[ROVERNET - UK] 3500S specs for USA and Canada
David Sheuring
rovertcv8 at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 29 17:02:02 GMT 2008
Hi Glen
On the stalk issue...with the turn signal and horn,
they are reversed on the Crummy Blue Rover
Just thought I would throw that out to you....and oh,
I have a TC that had tinted windows and was NOT a A/C
equipped car.
I also know for a fact that there are diffenet wiring
harnesses for the TC and V8 as you can just look in
the manuals
David
--- Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> In the USA, they had to have those under-bumper turn
> indicators to be
> legal. That's the only reason they were put there in
> the first place.
> The TC's had them too, at least in the 1969
> brochure. Down here, it
> would have been illegal to sell them without those
> lights. Did Canada
> get a hodge-podge of parts because they had less
> specific laws than the
> United States? I can't say from down here, but we
> were all NADA. Was
> there a specific NADA wiring harness, or was there
> just one P6 harness
> with extra wires? Seems like some rewiring would be
> involved in deleting
> the under bumper lights.
>
> The bumpers of a 3500S are unique to the 3500S and
> so are the front
> wings to match them. If a 3500S was shipped with
> non-standard front
> bumpers, they would have to have been 2000TC bumpers
> which would mean
> the car had 2000TC front wings, as well. How could
> the factory send out
> a car like that?
>
> The brochure lists the tinted glass as a separate
> option. I suppose
> people without AC might also want tinted glass. It
> may or may not have
> been mandatory with AC, but the brochure doesn't say
> it was.
>
> What exactly do you mean about the steering wheel
> stalks and finishing
> trims in the boot? You have seen some 3500S's with
> foot dimmer
> switches and others with stalk dimmer switches. The
> 1969 2000TC manual
> says this: ""The directional indicators and horn
> are on the right side,
> the headlight flasher control on a stem to the left.
> The latter can be
> used to flash the high beams are either off or on
> low beam. The usual
> floor dimmer switch is also provided for changes of
> high and low beam."
> The left hand stalk could flash the high beams, but
> not switch them into
> an "on" mode.
>
> Even the May 1964 2000 Operator Manual states: "Foot
> dipper switch
> fitted to North American Dollar Area models."
> (There's the answer to
> another perennial question re NADA.) It also says
> that the "lift left
> lever to flash" function is only on NADA cars.
>
> So, back to the original question. Have you
> definitely seen 3500S's in
> Canada that don't have the dimmer footswitch on the
> floor? To me, it
> seems much more likely that such a car was modified
> by some owner than
> that it was manufactured that way at the factory.
> Even in 1964, NADA
> P6's had foot dimmers. Since ALL 3500S's in the USA
> and Canada were NADA
> cars, you would have to show me a 3500S without a
> foot dimmer or tell me
> that you are looking at one right now, for me to
> believe it.
>
> Is it possible that the car you are remembering was
> a TC and not a
> 3500S? Maybe a non-NADA LHD 2000 or 2000TC was
> imported into Canada by
> someone.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by finishing trims in the
> boot. All P6s had
> the cardboard "finishing" panels shown in the
> brochure. I know the 3500S
> had a carpeted trunk. If I picked up my 3500S at the
> dealership and
> there was no carpet in the trunk, they wouldn't get
> away with telling ME
> it was a "factory difference" or any other words to
> that effect! What a
> euphemism that would be for a major quality control
> mistake.
>
> I think that differences such as you describe are
> more likely to have
> been people messing with the cars some time during
> the past 35 years,
> not factory differences. If I saw a car with a
> non-NADA spec headlight
> dimmer circuit, I would check the VIN to see if it
> was ever intended to
> end up in North America.
>
> Glen
>
> Brooks wrote:
> > Glen...
> >
> > I know this Rover was sitting for quite a while on
> the holding area in
> > PQ I believe (Dad can confirm if I ask) and it was
> not a car that was
> > handled by any "Rover" dealers...it was sold only
> through british
> > leyland dealers at that time in Atlantic
> Canada....dealers would not
> > be apt to be changing steering wheel stalks or
> bumpers without turn
> > signals mounted beneath them...nor would they be
> removing finishing
> > trims in the boot to suit a customers needs...not
> something I can
> > believe.
> > The radio was indeed an option...and so was the
> air...I did forget
> > about that...however the windshield would probally
> be part of the air
> > conditioning package.
> > I know anything is possible...but let's face
> it...It is highly
> > unlikely that dealers would be interested in
> changing such
> > items...cosmetics perhaps...but steering stalks
> for turn signals and
> > removing foot dimmers...I don't think it's even a
> possibility. These
> > cars came over with factory differences and I see
> no proof to say
> > otherwise.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Wilson"
> <rovercar at comcast.net>
> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:55 AM
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] 3500S specs for USA and
> Canada
> >
> >
> >> Brooks wrote:
> >>> To my knowledge there were "NO" options
> available for the 3500S back
> >>> in 70-71 in Canada....My Father bought his
> "brand New" and that's
> >>> one thing I recall him telling people...this car
> came just like you
> >>> see it....the only choice he was able to make
> when he ordered the
> >>> car was the color.
> >>> I have had several 3500s Rovers and not one was
> exactly the same as
> >>> the other....There were factory differences
> ....and I suspect that
> >>> the pillars were indeed original and not an
> option....however how
> >>> many were released that way from the factory
> would be almost
> >>> impossible to know.
> >> I think there may easily have been DEALER
> differences, but I think
> >> that genuine "factory differences" were
> exceedingly rare, if they
> >> existed at all. I just don't think they put TC
> body panels on a 3500S
> >> and sent it on its way.
> >>
> >> The vinyl-covered sail panels were not standard
> or optional on the
> >> 3500S. They aren't in the brochure, dealer price
> lists, or
> >> replacement parts manual. According to James
> Taylor, the Federal
> >> 2000TC MkII and 3500S were in production
> concurrently for a few
> >> months at the end, so presumably the vinyl
> covered sail panels could
> >> have been ordered by the dealer and installed on
> a new 3500S, but you
> >> would have gone home with a couple of Tobacco
> Leak sail panels in
> >> your boot. Maybe the dealer ate the cost of the
> sail panels to sell
> >> the car.
> >>
> >> This question of what was standard and what was
> optional on the 3500S
> >> shouldn't be something that's open to question
> since it is clearly
> >> documented.
> >>
> >> I've never seen ANY documentation showing that
> the US and Canada
> >> 3500S's were anything but identical in
> specification and options. It
> >> might be hard to buy a car with air conditioning
> off the lot in
> >> Yellowknife, but that's not because the options
> or specifications
> >> differed between the two countries. Maybe there's
> some sort of dealer
> >> memorandum that came out of Burlington that says
> otherwise, but no
> >> one seems able to produce a copy of it.
> >>
> >> If Dennis' father's dealer only sold the car in
> one configuration,
> >> that was the dealers policy, not Rover Company
> policy. The glossy
> >> color brochures listed the optional and standard
> equipment. Maybe the
> >> dealer was keen on selling cars he already had in
> stock and reluctant
> >> to order cars he might get stuck with if the
> buyer changed his mind.
> >> Still, if anyone wanted a car with the optional
> extra-cost air
> >> conditioning, it would be sort of crazy for the
> dealer to refuse to
> >> sell it to him. Sounds more like the dealer was
> "optioning up" all of
> >> the cars he brought in. If this dealer was the
> only Rover dealer in
> >> New Brunswick, he could probably get away with
> whatever he wanted.
> >>
> >> There definitely were optional items listed in
> the brochures
> >> distributed in the United States and Canada. My
> brochure lists
> >> British Leyland offices in Leonia, New Jersey and
> Burlington,
> >> Ontario. So, there was one brochure and one
> specification for both
> >> countries.
> >>
> >> The options were:
> >>
> >> 1. Air Conditioning
> >> 2. Sundym Tinted Glass (separate option)
> >> 3. Electrically Heated Rear Window
> >> 4. Radio AM/FM
> >> 5. Roof Rack
> >>
> >> That's it.
> >>
> >> The boot-mounted spare was standard. No optional
> wheels are mentioned
> >> in the brochure as had been the case with the
> 2000TC, just pressed
> >> steel wheels with stainless steel wheel covers.
> All of the brochures,
> >> magazine ads and road tests show the standard
> wheel covers. Two
> >> exterior mirrors were standard. There was NO
> leather interior option.
> >> The steering wheel was leather-covered in all
> cars. Power windows,
> >> steering and brakes were standard.
> >>
> >> If anyone thinks that the above is not accurate,
> it would be
> >> fantastic to get documented proof that the
> factory documents I have
> >> are incomplete and were superseded by other
> documents that followed.
> >> I'd be happy to post them on the web so that
> people could see them.
> >>
> >> Glen
> >>
> >>
> >>
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