[ROVERNET - UK] P6 master cylinder=Jaguar e type ??
Glen Wilson
rovercar at comcast.net
Sun Mar 9 23:21:57 GMT 2008
Patrick,
Are you looking for an off the shelf master cylinder that can be
overnighted to you? You're just buying trouble if you start
substituting and adapting Jaguar parts. P6 master cylinder cores are not
that hard to come buy. Someone on the Rovernet can supply a core, and
Dermot suggested that he could have one resleeved by Apple Hydraulics.
Ruth may have one sitting on the shelf at ABC in Vancouver? Have you
spoken with her? Pierre may be able to source you one in the UK. Even if
Pierre ships one across the ocean to you, you will probably save time,
money, and frustration compared to substituting a Jaguar MC that doesn't
match the Rover design specs. The P6 braking system is just too finicky
to just start throwing non-Rover parts at it. You'll be pulling your
hair out and banging your head against the wall for weeks and probably
end up with Rover-spec parts in the end, anway. If this car were an MGB
or a '57 Chevy, you would have lots of options, and we would have heard
about them all on the Rovernet. In ten years or more of reading Rovernet
messages, I can't recall a single instance where anyone resolved their
P6 brake problems in any other manner than by obtaining the proper parts
and adjusting them per factory specs.
There aren't a lot of Jaguars out there with Rover master cylinders in
them The reverse is also true, and the reason is the same in both cases.
Glen
wrote:
> Woops
> March hares are off and running .in all directions . Back to my basic
> question . I have a busted mastercylinder casting , so I'm not looking
> for a rebuild kit, the question of mixing P6 and e type bits does not
> arise . I need a new P6y casting or a substitute master cylinder .
> Can any one tell me if either a complete Series 1/2 6 cylinder E
> type master cylinder, or the V12 unit can be substituted for a P6
> cylinder ?There are a ton of E type master cylinders floating around
> cyberspace , but no P6's have come to light
> Cheers
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 master cylinder=Jaguar e type ??
>
>
>> I did not check the part numbers, but I believe Series III V12 Etype,
>> 71-74 may be a different bore, and take a different kit Than series I
>> and II Etype, 1965-71. Otherwise, they look the same, and look the
>> same as Rover.You may be right about the white air valve. Suppliers
>> and rebuilders tend to consider series I,II and III Etype as
>> interchangeable. This was also used on 420 Jag saloon. I had a
>> customer who bought a new master cylinder for his SI Etype, and it
>> came with the wrong fittings, so I sold him correct fittings from one
>> of my cores. I have cores for Etype, Rover 3500S, and 2000 in stock,
>> and send them to Apple Hydraulics for rebuilding; speak to Lazar,
>> extension 4 on the phone. James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
>> jaguru at bellsouth.net
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phing" <phing at videotron.ca>
>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 11:27 AM
>> Subject: Fw: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 master cylinder=Jaguar e type ??
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>> Glen has set the E type and P6 mastercylinder hare running. The
>>> Girling part nos are the same for both mastercylinders with air
>>> valves . The only difference I can see is the brake pipe connections .
>>> Is Glen correct , does Girling have the same part numbers for two
>>> different items ? Is the air valve spec critical to the servo
>>> operation ?? Will Darth Vader trip and fall over R2D2 ??
>>> Cheers
>>> Patrick
>>> glen ciorect
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted a P6 master cylinder
>>>
>>>
>>>> phing wrote:
>>>>> Brooks
>>>>> Thanks, I know Mario, he sold me a king's ransom of E type Jag
>>>>> parts last year . Seems like the P6 master cylinder is the same as
>>>>> the E type's. Back to telephone number parts prices !
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> Careful, Patrick. We've been through that before. I believe that
>>>> the air check valve in the Jag was different even though it had the
>>>> same part number. Get the details from someone on the Rovernet with
>>>> a better memory than mine.
>>>>
>>>> Glen (not joking)
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooks" <restore at nbnet.nb.ca>
>>>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:29 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted a P6 master cylinder
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You may be familiar wit Mario Bois in monteral...they service
>>>>>> P6's and jags...I might be able to find more info on them...they
>>>>>> are very likely to have what you need or source it locally for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phing" <phing at videotron.ca>
>>>>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted a P6 master cylinder
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glen Thanks , but I only need a master cylinder , not a complete
>>>>>>> car delivered to Montreal
>>>>>>> Cheers Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson"
>>>>>>> <rovercar at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:51 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Wanted a P6 master cylinder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> phing wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>> I finally removed my P6 master cylinder today . The bottom
>>>>>>>>> fixing lug had been broken of and " repaired " with epoxy .
>>>>>>>>> The fixing bolt had become coated with epoxy hich formed a
>>>>>>>>> super Locktite seal. Bodgers Bros International Inc , who had
>>>>>>>>> their oily paws all over my P3 have obviously graduated to P6s
>>>>>>>>> Does any one have a spare P6 3500S twin brake master cylinder
>>>>>>>>> body ,in good shape , or anything up to a fully rebuilt unit
>>>>>>>>> with an air valve, sitting on the shelf in their garage ??
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have one in my garage, but I can supply one for $398
>>>>>>>> plus $145 for shipping. If you're still in Canada, shipping
>>>>>>>> will be slightly higher.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (humor mode engaged)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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