R: [ROVERNET - UK] And now, let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY CRAPPY BRAKES??, and other brakes

Thu Nov 29 11:02:22 GMT 2007

Ray,
       I wouldn't attempt to do them it situ without a pit. Undo the diff and drop it down. Do everything you have to do in the comfort of your garage or being Oz in the sunshine :)  off the car then lift back up. Prop, drivershaft and mounting bolts are straightforward enough to undo, rear hose and h/brake cable can be a bit of a pain if crudded up with rust etc, the only pain left is bleeding on reassembly.

Alan Francis (partviking)

----- Original Message ----
From: Ray Wilkins <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 November, 2007 10:45:37 AM
Subject: RE: R: [ROVERNET - UK] And now, let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY CRAPPY BRAKES??, and other brakes

It would seem to me that the crux of Alan's email is "with a pit or a lift"
and "with full facilities". The part that gets me is the lying on the back
with the head raised slightly and straining the neck. Apart from that it's
all a breeze! But then again it all adds up to the enjoyment and who wants
to work on a car where every job is easy? Is there such a car? I'd like to
see that.

Ray Wilkins

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
[mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com] On Behalf Of JULIET KEILER
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 9:01 PM
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Subject: Re: R: [ROVERNET - UK] And now, let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY
CRAPPY BRAKES??, and other brakes

I think it's iportant to remember that the P6 was heavily promoted on
safety. Access panels under or just in front of the fuel tank may well of
compromised this safety and as has already been said with a pit or a lift
the job is awkward but hardly difficult. In fact with full facilites it's
easier to drop the diff. In these days where you have to remove bumpers to
change headlights I think the P6 IS very DIY friendly and once you have
mastered the technique of each task not bad at at all. Yes some jobs ARE a
pain but overall I think it's a resonably easy car to work on. 

Alan Francis (partviking)

----- Original Message ----
From: Ruotolo Gianluca (MERCATO STAFF) <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it>
To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Sent: Thursday, 29 November, 2007 9:29:02 AM
Subject: R: [ROVERNET - UK] And now, let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY CRAPPY
BRAKES??, and other brakes

About contemporary ( p6 ) cars, My Alfa Romeo Giulia Super ( 1963 - 1975,
then Nuova Super) has 4 disc brakes, but rear ones were external so no
problem.
The only thing was that the hand brake system was not the best possible, so
if you live in a hilly town - e.g. trieste - it must be well regulated, or
you' ve to choose a good park.
About rover p6 brakes, I was told that Aston Martins - never owned one - had
this access panel to serve inboard disc brakes.
I'm not sure of which one.

Best regards, Gianluca.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
[mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com] Per conto di Warwick Brooks
Inviato: giovedì 29 novembre 2007 5.11
A: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Oggetto: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] And now,let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY CRAPPY
BRAKES??.

And compare that with the aforementioned 1970s Peugeots, for example.

Unplug the sensor wires, remove the pad pins, lift out the pads, rotate the
pistons a 1/4 turn using a short length of square-section bar, press them
back into the calliper, rotate them back again, drop in the new pads, put
the pins back, plug in the wires.

5 minutes if you don't count jacking up the car and removing the wheel.

That leaves the rest of the weekend free to try to figure out how to remove
the fuel pump from the Range Rover without removing the towbar and the
petrol tank; and wondering why BL decided not to put an access plate in the
rear floor until a later model.

Regards,
Warwick.

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
[mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com] On Behalf Of phing
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2007 2:57 PM
To: agale at iinet.net.au; rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] And now,let's upset P6 lovers..REALLY CRAPPY
BRAKES??.

HI
I've yet to plumb the depths of RVW's rear brakes . However I know they
can't possibly be as bad as those on an E type Jaguar . 
These combine Mr Girling's most Mickey Mouse design and crappulous execution
with total in accesibility from above , below and 
either side .It took me 3 days to change the parking brake pads and rebuild
the " self adjusting " mechanism. Yes , I know they 
shouldn't wear since they are only used when the disc is at rest , but the
friction material  came unbonded and fell off .!!!However 
the E type is still looked on as THE British car of all time, mostly by
people who have never owned a 40 year old E type !! Cheers  Patrick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Gale" <agale at iinet.net.au>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] And now, let's upset P6 lovers...

Look who's gone into the cupboad and got out their best anoraks!!

Considering the relative rarity of the job, the fact that they work well and
now have been doing so for several decades and how 
lying on one's back under the car is perhaps one of the last real escapes a
family man has left over the weekend ...

Is this all we have to whinge about?

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