crossing the Nullabor (a very long, cross-country Australian drive). 
>> It
>> quickly changed hands again and has been sitting in a shed for 20 
>> years.
>> How many sets is that?
>>
>> Rove On!
>>
>> Andrew Egginton
>> WAROC
>>
>> PS - (if anyone has made it this far!) Dad traded UNT-731 at Faulls 
>> in
>> September 1975 on a 1970 3500 which my parents still own. It ended up 
>> with
>> a elderly gentleman and I saw it from time to time over the years. I 
>> kept
>> in contact and was offered first refusal, but late last year when the
>> owner was "retired" to an aged-care facility the family gave the car 
>> to
>> his mechanic to dispose of. A club member went and saw it and 
>> purchased it
>> as a parts car for his P5B and it wasn't until a former Faulls 
>> mechanic
>> (another former WAROC president!!) told me about car that I 
>> re-discovered
>> it. Timing was everything as the new owner of this grand old lady 
>> (now
>> showing the parking scars from a 90 year old and  plenty of rust) was 
>> in
>> the process of deciding whether to pay the registration or not. 
>> Luckily he
>> was happy to sell and it's now mine! I've done about 500 trouble-free
>> miles since February in the first car I ever travelled in.
>>
>> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>>
>>>I am glad to hear that someone else likes the wire wheels Rover 
>>>released
>>>for
>>>only 2 years 67 and 68 as an upgrade to the steel wheel option in the 
>>>UK.
>>>As far as I know the option was only available in the UK so none 
>>>where
>>>exported to the US or Down under. I guess they where not that popular
>>>
>>>I purchased a set last year and hope to refurbish them and install 
>>>them on
>>>my 68 TC they are very cool.
>>>
>>>To follow up on the freewheel discussion I can't wait to try one out 
>>>it I
>>>guess it is like a roller coaster ride just with consequences.
>>>
>>>Dirk
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>>>[ROVERNET-UK]
>>>
>>>Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re:  1951 Rover P4 Cyclops (Hank and Sally Manwell)
>>>   2. Re:  SD1 and Jensen wheels (sspmilr at netzero.net)
>>>   3.  Re: NADA TC (Glen Wilson)
>>>   4. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Jim Cumberland)
>>>   5. Re:  sign off (Eric Russell)
>>>   6. Re:  Re: NADA TC (Eric Russell)
>>>   7. RE:  Re: NADA TC (Paul Smith)
>>>
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>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:08:19 -0400
>>>From: "Hank and Sally Manwell" <hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu>
>>>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops
>>>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>Message-ID: <003e01c6a4f3$7cb12470$d58a0fce at c6n7b7>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>>>
>>>Yes, the freewheel has some scary features - and an added one for 
>>>absent
>>>minded people (like me).  I remember seeing a brand new SAAB 
>>>w/freewheel
>>>that had been out on a test drive from the dealer in Salida, 
>>>Colorado.  It
>>>was driven to the top of Monarch Pass, 11,000 or so feet, and parked 
>>>at
>>>the observation center - and left in gear.  As soon as the driver 
>>>walked
>>>away from it, it rolled off the edge and found a tree a few hundred 
>>>feet
>>>down the
>>>
>>>mountain and hit dead center condensing the grill into the dashboard.
>>>
>>>With that memory I was never willing to use the freewheel either in 
>>>my
>>>SAAB or the various Freewheeling Rovers we had.  I ran down the 
>>>street as
>>>fast as
>>>
>>>I could once to catch my Father's Rover 90 after my wife left it only 
>>>in
>>>gear at the curb in front of the house.
>>>
>>>We do have a lot of P4 parts around here in Central New York 
>>>including
>>>doors
>>>
>>>with trim (same as cyclops, I think) and hoods (which I think are 
>>>somewhat
>>>different in the front than 1952 and later cars.
>>>
>>>And we've got a solid 1960 100 project car that's up for grabs.
>>>
>>>Hank
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
>>>To: "Steve Smith" <ltsmiths at peoplepc.com>; 
>>><rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:10 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 1951 Rover P4 Cyclops
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Steve,
>>>>
>>>>One feature of the freewheel is quite "memorable" to me...
>>>>
>>>>I found myself headed down a long hill in the 1953 P4 75 that I had 
>>>>over
>>>>20 years ago with freewheel engaged and a stop sign and crossroad at 
>>>>the
>>>>bottom of the hill.  The drum brakes had faded by the bottom of hill 
>>>>and
>>>>it was fortunate that the road I was on merged into the road at the
>>>>bottom
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>(rather than meeting at right angles) and that there wasn't much 
>>>>traffic
>>>>around.
>>>>
>>>>The moral of the story is that the same feature that lets the car 
>>>>coast
>>>>downhill with the engine at idle also gives no engine braking on a 
>>>>steep
>>>>downhill.  In the wrong circumstances its dangerous, but the 
>>>>clutchless
>>>>up
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>shifts are fun and its economical and quieter to let the engine 
>>>>rev's die
>>>>down to idle on a long drive with gentle downhill stretches along 
>>>>the
>>>>way.
>>>>Similarly, its not a good idea to leave a Rover parked in freewheel 
>>>>with
>>>>its nose aimed downhill -- my father has a story related to this.
>>>>
>>>>There are only one or two restored Cyclops' (what's the plural?) in 
>>>>North
>>>>America, but its hard to say what the restored value would be. 
>>>>There are
>>>>probably at least another five to ten un-restored Cyclops in North
>>>>America
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>including a pretty complete parts car in Maine.  New parts are 
>>>>readily
>>>>available from England and there are a few collections of used early 
>>>>P4
>>>>parts on this side of the Atlantic too.  I have some mid '50's parts 
>>>>and
>>>>some are useable on early '50's cars.
>>>>James Taylor's book "Classic Rovers 1945 - 1986" says that 2,542 LHD
>>>>export P4's were made in 1951 and does not show separate export 
>>>>numbers
>>>>for 1950.  I don't know what proportion would have come to the US 
>>>>market;
>>>>maybe one of the P4 books has more specific info.
>>>>
>>>>--Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 2
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:23:25 GMT
>>>From: "sspmilr at netzero.net" <sspmilr at netzero.net>
>>>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] SD1 and Jensen wheels
>>>To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
>>>Message-ID: <20060711.072427.19107.394030 at webmail50.lax.untd.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>>Hi Rudiger:
>>>
>>>Very enjoyable Rover site!
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>
>>>Peter Miller
>>>Arlington, Wa.
>>>USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Message: 3
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:49:48 -0400
>>>From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>>>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: NADA TC
>>>To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
>>>Message-ID: <200607111049.49000.glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>On Tuesday 11 July 2006 09:57, David Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>Glen,thanks for that.Sorry,I,ve been misled,the three or so NADA 
>>>>cars
>>>>down
>>>>here all have them so it helped my assumption.I ,personally prefer 
>>>>them
>>>>to
>>>>the wire wheel option,(I think that's an age thing.)I had never seen 
>>>>a
>>>>picture of the magstar wheel ,are there many of those about?And 
>>>>while I,m
>>>>asking how many P6s are left in North America?   Cheers,David.
>>>>
>>>
>>>David,
>>>
>>>Those rostyles do look nice on the car. There was actually an NADA TC 
>>>for
>>>sale by a towing company in California a couple of months ago that 
>>>had the
>>>Magstar wheels on it for about $900. Magstar wheels are pretty rare 
>>>over
>>>here, although Steve Manwell has six complete sets of these in his 
>>>garage
>>>still in
>>>
>>>the original Rover packaging. You can contact him at 555-555-5555 any
>>>time, day or night. (ONLY JOKING...)
>>>
>>>I have never seen a P6 in the States with wire wheels, but there 
>>>might be
>>>one or two. I'm not aware that they were offered as an option over 
>>>here.
>>>
>>>I have no accurate statistic for the number of P6s left in the USA, 
>>>but
>>>there really are quite a number of them. Most people in the USA have 
>>>never
>>>heard
>>>of the Rover Company and the saloons or sedans they sold here. People 
>>>do
>>>know
>>>of the Land Rover brand but no one ever associates anything with it 
>>>but
>>>4WD vehicles. Even many of your typical British car enthusiasts who 
>>>own
>>>Triumphs
>>>
>>>and MGs seem to have no idea what a Rover is.
>>>Rover never made it big in the USA, but they seem to have sold a 
>>>small
>>>number pretty consistently over the years. Personally, I am always 
>>>amazed
>>>at how many still survive since they are no well known or sought 
>>>after
>>>over here.
>>>In spite of this, a few more cars rise out of obscurity every month.
>>>Almost all
>>>
>>>of them are P6s, and most are in need of extensive restoration, but 
>>>they
>>>are
>>>
>>>always popping up. Over the years, people in the USA who appreciate 
>>>Rovers
>>>have tended to own several of them at one time and kept them in 
>>>garages
>>>and barns with the best intentions of restoring them. When you get 
>>>word of
>>>one P6, there are often 3-5 of them at the site. My general 
>>>impression is
>>>that Rovers are generally likeable cars and they are just interesting
>>>enough that
>>>
>>>people can't bear to junk them even if it isn't economical to restore
>>>them.
>>>Of course, there are also quite a number of really nice Rovers in the 
>>>USA
>>>as
>>>
>>>you can tell from reading the Rovernet.
>>>
>>>Glen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>On Tuesday 11 July 2006 07:47, David Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the P6,Rostyle equipped P6s(a rare option outside N.A.D.A. but
>>>>>>compulsory on TCs in it)
>>>>>>
>>>>>David,
>>>>>
>>>>>Many (probably most) TC's in  the USA were bought with the plain 
>>>>>steel
>>>>>
>>>>wheels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>and wheel covers. The fancy wheels were an option. I know this from
>>>>>experience with TCs over here, but it's also clear in the sales 
>>>>>brochure
>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>in Taylor's book (p. 84).
>>>>>
>>>>>I've got scans of the brochure at
>>>>>http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/rovercar/nadatc/nada.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Glen
>>>>>
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