>
From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Nov  1 04:15:21 2008
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:15:21 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P5b Racing
Message-ID: <ca4.3c623e76.363d6a19@aol.com>

  

      Hi All,
               For the P5's 50th, check this out. She's heeling over like a 
big old Battle Ship. White walls and Rostyles are nice too.

     http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/page1.htm

      There is a whole bunch of other stuff there too.

       Regards,
                     MWJ.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Sat Nov  1 12:19:14 2008
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:19:14 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fun Contest for Christmas
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	<CC092C74173E44D69D40E62C445D247A@rw>
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Hi Folks
           The rovernet is quiet these days so I thought I'd try to liven it 
up with a contest (to do with cars mostly) Just go to my web page 
www.irishroversbooks.com and visit my blog to find the contest rules. The 
first correct answers to the six questions will win a allegedly fabulous 
prize!! This is just for fun.  I promise not to ask for your credit card or 
bank account number!!!
                                           regards  Ben (irishrover)
Visit our website and blog at
www.irishroversbooks.com 



From roverman2 at verizon.net  Sat Nov  1 16:34:16 2008
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
 was Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <000001c93bcf$b45a84f0$1d0f8ed0$@ca>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl>
	<000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0810311745240.24593@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us>
	<000001c93bcf$b45a84f0$1d0f8ed0$@ca>
Message-ID: <3FBCDD4D-8F8D-47CA-9770-02D6F18EC534@verizon.net>

Hi Group,

I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
brake fluid.

Dermot Harvey


On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Hi
> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
> British cars.
> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
> Lockheed
> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
> business.
> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
> brake
> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
> silicone fluid
> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
> and the
> MG Owners Club
>
> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
> trying to
> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
> standard N
> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>
> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
> 2008??] is
> the only safe fluid to use
> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
> modern brake
> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
> for their
> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
> the base
> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
> lovely
> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
> R the
> last castor oil based motor oil.
> Cheers
>  Patrick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of McArdle
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
> that matter
>
>
> Hi Rover people,
>
>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
> out very
> many messages.
>
>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
> have been
> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
> purchased
> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
> rights
> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
> Grattan Inc.
> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
> also a
> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
> Sooooo
> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>
>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
> were
> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
> rubber seals.
>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
> tends
> top soften and swell the British seals.
>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
> brake
> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
> water
> saturated and not saturated.
>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
> as it's
> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
> sold
> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
> There is
> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
> fluid
> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
> boils
> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
> either. What to do??
>
>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
> Change it
> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
> drive.
>
>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
> systems and
> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
> surface.
> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
> there!!
> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
> is in
> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
> because it
> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
> pedal feel
> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
> least every
> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
> darker the
> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
> and they
> seem to last forever.
>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
> British cars ever.
>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to  
> chat.
> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
> performance
> fluids, flushing etc.
>
> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>> Canton Auto
>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>> brakes
>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>> seems to
>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>> DON"T use
>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>> compatible
>>
>> Cheers  Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On
>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>> matter
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>> connect
> the
>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
> mastercyl...............and
>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>> slave
>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
>>  _____
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kkinard at att.net  Sat Nov  1 16:56:44 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position placard-P6,
	P6B
Message-ID: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>

Hi Netters,
Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card 
either original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems 
like I have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare 
tire" one.

Roverly,
Kent K.


From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 17:01:36 2008
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
	was Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <3FBCDD4D-8F8D-47CA-9770-02D6F18EC534@verizon.net>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl>	<000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0810311745240.24593@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us>	<000001c93bcf$b45a84f0$1d0f8ed0$@ca>
	<3FBCDD4D-8F8D-47CA-9770-02D6F18EC534@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <012f01c93c65$07faf320$17f0d960$@net>

Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?

AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
was Brakes for that matter

Hi Group,

I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
brake fluid.

Dermot Harvey


On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Hi
> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
> British cars.
> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
> Lockheed
> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
> business.
> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
> brake
> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
> silicone fluid
> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
> and the
> MG Owners Club
>
> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
> trying to
> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
> standard N
> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>
> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
> 2008??] is
> the only safe fluid to use
> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
> modern brake
> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
> for their
> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
> the base
> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
> lovely
> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
> R the
> last castor oil based motor oil.
> Cheers
>  Patrick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of McArdle
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
> that matter
>
>
> Hi Rover people,
>
>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
> out very
> many messages.
>
>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
> have been
> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
> purchased
> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
> rights
> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
> Grattan Inc.
> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
> also a
> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
> Sooooo
> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>
>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
> were
> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
> rubber seals.
>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
> tends
> top soften and swell the British seals.
>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
> brake
> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
> water
> saturated and not saturated.
>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
> as it's
> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
> sold
> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
> There is
> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
> fluid
> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
> boils
> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
> either. What to do??
>
>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
> Change it
> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
> drive.
>
>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
> systems and
> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
> surface.
> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
> there!!
> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
> is in
> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
> because it
> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
> pedal feel
> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
> least every
> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
> darker the
> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
> and they
> seem to last forever.
>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
> British cars ever.
>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to  
> chat.
> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
> performance
> fluids, flushing etc.
>
> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>> Canton Auto
>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>> brakes
>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>> seems to
>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>> DON"T use
>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>> compatible
>>
>> Cheers  Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On
>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>> matter
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>> connect
> the
>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
> mastercyl...............and
>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>> slave
>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
>>  _____
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rwacek at comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 17:15:15 2008
From: rwacek at comcast.net (rwacek at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:15:15 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Master Cylinder Reservoir Float
Message-ID: <110120082115.19935.490CC6E30000F8ED00004DDF2215551724050A0C0E999D@comcast.net>

Thanks for the tip on inserting a new cork in the assembly.

I've done that but kind of botched up the aluminum cylinder trying to disengage it. I mean it still serves the purpose but the net result is that the unit  functions only marginally better.

Perhaps someone has a working unit that they will sell me. Ruth gave me a Jag part number but I can't find it anywhere. A similar Jag part is over $100. 


From kkinard at att.net  Sat Nov  1 17:26:05 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:26:05 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
 was Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <012f01c93c65$07faf320$17f0d960$@net>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl>	<000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0810311745240.24593@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us>	<000001c93bcf$b45a84f0$1d0f8ed0$@ca>	<3FBCDD4D-8F8D-47CA-9770-02D6F18EC534@verizon.net>
	<012f01c93c65$07faf320$17f0d960$@net>
Message-ID: <490CC96D.4080004@att.net>

Hi Geff,
I order it from Moss.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Geff McCarthy wrote:
> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
> was Brakes for that matter
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
> brake fluid.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi
>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
>> British cars.
>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
>> Lockheed
>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
>> business.
>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
>> brake
>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
>> silicone fluid
>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
>> and the
>> MG Owners Club
>>
>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
>> trying to
>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
>> standard N
>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>
>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
>> 2008??] is
>> the only safe fluid to use
>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
>> modern brake
>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
>> for their
>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
>> the base
>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
>> lovely
>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
>> R the
>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>> Cheers
>>  Patrick.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of McArdle
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
>> that matter
>>
>>
>> Hi Rover people,
>>
>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
>> out very
>> many messages.
>>
>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
>> have been
>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
>> purchased
>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
>> rights
>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
>> Grattan Inc.
>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
>> also a
>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>> Sooooo
>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>
>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
>> were
>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
>> rubber seals.
>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
>> tends
>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
>> brake
>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
>> water
>> saturated and not saturated.
>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
>> as it's
>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
>> sold
>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
>> There is
>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
>> fluid
>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
>> boils
>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>> either. What to do??
>>
>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
>> Change it
>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
>> drive.
>>
>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
>> systems and
>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
>> surface.
>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
>> there!!
>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
>> is in
>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
>> because it
>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
>> pedal feel
>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
>> least every
>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
>> darker the
>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
>> and they
>> seem to last forever.
>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>> British cars ever.
>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to  
>> chat.
>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
>> performance
>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>
>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>>> Canton Auto
>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>>> brakes
>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>>> seems to
>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>>> DON"T use
>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>> compatible
>>>
>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>>>       
>> On
>>     
>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>>> matter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>>> connect
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>>>       
>> mastercyl...............and
>>     
>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>>> slave
>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bill Robertson
>>>
>>>  _____
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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From phing at videotron.ca  Sat Nov  1 17:42:16 2008
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake fluid queries
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Hi 
I just re read my last post, which is not 100% clear  . I gave up looking
for Castrol organic brake fluid in N America years ago . It was almost
impossible to find and cost more than a fine brandy ,if you could find it. 
 I have used standard US spec mineral brake fluid in British cars for the
last 25+ years with no ill effects .
 My Rover shop manual for the P6B 3500S specifies[ US] SAE J 1703 and US
Federal standard 116 fluid for both the brake and clutch hydraulics . I
would bet that these are both "mineral oil"[ actually derived from ethylene
glycol feed stock ] based and not vegetable oil  based . 
I have never understood the arguments about water absorbtion in Brake fluid
.Presumably water is absorbed from the air . The only fluid exposed to air
is the top layer of the fluid in the reservoir . The reservoir has a tiny
vent hole , so the fluid is not exposed to daily  variations in humidity .
The only air movement in and out of the fluid reservoir  is caused by the
changes in level of the fluid , which would act like a piston .On this basis
only a tiny mass of air goes in and out of the reservoir , carrying an even
smaller amount of water vapour. If there is 100% mass transfer of all the
water vapour into the top level of the reservoir , the water concentration
in the bulk of fluid in the reservoir is likely to be low. since brake fluid
is viscous and there  is little or no mixing in the reservoir .
There is no fluid flow through the brake system ;the same fluid simply moves
back and forth along the pipes , in and out of the calipers ,so how[ apart
from Brownian motion ?] does the water contaminated fluid migrate all the
way from the top of the reservoir ,through the  master cylinder , down the
pipes into the calipers , so that the water can boil out and cause mayhem ??
I had a devil of a job bleeding brake fluid from the reservoirs through the
pipes and calipers and out of  the bleed nipples when I was trying hard to
encourage fluid flow!! !!
I suspect that most cases of fluid side corrosion of brake components are
caused by sloppy handling of components and fluid ; or the use of
contaminated brake fluid recycled from filling and  bleeding the system.
I look forward to comments 
Cheers 
 Patrick 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:34 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
was Brakes for that matter

Hi Group,

I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
brake fluid.

Dermot Harvey


On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Hi
> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
> British cars.
> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
> Lockheed
> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
> business.
> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
> brake
> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
> silicone fluid
> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
> and the
> MG Owners Club
>
> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
> trying to
> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
> standard N
> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>
> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
> 2008??] is
> the only safe fluid to use
> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
> modern brake
> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
> for their
> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
> the base
> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
> lovely
> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
> R the
> last castor oil based motor oil.
> Cheers
>  Patrick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of McArdle
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
> that matter
>
>
> Hi Rover people,
>
>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
> out very
> many messages.
>
>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
> have been
> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
> purchased
> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
> rights
> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
> Grattan Inc.
> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
> also a
> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
> Sooooo
> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>
>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
> were
> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
> rubber seals.
>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
> tends
> top soften and swell the British seals.
>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
> brake
> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
> water
> saturated and not saturated.
>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
> as it's
> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
> sold
> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
> There is
> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
> fluid
> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
> boils
> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
> either. What to do??
>
>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
> Change it
> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
> drive.
>
>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
> systems and
> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
> surface.
> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
> there!!
> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
> is in
> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
> because it
> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
> pedal feel
> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
> least every
> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
> darker the
> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
> and they
> seem to last forever.
>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
> British cars ever.
>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to  
> chat.
> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
> performance
> fluids, flushing etc.
>
> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>> Canton Auto
>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>> brakes
>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>> seems to
>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>> DON"T use
>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>> compatible
>>
>> Cheers  Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On
>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>> matter
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>> connect
> the
>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
> mastercyl...............and
>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>> slave
>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
>>  _____
>>
>>
>
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From phing at videotron.ca  Sat Nov  1 17:58:36 2008
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:58:36 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
 was Brakes for that matter
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Hi 
I just went onto the SAE web site .SAE J 1703 , which is the fluid spec
specified by Rover for the P6B 3500S is written for brake components made
from SBR and EPDM rubbers . These are both SYNTHETIC rubbers and not natural
rubbers, So P6 Rovers were fitted with synthetic rubber brake seals etc
which are compatible with N American  standard brake fluids. Is any one
really using natural rubber in Brake components today ??? 
Cheers 
 Patrick 

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:26 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
was Brakes for that matter

Hi Geff,
I order it from Moss.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Geff McCarthy wrote:
> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On
> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
> was Brakes for that matter
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
> brake fluid.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi
>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
>> British cars.
>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
>> Lockheed
>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
>> business.
>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
>> brake
>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
>> silicone fluid
>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
>> and the
>> MG Owners Club
>>
>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
>> trying to
>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
>> standard N
>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>
>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
>> 2008??] is
>> the only safe fluid to use
>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
>> modern brake
>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
>> for their
>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
>> the base
>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
>> lovely
>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
>> R the
>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>> Cheers
>>  Patrick.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of McArdle
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
>> that matter
>>
>>
>> Hi Rover people,
>>
>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
>> out very
>> many messages.
>>
>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
>> have been
>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
>> purchased
>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
>> rights
>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
>> Grattan Inc.
>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
>> also a
>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>> Sooooo
>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>
>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
>> were
>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
>> rubber seals.
>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
>> tends
>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
>> brake
>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
>> water
>> saturated and not saturated.
>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
>> as it's
>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
>> sold
>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
>> There is
>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
>> fluid
>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
>> boils
>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>> either. What to do??
>>
>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
>> Change it
>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
>> drive.
>>
>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
>> systems and
>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
>> surface.
>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
>> there!!
>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
>> is in
>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
>> because it
>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
>> pedal feel
>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
>> least every
>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
>> darker the
>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
>> and they
>> seem to last forever.
>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>> British cars ever.
>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to  
>> chat.
>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
>> performance
>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>
>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>>> Canton Auto
>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>>> brakes
>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>>> seems to
>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>>> DON"T use
>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>> compatible
>>>
>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>>>       
>> On
>>     
>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>>> matter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>>> connect
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>>>       
>> mastercyl...............and
>>     
>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>>> slave
>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bill Robertson
>>>
>>>  _____
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> no-mail:
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From kkinard at att.net  Sat Nov  1 17:59:35 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:59:35 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fun Contest for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP20B07E6FCEC661D8B6F4F795230@phx.gbl>
References: <836506.62981.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<CC092C74173E44D69D40E62C445D247A@rw>
	<BLU0-SMTP20B07E6FCEC661D8B6F4F795230@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <490CD147.2060605@att.net>

Hi Ben,
I'll give everyone the easy part since its on your website.
1936 Hillman (probably a Minx). Photo taken in 1959.

Roverly,
Kent K.

BEN RODGERS wrote:
> Hi Folks
>           The rovernet is quiet these days so I thought I'd try to 
> liven it up with a contest (to do with cars mostly) Just go to my web 
> page www.irishroversbooks.com and visit my blog to find the contest 
> rules. The first correct answers to the six questions will win a 
> allegedly fabulous prize!! This is just for fun.  I promise not to ask 
> for your credit card or bank account number!!!
>                                           regards  Ben (irishrover)
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> www.irishroversbooks.com
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Sat Nov  1 18:19:22 2008
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:19:22 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fun Contest for Christmas
References: <836506.62981.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<CC092C74173E44D69D40E62C445D247A@rw><BLU0-SMTP20B07E6FCEC661D8B6F4F795230@phx.gbl>
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Hi Kent You are right of course with the three easy parts of the contest, 
but sorry you don't get half a allegedly fabulous prize
                                  Regards Ben.



 Visit our website and blog at
www.irishroversbooks.com 



From vern at inkspotco.com  Sat Nov  1 18:36:11 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:36:11 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
Message-ID: <0CB296D9-6E28-4A94-987C-3D1B4785B08D@inkspotco.com>

I just bought one of these on eBay, I'm sure they are being reproduced  
( or an ample stock of NOS has surfaced).

As to were they go, no idea, and i wished I knew. They have a square  
hole, which must be deliberate, so we are looking for something square  
in the boot.

Yours
Vern
On 1-Nov-08, at 1:56 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:

> Hi Netters,
> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card  
> either original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?   
> Seems like I have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the  
> "Spare tire" one.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 18:38:22 2008
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
	<0CB296D9-6E28-4A94-987C-3D1B4785B08D@inkspotco.com>
Message-ID: <66413.71641.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I also have one of those ebay ones.  I think they go on the  . . . . can't remember, but I think it's on the car - will have a look tomorrow. .. . . 




________________________________
From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 6:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position placard-P6, P6B

I just bought one of these on eBay, I'm sure they are being reproduced ( or an ample stock of NOS has surfaced).

As to were they go, no idea, and i wished I knew. They have a square hole, which must be deliberate, so we are looking for something square in the boot.

Yours
Vern
On 1-Nov-08, at 1:56 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:

> Hi Netters,
> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card either original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems like I have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Sat Nov  1 18:42:20 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:42:20 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <0CB296D9-6E28-4A94-987C-3D1B4785B08D@inkspotco.com>
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
	<0CB296D9-6E28-4A94-987C-3D1B4785B08D@inkspotco.com>
Message-ID: <24701B41-FA32-4BCD-9D32-F4A222796A6B@inkspotco.com>

Ken, I also dimly recall a website selling all manner of labels for P6  
and others, including the card. It will swim up to me eventually from  
my murky memory depths, I'll let you know.

Yours
Vern
On 1-Nov-08, at 3:36 PM, Vern Klukas wrote:

> I just bought one of these on eBay, I'm sure they are being  
> reproduced ( or an ample stock of NOS has surfaced).
>
> As to were they go, no idea, and i wished I knew. They have a square  
> hole, which must be deliberate, so we are looking for something  
> square in the boot.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 1-Nov-08, at 1:56 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:
>
>> Hi Netters,
>> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic  
>> card either original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the  
>> boot?  Seems like I have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but  
>> not the "Spare tire" one.
>>
>> Roverly,
>> Kent K.
>>
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 18:51:51 2008
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:51:51 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
Message-ID: <204ec4390811011551q16a538ddye4f43b80bc60248a@mail.gmail.com>

Kent

www.rover-classics.co.uk

Ian Wilson took over Ray Weekley's operations and combined it with hs
own a year or so back. He knows a thing about Federal and NADA cars as
well as he reimports them back to the UK

Aidrian


> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card either
> original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems like I have
> seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
>


From vern at inkspotco.com  Sat Nov  1 18:56:47 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <204ec4390811011551q16a538ddye4f43b80bc60248a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
	<204ec4390811011551q16a538ddye4f43b80bc60248a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDB10EEF-B1DE-45D8-8CF6-93FD7A88E38A@inkspotco.com>

That's it!

Yours
Vern
On 1-Nov-08, at 3:51 PM, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:

> Kent
>
> www.rover-classics.co.uk
>
> Ian Wilson took over Ray Weekley's operations and combined it with hs
> own a year or so back. He knows a thing about Federal and NADA cars as
> well as he reimports them back to the UK
>
> Aidrian
>
>
>> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic  
>> card either
>> original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems  
>> like I have
>> seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
>>
>
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From kkinard at att.net  Sat Nov  1 19:12:11 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage
 position	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <204ec4390811011551q16a538ddye4f43b80bc60248a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490CC28C.4060206@att.net>
	<204ec4390811011551q16a538ddye4f43b80bc60248a@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks ,Aidrian.  I just uncovered a stack of them today- NOS.  Cooling 
system cards, too.
I guess I could charge  $5 plus postage.

Kent K.

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote:
> Kent
>
> www.rover-classics.co.uk
>
> Ian Wilson took over Ray Weekley's operations and combined it with hs
> own a year or so back. He knows a thing about Federal and NADA cars as
> well as he reimports them back to the UK
>
> Aidrian
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card either
>> original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems like I have
>> seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
>>
>>     
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From esailer at snet.net  Sat Nov  1 22:02:53 2008
From: esailer at snet.net (EDWARD SAILER)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <66413.71641.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Test

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position placard-P6, P6B
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:38 PM






I also have one of those ebay ones.? I think they go on the? . . . . can't remember, but I think it's on the car - will have a look tomorrow. .. . . 





From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 6:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position placard-P6, P6B

I just bought one of these on eBay, I'm sure they are being reproduced ( or an ample stock of NOS has surfaced).

As to were they go, no idea, and i wished I knew. They have a square hole, which must be deliberate, so we are looking for something square in the boot.

Yours
Vern
On 1-Nov-08, at 1:56 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:

> Hi Netters,
> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card either original or reproduction?? Where does it fit in the boot?? Seems like I have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
> 
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
> 
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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 09:13:35 2008
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:13:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
	was Brakes for that matter
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I got mine at the local Kragens.

roland

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:01 PM

Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?

AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
was Brakes for that matter

Hi Group,

I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British  
brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I  
tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had  
problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which  
caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this  
could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about  
brake fluid.

Dermot Harvey


On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Hi
> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for  
> British cars.
> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by  
> Lockheed
> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts  
> business.
> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone  
> brake
> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified  
> silicone fluid
> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce  
> and the
> MG Owners Club
>
> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up  
> trying to
> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used  
> standard N
> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and had no
> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>
> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in  
> 2008??] is
> the only safe fluid to use
> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of  
> modern brake
> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base  
> for their
> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as  
> the base
> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the  
> lovely
> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol  
> R the
> last castor oil based motor oil.
> Cheers
>  Patrick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of McArdle
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for  
> that matter
>
>
> Hi Rover people,
>
>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent  
> out very
> many messages.
>
>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and  
> have been
> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I  
> purchased
> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the  
> rights
> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John  
> Grattan Inc.
> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was  
> also a
> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
> Sooooo
> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>
>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently  
> were
> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
> rubber seals.
>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and  
> tends
> top soften and swell the British seals.
>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the  
> brake
> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both  
> water
> saturated and not saturated.
>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,  
> as it's
> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly  
> sold
> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.  
> There is
> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake  
> fluid
> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid  
> boils
> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can have
> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
> either. What to do??
>
>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!  
> Change it
> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you  
> drive.
>
>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake  
> systems and
> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted  
> surface.
> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits  
> there!!
> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation  
> is in
> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container  
> because it
> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the  
> pedal feel
> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at  
> least every
> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the  
> darker the
> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems  
> and they
> seem to last forever.
>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
> British cars ever.
>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to
 
> chat.
> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi  
> performance
> fluids, flushing etc.
>
> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local  
>> Canton Auto
>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British  
>> brakes
>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There  
>> seems to
>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .  
>> DON"T use
>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>> compatible
>>
>> Cheers  Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On
>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that  
>> matter
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to  
>> connect
> the
>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
> mastercyl...............and
>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and  
>> slave
>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
>>  _____
>>
>>
>
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 11:59:43 2008
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:59:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid
	was Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <012f01c93c65$07faf320$17f0d960$@net>
Message-ID: <205073.19404.qm@web110308.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

There is an amazon.com seller of Castrol LMA as well. They have the larger bottles and shipped pretty promptly. I'm a big believer in DOT4 fluid as well, though I don't have a factual basis for that claim.

Nathan 


--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 4:01 PM
> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
> 
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000
> Silicone brake fluid
> was Brakes for that matter
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in
> British  
> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first
> introduced I  
> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases
> I had  
> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly
> which  
> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore
> that this  
> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very
> fussy about  
> brake fluid.
> 
> Dermot Harvey
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > There seem to be three schools of thought on brake
> fluids for  
> > British cars.
> > Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
> >  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
> > The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B
> was made by  
> > Lockheed
> > / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the
> British parts  
> > business.
> > The instructions said , in very large letters "
> DO NOT use silicone  
> > brake
> > fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
> > White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also
> specified  
> > silicone fluid
> > should not be used . I've seen the same statement
> from Rolls Royce  
> > and the
> > MG Owners Club
> >
> > North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
> > White post had no problems with  normal US brake
> fluids I gave up  
> > trying to
> > find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago .
> I've used  
> > standard N
> > American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25
> years and had no
> > problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
> >
> > Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil
> based in  
> > 2008??] is
> > the only safe fluid to use
> > I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point
> specs of  
> > modern brake
> > fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor
> oil as a base  
> > for their
> > brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned
> Castor oil as  
> > the base
> > for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do
> remember the  
> > lovely
> > smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes
> using Castrol  
> > R the
> > last castor oil based motor oil.
> > Cheers
> >  Patrick.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> > bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> > Behalf Of McArdle
> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000
> Brakes for  
> > that matter
> >
> >
> > Hi Rover people,
> >
> >           I've been on this list for a long time
> but have not sent  
> > out very
> > many messages.
> >
> >           I have been involved with Rovers myself
> since 1968 and  
> > have been
> > a dealer on and off ever since. The original
> dealership that I  
> > purchased
> > started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also
> purchased the  
> > rights
> > to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known
> as John  
> > Grattan Inc.
> > so you can see I've been around the Rover block a
> few times. I was  
> > also a
> > Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they
> left the US.
> > Sooooo
> > here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
> >
> >       The seals in british car brake systems up until
> VERY recently  
> > were
> > natural rubber and therefore very different from
> synthetic ( American)
> > rubber seals.
> >       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable
> based and has an
> > additive package that works with the British rubber
> seals.
> >       American ( or other country) brake fluid is
> mineral based and  
> > tends
> > top soften and swell the British seals.
> >       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the
> composition of the  
> > brake
> > fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of
> the fluid both  
> > water
> > saturated and not saturated.
> >       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid
> absorbs water ,  
> > as it's
> > supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid
> that is commonly  
> > sold
> > is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture
> activity.  
> > There is
> > a trade off between getting the water into suspension
> in the brake  
> > fluid
> > and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water
> and the fluid  
> > boils
> > and thats not good but not enough water in suspension
> and you can have
> > actual pockets of moisture in the system and that
> doesn't really work
> > either. What to do??
> >
> >      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British
> cars, PERIOD!!  
> > Change it
> > frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not
> just when you  
> > drive.
> >
> >      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all
> brake  
> > systems and
> > makes the internal parts last virtually forever. (
> Developed for the
> > military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on
> the painted  
> > surface.
> > Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover ,
> silicone only sits  
> > there!!
> > Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that
> condensation  
> > is in
> > there forever if you don't change it regularly.
> >      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm
> container  
> > because it
> > will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and
> make the  
> > pedal feel
> > a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
> >      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and
> flush at  
> > least every
> > 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very
> dark, ( the  
> > darker the
> > more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic
> clutch systems  
> > and they
> > seem to last forever.
> >     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything,
> American fluid not in
> > British cars ever.
> >     If you've got any questions drop me a line and
> I'll be glad to  
> > chat.
> > There is actually alot more to it than just whats
> above. Hi  
> > performance
> > fluids, flushing etc.
> >
> > Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
> >
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose
> from my local  
> >> Canton Auto
> >> parts store for every thing . The old problem with
> ancient British  
> >> brakes
> >> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake
> fluids . There  
> >> seems to
> >> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and
> conventional  DOT3 .  
> >> DON"T use
> >> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including
> Rolls Royce, are not
> >> compatible
> >>
> >> Cheers  Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet- 
> >> bounces at rovernet.ca]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
> >> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
> >> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000
> Brakes for that  
> >> matter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster
> to the air
> >> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to
> use for this to  
> >> connect
> > the
> >> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
> > mastercyl...............and
> >> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs
> to the master and  
> >> slave
> >> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or
> what
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Bill Robertson
> >>
> >>  _____
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rovernet mailing list
> > Rovernet at rovernet.ca
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> digest mode or  
> > no-mail:
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:10:21 2008
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:10:21 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brakes and stowage .....or more Rover
	queries
Message-ID: <BAY119-W51204DADDB5D32562880BFDE220@phx.gbl>


I,ve never had brake problems with my TC's since the early 70's using brake fluid right out of Canadian Tire.........although i used Ford  Dot 3 550degree which seemed to give me better pedal feel on the 401 expressway...........(i drive or drove extremely hard with them back then and still; as we just won our car clubs rally in my TC  ).......which now isn't sold there......this dang 3500S of course only frustrates me knowing i had the engine out and could have easily replaced the lines and rubber hoses but since they worked good previous i left them....DUH its nearing 50 year old.....Note to self and all reading this........never assume.......yes its true   LOL.........and the fact is the master cyl was new in 1998.....and is leaking at the diapragm!!!!!.........anywayto Kents question ...........they have many repros stowage etc on the net...ebay etc.......Ian has some also i think.........i think i remember seeing them on the battery box in dads back in 1970.....
 
Thanks for the input as there seems to be a myriad of answers to the same questions
 
Roverly yours
Bill Robertson 
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From peterhut at melbpc.org.au  Sun Nov  2 20:38:06 2008
From: peterhut at melbpc.org.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:38:06 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P5b Racing
In-Reply-To: <ca4.3c623e76.363d6a19@aol.com>
References: <ca4.3c623e76.363d6a19@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3dlsg4ld3reqrgq923gsiev20d6scaarlt@4ax.com>

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 04:15:21 EDT, you wrote:

>  
>
>      Hi All,
>               For the P5's 50th, check this out. She's heeling over like a 
>big old Battle Ship. White walls and Rostyles are nice too.
>
>     http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/page1.htm

Thanks for noticing, but I posted this here for the list's info back
on the 24th.




Cheers,

Peter Huttemeier
Webmaster 
Rover Car Club of Australia Inc
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/


From roverman2 at verizon.net  Sun Nov  2 22:14:23 2008
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:14:23 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake
 fluid	was Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <192657.7496.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <192657.7496.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D58516EC-1226-4E54-9D51-1D268DE20A4E@verizon.net>

Hi Group,

Dunno about Kragens. I know Rovers North in Vermont has it. and maybe  
DAP and Atlantic British. I used to get it at my European Car parts  
store, but there don't seem to be many of these left.

Dermot Harvey


On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:13 AM, roland wrote:

> I got mine at the local Kragens.
>
> roland
>
> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
> brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"  
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:01 PM
>
> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
> brake fluid
> was Brakes for that matter
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British
> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I
> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had
> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which
> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this
> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about
> brake fluid.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for
>> British cars.
>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by
>> Lockheed
>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts
>> business.
>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone
>> brake
>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified
>> silicone fluid
>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce
>> and the
>> MG Owners Club
>>
>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up
>> trying to
>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used
>> standard N
>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and  
>> had no
>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>
>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in
>> 2008??] is
>> the only safe fluid to use
>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of
>> modern brake
>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base
>> for their
>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as
>> the base
>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the
>> lovely
>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol
>> R the
>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>> Cheers
>>  Patrick.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of McArdle
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for
>> that matter
>>
>>
>> Hi Rover people,
>>
>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent
>> out very
>> many messages.
>>
>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and
>> have been
>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I
>> purchased
>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the
>> rights
>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John
>> Grattan Inc.
>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was
>> also a
>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>> Sooooo
>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>
>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently
>> were
>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic  
>> ( American)
>> rubber seals.
>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and
>> tends
>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the
>> brake
>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both
>> water
>> saturated and not saturated.
>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,
>> as it's
>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly
>> sold
>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.
>> There is
>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake
>> fluid
>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid
>> boils
>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can  
>> have
>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>> either. What to do??
>>
>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!
>> Change it
>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you
>> drive.
>>
>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake
>> systems and
>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted
>> surface.
>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits
>> there!!
>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation
>> is in
>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container
>> because it
>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the
>> pedal feel
>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at
>> least every
>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the
>> darker the
>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems
>> and they
>> seem to last forever.
>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>> British cars ever.
>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to
>
>> chat.
>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi
>> performance
>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>
>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local
>>> Canton Auto
>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British
>>> brakes
>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There
>>> seems to
>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .
>>> DON"T use
>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>> compatible
>>>
>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that
>>> matter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to
>>> connect
>> the
>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>> mastercyl...............and
>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and
>>> slave
>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bill Robertson
>>>
>>>  _____
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Mon Nov  3 07:24:36 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:24:36 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that matter
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810311745240.24593@bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl><000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>
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Thanks for the suggestion.
I use an italian fluid, it could be an IP ( Italiana petroli) one.

I will check and let you know.

Thanks again.

Best regards, Gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
Per conto di McArdle
Inviato: sabato 1 novembre 2008 0.19
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that
matter


Hi Rover people,

          I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent out
very many messages.

          I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and have
been a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I
purchased started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also
purchased the rights to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time
known as John Grattan Inc. 
so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was also
a Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US. 
Sooooo
here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.

      The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently were
natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic ( American)
rubber seals.
      Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
      American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and
tends top soften and swell the British seals.
      Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the
brake fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both
water saturated and not saturated.
      Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water , as
it's supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly
sold is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.
There is a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the
brake fluid and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the
fluid boils and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and
you can have actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't
really work either. What to do??

     Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!! Change
it frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you
drive.

     Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake systems and
makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted surface. 
Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits
there!! 
Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation is
in there forever if you don't change it regularly.
     Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container because
it will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the pedal
feel a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
     I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at least
every
2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the darker the
more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems and
they seem to last forever.
    Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
British cars ever.
    If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to chat.

There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi performance
fluids, flushing etc.

Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us


On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:

> Bill
>
> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local Canton 
> Auto parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient 
> British brakes was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake 
> fluids . There seems to be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and 
> conventional  DOT3 . DON"T use silicone fluid , most older brakes , 
> including Rolls Royce, are not compatible
>
> Cheers  Patrick
>
>
>
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Bill Robertson
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that 
> matter
>
>
>
> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air 
> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to 
> connect the lines under the motor to the booster and to the 
> mastercyl...............and then what is best for the brake fluid 
> reservoirs to the master and slave cyl......straight rubber hose , or 
> neoprene or what
>
> Thanks
> Bill Robertson
>
>  _____
>
>

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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Mon Nov  3 13:45:08 2008
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Mystery part???
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl><000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>
	<BAY106-W18E514487F18236CA339AEB0200@phx.gbl>
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Hello Folks
                 A friend and ex TC man today gave me a box of parts, all 
quite rare and useful, even have a good condition front grille emblem. But 
what baffled me was the following item. The label states "Universal Security 
Instrument" Baltimore Maryland. Its made of  light aluminum with two 
electrical connections, its approx 8 inches long approx 11/2 inches width, 
almost but not quite oval in shape. It appears to have a spring unit inside 
that vibrates. Yes it was on a Rover TC. Anyone have any knowledge of this 
unusual assessory. I don't want to use Rovernet to advertize the parts I 
have just received, if anyone is interested contact me at my email address.
 Regards  Ben (irishrover)




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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 14:51:18 2008
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:51:18 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6
Message-ID: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>


Would anyone know the chap that wrote the Improving the P6 article on the oldsite of the P6 club.com............I'd like to get a hold of him and ask a few things...........
Also if you read the article i'd like to know if anyone has a V8 front air dam like the one shown that Scott's Old Rubber used to sell...I asked him and he no longer has any
 
Thanks
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From ianalice at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  3 15:12:08 2008
From: ianalice at shaw.ca (Alice and Ian Potts)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:12:08 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Mystery part???
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl>
	<000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>
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Sounds like something you bury in the slot of the driver'  seat, producing a 
high voltage situation when the thief puts his hand on the gearshift!  Ian
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Mystery part???


> Hello Folks
>                 A friend and ex TC man today gave me a box of parts, all 
> quite rare and useful, even have a good condition front grille emblem. But 
> what baffled me was the following item. The label states "Universal 
> Security Instrument" Baltimore Maryland. Its made of  light aluminum with 
> two electrical connections, its approx 8 inches long approx 11/2 inches 
> width, almost but not quite oval in shape. It appears to have a spring 
> unit inside that vibrates. Yes it was on a Rover TC. Anyone have any 
> knowledge of this unusual assessory. I don't want to use Rovernet to 
> advertize the parts I have just received, if anyone is interested contact 
> me at my email address.
> Regards  Ben (irishrover)
>
>
>
>
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> www.irishroversbooks.com
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 15:31:31 2008
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:31:31 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Mystery part???
In-Reply-To: <E4F18F2CF2664A9A9201B9F07AB10EBA@jimrsl7dsabc2y>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl>
	<000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca>
	<BAY106-W18E514487F18236CA339AEB0200@phx.gbl>
	<BLU0-SMTP19E82B736DD3D1B81F55B2951D0@phx.gbl> 
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Message-ID: <BAY106-W240F4600D669FD491025AAB01D0@phx.gbl>


Blimey,
 
I Think I know what this is! Years ago a mate asked me to fit an ancient alarm device to his equally old mini. Both the device and the mini were from the mid sixyies and this was the mid-eighties.
 
If this is what I think it is the bit that vibrates can be adjusted so that as the car is disturbed the bit inside will move and complete a circuit, that in turn sounds the horn. Really crude but made the horn beep like a three year old was playing with it.
 
Niether the car or the device would be stolen by anyone, even in my rough part of SE London!
 
Cheers All,
 
Steven

From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 15:33:24 2008
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:33:24 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl>


Hi All,
 
Does anybody know where I can get the inner sealed beam headlamp for my series 1 2000 TC? My one is winking at things....
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Steven

From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 22:59:42 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:59:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position
	placard-P6, P6B
In-Reply-To: <24701B41-FA32-4BCD-9D32-F4A222796A6B@inkspotco.com>
Message-ID: <107472.11753.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check the links page on the RCCC website :-)

Eric

Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:

> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage position placard-P6, P6B
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:42 PM
> Ken, I also dimly recall a website selling all manner of
> labels for P6 and others, including the card. It will swim
> up to me eventually from my murky memory depths, I'll
> let you know.
> 
> Yours
> Vern
> On 1-Nov-08, at 3:36 PM, Vern Klukas wrote:
> 
> > I just bought one of these on eBay, I'm sure they
> are being reproduced ( or an ample stock of NOS has
> surfaced).
> > 
> > As to were they go, no idea, and i wished I knew. They
> have a square hole, which must be deliberate, so we are
> looking for something square in the boot.
> > 
> > Yours
> > Vern
> > On 1-Nov-08, at 1:56 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Netters,
> >> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage
> Position" red plastic card either original or
> reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems like I
> have seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not
> the "Spare tire" one.
> >> 
> >> Roverly,
> >> Kent K.
> >> 
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:53:56 2008
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:53:56 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6
Message-ID: <BAY119-W441583907A026E3A927588DE1C0@phx.gbl>


Hi Eric........no not the article from Practical Classics which by the way has been updated 3-4 times since 1995 but still basically same article...........No this is from the old P6club.com website.....One chaps account in detail of changes he has made to his P6B that he runs on track days........His details of exactly what he did and whether or not it was worth the time and money are fascinating reading............
 
I'm still looking for an air dam for the V8 that Scotts old rubber sold years ago..........if anyone knows of one could they let me know.......i'd like to buy one or make at least make a template............I used to have a front spoiler(air dam) i made on mine and my fathers 2000TC's back in the early 70's.............crude piece of aluminum 'but really helped cooling on the highway towing etc
 Cheers
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Tue Nov  4 14:20:37 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:20:37 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W240F4600D669FD491025AAB01D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl><000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca><BAY106-W18E514487F18236CA339AEB0200@phx.gbl><BLU0-SMTP19E82B736DD3D1B81F55B2951D0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A011945DF@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>

 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-SD1-V8-HISTORIC-RALLY-CAR_W0QQitemZ280282290
473QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280282290473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=7
2%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Very beautiful, really, but engine to rebuild.

Best regards, Gianluca.

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From preynolds at igc.org  Tue Nov  4 14:29:30 2008
From: preynolds at igc.org (Peter Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:29:30 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
In-Reply-To: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A011945DF@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
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Gianluca, eBay took down this listing.  Do you have any pictures?
Peter
On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 AM, <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it> wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-SD1-V8-HISTORIC-RALLY-CAR_W0QQitemZ280282290
> 473QQcmdZViewItem? 
> hash=item280282290473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=7
> 2%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
>
> Very beautiful, really, but engine to rebuild.
>
> Best regards, Gianluca.
>
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From ghegranes at msn.com  Tue Nov  4 14:34:35 2008
From: ghegranes at msn.com (Grant Hegranes)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:34:35 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
In-Reply-To: <8EE4D540-AFEF-4CC5-939E-DF8B507C03D4@gmail.com>
References: <BAY119-W43BA7B0ED618C0B88E4E18DE200@phx.gbl><000c01c93ba2$aaec6690$00c533b0$@ca><BAY106-W18E514487F18236CA339AEB0200@phx.gbl><BLU0-SMTP19E82B736DD3D1B81F55B2951D0@phx.gbl>
	<E4F18F2CF2664A9A9201B9F07AB10EBA@jimrsl7dsabc2y>
	<BAY106-W240F4600D669FD491025AAB01D0@phx.gbl>
	<AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A011945DF@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel> 
	<8EE4D540-AFEF-4CC5-939E-DF8B507C03D4@gmail.com>
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								Item number: 
								280282290473Try this number, the car is still there.
Grant

> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:29:30 -0800
> From: preynolds at igc.org
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
> 
> Gianluca, eBay took down this listing.  Do you have any pictures?
> Peter
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 AM, <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it> wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-SD1-V8-HISTORIC-RALLY-CAR_W0QQitemZ280282290
> > 473QQcmdZViewItem? 
> > hash=item280282290473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=7
> > 2%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> >
> > Very beautiful, really, but engine to rebuild.
> >
> > Best regards, Gianluca.
> >
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Wed Nov  5 02:19:28 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:19:28 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage
	positionplacard-P6, P6B
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350120518800&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D350120518800%26_fvi%3D1


Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info




-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
An: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Samstag, 1. November 2008 23:51
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spare tire stowage positionplacard-P6, P6B


> Kent
>
> www.rover-classics.co.uk
>
> Ian Wilson took over Ray Weekley's operations and combined it with hs
> own a year or so back. He knows a thing about Federal and NADA cars as
> well as he reimports them back to the UK
>
> Aidrian
>
>
>> Does anyone offer the "Spare Tire Stowage Position" red plastic card either
>> original or reproduction?  Where does it fit in the boot?  Seems like I have
>> seen the red "Cooling System" cards, but not the "Spare tire" one.
>>
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Wed Nov  5 03:17:21 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:17:21 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-SD1-V8-HISTORIC-RALLY-CAR_W0QQitemZ280282290473QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280282290473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
 
The car is still there, it will end on November the 13 th and had 1049 visits.
 
It is very beautiful!!
 
best regards, Gianluca.

________________________________

Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Grant Hegranes
Inviato: marted? 4 novembre 2008 20.35
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay



	Item number: 280282290473	  <http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/globalAssets/rtCurve.gif> 	
Try this number, the car is still there.
Grant

> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:29:30 -0800
> From: preynolds at igc.org
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover SD1 rally car on e- bay
> 
> Gianluca, eBay took down this listing. Do you have any pictures?
> Peter
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:20 AM, <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it> wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-SD1-V8-HISTORIC-RALLY-CAR_W0QQitemZ280282290
> > 473QQcmdZViewItem? 
> > hash=item280282290473&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=7
> > 2%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
> >
> > Very beautiful, really, but engine to rebuild.
> >
> > Best regards, Gianluca.
> >
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From jLewis at wsscwater.com  Wed Nov  5 08:48:32 2008
From: jLewis at wsscwater.com (Lewis, Joseph (Michael))
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:48:32 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake
	fluid	was Brakes for that matter
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I still find Castrol LMA brake fluid at Pep Boys in the
Maryland/Washington DC region.

J. Michael Lewis
jlewis at wsscwater.com
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:14 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake
fluid was Brakes for that matter
Importance: Low

Hi Group,

Dunno about Kragens. I know Rovers North in Vermont has it. and maybe  
DAP and Atlantic British. I used to get it at my European Car parts  
store, but there don't seem to be many of these left.

Dermot Harvey


On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:13 AM, roland wrote:

> I got mine at the local Kragens.
>
> roland
>
> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
> brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"  
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:01 PM
>
> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
> brake fluid
> was Brakes for that matter
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British
> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I
> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had
> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which
> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this
> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about
> brake fluid.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for
>> British cars.
>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by
>> Lockheed
>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts
>> business.
>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone
>> brake
>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified
>> silicone fluid
>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce
>> and the
>> MG Owners Club
>>
>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up
>> trying to
>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used
>> standard N
>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and  
>> had no
>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>
>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in
>> 2008??] is
>> the only safe fluid to use
>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of
>> modern brake
>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base
>> for their
>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as
>> the base
>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the
>> lovely
>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol
>> R the
>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>> Cheers
>>  Patrick.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of McArdle
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for
>> that matter
>>
>>
>> Hi Rover people,
>>
>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent
>> out very
>> many messages.
>>
>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and
>> have been
>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I
>> purchased
>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the
>> rights
>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John
>> Grattan Inc.
>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was
>> also a
>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>> Sooooo
>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>
>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently
>> were
>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic  
>> ( American)
>> rubber seals.
>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and
>> tends
>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the
>> brake
>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both
>> water
>> saturated and not saturated.
>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,
>> as it's
>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly
>> sold
>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.
>> There is
>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake
>> fluid
>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid
>> boils
>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can  
>> have
>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>> either. What to do??
>>
>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!
>> Change it
>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you
>> drive.
>>
>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake
>> systems and
>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted
>> surface.
>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits
>> there!!
>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation
>> is in
>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container
>> because it
>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the
>> pedal feel
>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at
>> least every
>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the
>> darker the
>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems
>> and they
>> seem to last forever.
>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>> British cars ever.
>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to
>
>> chat.
>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi
>> performance
>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>
>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local
>>> Canton Auto
>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British
>>> brakes
>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There
>>> seems to
>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .
>>> DON"T use
>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>> compatible
>>>
>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that
>>> matter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to
>>> connect
>> the
>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>> mastercyl...............and
>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and
>>> slave
>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Bill Robertson
>>>
>>>  _____
>>>
>>>
>>
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From jaguru at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  5 10:45:56 2008
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:45:56 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone
	brakefluid	was Brakes for that matter
References: <192657.7496.qm@web55402.mail.re4.yahoo.com><D58516EC-1226-4E54-9D51-1D268DE20A4E@verizon.net>
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Bennet Auto Parts carries Castrol in South Florida. James Dean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lewis, Joseph (Michael)" <jLewis at wsscwater.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brakefluid 
was Brakes for that matter


>I still find Castrol LMA brake fluid at Pep Boys in the
> Maryland/Washington DC region.
>
> J. Michael Lewis
> jlewis at wsscwater.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:14 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake
> fluid was Brakes for that matter
> Importance: Low
>
> Hi Group,
>
> Dunno about Kragens. I know Rovers North in Vermont has it. and maybe
> DAP and Atlantic British. I used to get it at my European Car parts
> store, but there don't seem to be many of these left.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:13 AM, roland wrote:
>
>> I got mine at the local Kragens.
>>
>> roland
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone
>> brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
>> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"
>> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:01 PM
>>
>> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>>
>> AvMedSafe
>> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>> Portland OR 97210
>> 503-241-8468
>> 503-799-3809 mobile
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone
>> brake fluid
>> was Brakes for that matter
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British
>> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I
>> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had
>> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which
>> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this
>> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about
>> brake fluid.
>>
>> Dermot Harvey
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for
>>> British cars.
>>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by
>>> Lockheed
>>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts
>>> business.
>>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone
>>> brake
>>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified
>>> silicone fluid
>>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce
>>> and the
>>> MG Owners Club
>>>
>>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up
>>> trying to
>>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used
>>> standard N
>>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and
>>> had no
>>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>>
>>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in
>>> 2008??] is
>>> the only safe fluid to use
>>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of
>>> modern brake
>>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base
>>> for their
>>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as
>>> the base
>>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the
>>> lovely
>>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol
>>> R the
>>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>>> Cheers
>>>  Patrick.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>>> Behalf Of McArdle
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for
>>> that matter
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rover people,
>>>
>>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent
>>> out very
>>> many messages.
>>>
>>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and
>>> have been
>>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I
>>> purchased
>>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the
>>> rights
>>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John
>>> Grattan Inc.
>>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was
>>> also a
>>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>>> Sooooo
>>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>>
>>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently
>>> were
>>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic
>>> ( American)
>>> rubber seals.
>>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and
>>> tends
>>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the
>>> brake
>>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both
>>> water
>>> saturated and not saturated.
>>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,
>>> as it's
>>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly
>>> sold
>>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.
>>> There is
>>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake
>>> fluid
>>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid
>>> boils
>>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can
>>> have
>>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>>> either. What to do??
>>>
>>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!
>>> Change it
>>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you
>>> drive.
>>>
>>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake
>>> systems and
>>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted
>>> surface.
>>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits
>>> there!!
>>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation
>>> is in
>>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container
>>> because it
>>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the
>>> pedal feel
>>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at
>>> least every
>>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the
>>> darker the
>>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems
>>> and they
>>> seem to last forever.
>>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>>> British cars ever.
>>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to
>>
>>> chat.
>>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi
>>> performance
>>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>>
>>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local
>>>> Canton Auto
>>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British
>>>> brakes
>>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There
>>>> seems to
>>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .
>>>> DON"T use
>>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>>> compatible
>>>>
>>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that
>>>> matter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to
>>>> connect
>>> the
>>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>>> mastercyl...............and
>>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and
>>>> slave
>>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bill Robertson
>>>>
>>>>  _____
>>>>
>>>>
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From kkinard at att.net  Wed Nov  5 11:43:12 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:43:12 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake	fluid
 was Brakes for that matter
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You can go to the Castrol USA website and look under distributors and 
retail locations.  The information seems to be really old, but it's a 
place to start.  I found a local distributor and an affiliated retail 
outlet in San Antonio that way.  $2.49 per 12oz. bottle.

Roverly,
Kent K.

Lewis, Joseph (Michael) wrote:
> I still find Castrol LMA brake fluid at Pep Boys in the
> Maryland/Washington DC region.
>
> J. Michael Lewis
> jlewis at wsscwater.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:14 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone brake
> fluid was Brakes for that matter
> Importance: Low
>
> Hi Group,
>
> Dunno about Kragens. I know Rovers North in Vermont has it. and maybe  
> DAP and Atlantic British. I used to get it at my European Car parts  
> store, but there don't seem to be many of these left.
>
> Dermot Harvey
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:13 AM, roland wrote:
>
>   
>> I got mine at the local Kragens.
>>
>> roland
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: Geff McCarthy <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
>> brake fluid was Brakes for that matter
>> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"  
>> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 2:01 PM
>>
>> Dermot, all: Where can we get Castrol LMA in the USA?
>>
>> AvMedSafe
>> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>> Portland OR 97210
>> 503-241-8468
>> 503-799-3809 mobile
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>> Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:34 PM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Silicone  
>> brake fluid
>> was Brakes for that matter
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I would agree with Patrick about only using Castrol LMA in British
>> brakes. Years ago when Silicone brake fluid was first introduced I
>> tried it in a Rover 2000 and a Lancia Fulvia. In both cases I had
>> problems with the master cylinder seals swelling slightly which
>> caused the master cylinder to hang up. The suppliers swore that this
>> could not happen! It seems that natural rubber is very fussy about
>> brake fluid.
>>
>> Dermot Harvey
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi
>>> There seem to be three schools of thought on brake fluids for
>>> British cars.
>>> Here's my 10 cents worth to start the debate !!
>>>  1 Silicone fluid is or is not OK  '/
>>> The new OEM Master cylinder I just installed on my P6B was made by
>>> Lockheed
>>> / Girling / Lucas whoever owns the remains of the British parts
>>> business.
>>> The instructions said , in very large letters " DO NOT use silicone
>>> brake
>>> fluid, it is not compatible with the seals "
>>> White Post who rebuilt my P3 brake cylinders also specified
>>> silicone fluid
>>> should not be used . I've seen the same statement from Rolls Royce
>>> and the
>>> MG Owners Club
>>>
>>> North American standard brake fluid is / is not OK
>>> White post had no problems with  normal US brake fluids I gave up
>>> trying to
>>> find Castrol brake fluid in North America years ago . I've used
>>> standard N
>>> American brake fluids in English cars for the last 25 years and  
>>> had no
>>> problems with  swelling seals, funny brakes  etc
>>>
>>> Castrol brake fluid [ is it really still vegetable oil based in
>>> 2008??] is
>>> the only safe fluid to use
>>> I doubt that castor oil would meet the boiling point specs of
>>> modern brake
>>> fluids .I suspect that Castrol stopped using Castor oil as a base
>>> for their
>>> brake fluid at about the same time as they abandoned Castor oil as
>>> the base
>>> for  their every day  automobile engine oils . I do remember the
>>> lovely
>>> smell from the exhaust pipes of cars and motor bikes using Castrol
>>> R the
>>> last castor oil based motor oil.
>>> Cheers
>>>  Patrick.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>> bounces at rovernet.ca] On
>>> Behalf Of McArdle
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:19 PM
>>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for
>>> that matter
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Rover people,
>>>
>>>           I've been on this list for a long time but have not sent
>>> out very
>>> many messages.
>>>
>>>           I have been involved with Rovers myself since 1968 and
>>> have been
>>> a dealer on and off ever since. The original dealership that I
>>> purchased
>>> started in the Rover business in 1949 in NYC . I also purchased the
>>> rights
>>> to a dealership in Southampton NY, at that time known as John
>>> Grattan Inc.
>>> so you can see I've been around the Rover block a few times. I was
>>> also a
>>> Rootes dealer until Chrysler screwed that up and they left the US.
>>> Sooooo
>>> here's the story on brake fluid and british cars.
>>>
>>>       The seals in british car brake systems up until VERY recently
>>> were
>>> natural rubber and therefore very different from synthetic  
>>> ( American)
>>> rubber seals.
>>>       Castrol or Lockheed brake fluid is vegetable based and has an
>>> additive package that works with the British rubber seals.
>>>       American ( or other country) brake fluid is mineral based and
>>> tends
>>> top soften and swell the British seals.
>>>       Dot 3 or 4 or 5 has nothing to do with the composition of the
>>> brake
>>> fluid but much more to do with the boiling point of the fluid both
>>> water
>>> saturated and not saturated.
>>>       Yes thats right water saturated. Brake fluid absorbs water ,
>>> as it's
>>> supposed to. Some more than others.  Castrol fluid that is commonly
>>> sold
>>> is called LMA for a reason, it stands for Low Moisture activity.
>>> There is
>>> a trade off between getting the water into suspension in the brake
>>> fluid
>>> and boiling point of that same fluid. Too much water and the fluid
>>> boils
>>> and thats not good but not enough water in suspension and you can  
>>> have
>>> actual pockets of moisture in the system and that doesn't really work
>>> either. What to do??
>>>
>>>      Use only Castrol or Lockheed fluid in British cars, PERIOD!!
>>> Change it
>>> frequently, remember it is absorbing all the time not just when you
>>> drive.
>>>
>>>      Silicone fluid is chemically nonreactive with all brake
>>> systems and
>>> makes the internal parts last virtually forever. ( Developed for the
>>> military) It's also perfectly safe if it spills on the painted
>>> surface.
>>> Regualr brake fluid is a great paint remover , silicone only sits
>>> there!!
>>> Only problem is that it absorbs NO water sooo all that condensation
>>> is in
>>> there forever if you don't change it regularly.
>>>      Silicone also needs to be put in from a VERY calm container
>>> because it
>>> will hold microscopic bubbles for a very long time and make the
>>> pedal feel
>>> a bit softer than your used to. What to do ??
>>>      I use Castol or Lockheed in the brake system and flush at
>>> least every
>>> 2 years , more often if the brake fluid gets very dark, ( the
>>> darker the
>>> more water is in it) . I use silicone in hyraulic clutch systems
>>> and they
>>> seem to last forever.
>>>     Remember Castol/Lockheed fluid in anything, American fluid not in
>>> British cars ever.
>>>     If you've got any questions drop me a line and I'll be glad to
>>>       
>>> chat.
>>> There is actually alot more to it than just whats above. Hi
>>> performance
>>> fluids, flushing etc.
>>>
>>> Pete McArdle    fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Patrick Hiron wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> Glad you found the problem . I Used vacuum hose from my local
>>>> Canton Auto
>>>> parts store for every thing . The old problem with ancient British
>>>> brakes
>>>> was the seals were unable to tolerate modern brake fluids . There
>>>> seems to
>>>> be np problem with  post 1950 brakes and conventional  DOT3 .
>>>> DON"T use
>>>> silicone fluid , most older brakes , including Rolls Royce, are not
>>>> compatible
>>>>
>>>> Cheers  Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-
>>>> bounces at rovernet.ca]
>>>>         
>>> On
>>>       
>>>> Behalf Of Bill Robertson
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:13 PM
>>>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>>>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S or 2000 Brakes for that
>>>> matter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got a leak in the hose from the booster to the air
>>>> diapragm..........what would be the best hose to use for this to
>>>> connect
>>>>         
>>> the
>>>       
>>>> lines under the motor to the booster and to the
>>>>         
>>> mastercyl...............and
>>>       
>>>> then what is best for the brake fluid reservoirs to the master and
>>>> slave
>>>> cyl......straight rubber hose , or neoprene or what
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bill Robertson
>>>>
>>>>  _____
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 13:06:24 2008
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:06:24 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
Message-ID: <BAY119-W49DF94B346B76B283C9B4FDE1F0@phx.gbl>


Ok i've got as far as tracing the article to a Simon Craig...he's in New Zealand.............anyone have any knowledge of him and maybe an email address........I've contacted the P6 Owners Club but they cold shouldered me for not being a member........Like how many clubs can you belong to at one time before your wife goes ballastic....LOL
 
BTW no one answered on what type of hose to use from the resevoir to the master or slave..........rubeer or noeprene etc.....what is the most brake fluid resistant..........
 
Cheers
Bill Robertson
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Wed Nov  5 13:30:35 2008
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:30:35 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
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http://www.groundsky.co.nz/index.php?Action=VEN&EventCode=0802&EntrantID=8767


Rudiger
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-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
An: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:06
Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again



Ok i've got as far as tracing the article to a Simon Craig...he's in New 
Zealand.............anyone have any knowledge of him and maybe an email 
address........I've contacted the P6 Owners Club but they cold shouldered me for not being 
a member........Like how many clubs can you belong to at one time before your wife goes 
ballastic....LOL

BTW no one answered on what type of hose to use from the resevoir to the master or 
slave..........rubeer or noeprene etc.....what is the most brake fluid resistant..........

Cheers
Bill Robertson
_________________________________________________________________




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From kkinard at att.net  Wed Nov  5 13:42:32 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:42:32 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
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	<64A4E34E9F5D4C6DB185ED0E137B9DEF@rw>
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Hi Bill,
I'm sorry.  I thought you got an answer on your hose question...neoprene 
vacuum hose is fine.  I have seen the car that Rudiger referenced on my 
last trip to NZ.   I have the original article somewhere that says who 
prepared the car.  I won't be home 'til 10:00 pm, but I think I can lay 
my hands on the magazine pretty quickly.  Meanwhile, look at the 
homemade air dam on the front of the Team Willpower car.  
www.teamwillpower.org.

Roverly,
Kent K.



RoverP6 at gmx.de wrote:
>
>
> http://www.groundsky.co.nz/index.php?Action=VEN&EventCode=0802&EntrantID=8767 
>
>
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Bill Robertson" 
> <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
> An: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:06
> Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
>
>
>
> Ok i've got as far as tracing the article to a Simon Craig...he's in 
> New Zealand.............anyone have any knowledge of him and maybe an 
> email address........I've contacted the P6 Owners Club but they cold 
> shouldered me for not being a member........Like how many clubs can 
> you belong to at one time before your wife goes ballastic....LOL
>
> BTW no one answered on what type of hose to use from the resevoir to 
> the master or slave..........rubeer or noeprene etc.....what is the 
> most brake fluid resistant..........
>
> Cheers
> Bill Robertson
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Wed Nov  5 14:06:52 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:06:52 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
References: <BAY119-W49DF94B346B76B283C9B4FDE1F0@phx.gbl><64A4E34E9F5D4C6DB185ED0E137B9DEF@rw>
	<4911E918.3060509@att.net>
Message-ID: <FBE14FAC715C42918885871C57BE991D@rw>


http://www.roverp6.info/Fotos/VisitorGallery/BygoneRacer/Bygone_racer.htm


Rudiger





-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
An: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:42
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again


Hi Bill,
I'm sorry.  I thought you got an answer on your hose question...neoprene
vacuum hose is fine.  I have seen the car that Rudiger referenced on my
last trip to NZ.   I have the original article somewhere that says who
prepared the car.  I won't be home 'til 10:00 pm, but I think I can lay
my hands on the magazine pretty quickly.  Meanwhile, look at the
homemade air dam on the front of the Team Willpower car.
www.teamwillpower.org.

Roverly,
Kent K.



RoverP6 at gmx.de wrote:
>
>
> http://www.groundsky.co.nz/index.php?Action=VEN&EventCode=0802&EntrantID=8767
>
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
> An: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:06
> Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
>
>
>
> Ok i've got as far as tracing the article to a Simon Craig...he's in New 
> Zealand.............anyone have any knowledge of him and maybe an email 
> address........I've contacted the P6 Owners Club but they cold shouldered me for not 
> being a member........Like how many clubs can you belong to at one time before your wife 
> goes ballastic....LOL
>
> BTW no one answered on what type of hose to use from the resevoir to the master or 
> slave..........rubeer or noeprene etc.....what is the most brake fluid 
> resistant..........
>
> Cheers
> Bill Robertson
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Wed Nov  5 14:10:27 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:10:27 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Improving the P6 again
In-Reply-To: <FBE14FAC715C42918885871C57BE991D@rw>
References: <BAY119-W49DF94B346B76B283C9B4FDE1F0@phx.gbl><64A4E34E9F5D4C6DB185ED0E137B9DEF@rw><4911E918.3060509@att.net>
	<FBE14FAC715C42918885871C57BE991D@rw>
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Very very interesting.
Thanks, Rudiger. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di RoverP6 at gmx.de
Inviato: mercoled? 5 novembre 2008 20.07
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again


http://www.roverp6.info/Fotos/VisitorGallery/BygoneRacer/Bygone_racer.htm


Rudiger





-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
An: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:42
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again


Hi Bill,
I'm sorry.  I thought you got an answer on your hose question...neoprene
vacuum hose is fine.  I have seen the car that Rudiger referenced on my
last trip to NZ.   I have the original article somewhere that says who
prepared the car.  I won't be home 'til 10:00 pm, but I think I can lay
my hands on the magazine pretty quickly.  Meanwhile, look at the
homemade air dam on the front of the Team Willpower car.
www.teamwillpower.org.

Roverly,
Kent K.



RoverP6 at gmx.de wrote:
>
>
> http://www.groundsky.co.nz/index.php?Action=VEN&EventCode=0802&EntrantID=8767
>
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
> An: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2008 19:06
> Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
>
>
>
> Ok i've got as far as tracing the article to a Simon Craig...he's in New 
> Zealand.............anyone have any knowledge of him and maybe an email 
> address........I've contacted the P6 Owners Club but they cold shouldered me for not 
> being a member........Like how many clubs can you belong to at one time before your wife 
> goes ballastic....LOL
>
> BTW no one answered on what type of hose to use from the resevoir to the master or 
> slave..........rubeer or noeprene etc.....what is the most brake fluid 
> resistant..........
>
> Cheers
> Bill Robertson
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 16:28:34 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:28:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet attachments
In-Reply-To: <64A4E34E9F5D4C6DB185ED0E137B9DEF@rw>
Message-ID: <168540.22598.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
May I take this opportunity to remind subscribers that the Rovernet mailing list does not accept attachments.

Although some attachments may be innocent enough, it always has been the goal of the Rovernet to protect members against SPAM and malicious attachments.  I am battling a Trojan on my desktop computer and so I intend to continue with the protection of our members on this list.

Apologies to people who would like to add more visuals to Rovernet discussions.

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From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 16:29:21 2008
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:29:21 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <011a01c93f8d$921afa70$b650ef50$@net>

I have a few spares. Where are you located?

AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Steven Dibdin
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:33 PM
To: RoverNet
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps


Hi All,
 
Does anybody know where I can get the inner sealed beam headlamp for my
series 1 2000 TC? My one is winking at things....
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Steven
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 17:37:14 2008
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:37:14 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps
In-Reply-To: <011a01c93f8d$921afa70$b650ef50$@net>
References: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl> 
	<011a01c93f8d$921afa70$b650ef50$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W27149A25EBF4D9F422EA9BB01F0@phx.gbl>


Hi Jeff,
 
I'm in New Jersey. Would that be any use? If not I'd be happy to pay for them and for mailing costs.
 
Cheers,
 
Steven

> From: geffandjulie at comcast.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:29:21 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps
> 
> I have a few spares. Where are you located?
> 
> AvMedSafe
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
> Portland OR 97210
> 503-241-8468
> 503-799-3809 mobile
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Steven Dibdin
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:33 PM
> To: RoverNet
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inner sealed beam lamps
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anybody know where I can get the inner sealed beam headlamp for my
> series 1 2000 TC? My one is winking at things....
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Steven
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From kkinard at att.net  Wed Nov  5 22:54:46 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:54:46 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6 again
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W49DF94B346B76B283C9B4FDE1F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W49DF94B346B76B283C9B4FDE1F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49126A86.2070105@att.net>

Hi Bill et al,
The article "Agent Orange"was originally published in the November 2004 
issue of New Zealand Classic Car and was written by Tim Nevinson with 
photos by Sean Craig and Ground-Sky Photography.  Owner/constructor is:

Malcolm Clark
By-Gone Auto Services Ltd.
Unit 9
318 Beach Haven Road
Beach Haven
North Shore City
Auckland 0626
New Zealand

Telephone: (09) 4833991

Can't get an email address, though.

Do you want me to copy the article and snail mail it to you?  I can do a 
colour copy in 11"x17".

Roverly,
Kent K.


From adrian.mcdonald at live.com  Thu Nov  6 00:41:01 2008
From: adrian.mcdonald at live.com (Adrian McDonald)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:41:01 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Overfilling the Final Drive
Message-ID: <BLU146-W27F405E7CC2A704F3EA4989E1E0@phx.gbl>


Hello All
 
I am curious about the Workshop Manual statements regarding overfilling the final drive. The description implies that the world may end if this is overfilled, however it looks innocent enough to me.  What nasty outcome will there be if overfilled either by ignorance or stupidity?
 
Thanks
Adrian
(50% of current Rover inventory with final drive front seal leaks)
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com  Thu Nov  6 00:55:36 2008
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:55:36 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Overfilling the Final Drive
References: <BLU146-W27F405E7CC2A704F3EA4989E1E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005601c93fd4$4a262400$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>

As I understand, the half shaft seals fail and diff oil wrecks the 
effectiveness of the rear brakes

Cheers Roger
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To: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:41 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Overfilling the Final Drive


>
> Hello All
>
> I am curious about the Workshop Manual statements regarding overfilling 
> the final drive. The description implies that the world may end if this is 
> overfilled, however it looks innocent enough to me.  What nasty outcome 
> will there be if overfilled either by ignorance or stupidity?
>
> Thanks
> Adrian
> (50% of current Rover inventory with final drive front seal leaks)
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From magnet at roverclub.org  Fri Nov  7 19:52:59 2008
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Front brake discs
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W9CBE641946064DB368460DE1D0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY106-W28FE0570816D29E9EC7B30B01D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP449B253CCE6E8B10C0BA491180@phx.gbl>

This may be of some interest to fellow P6B owners.  A few weeks ago I 
read a posting on the Australian Rovernet that new front brake discs for 
the P6B were no longer available in Australia, and apparently not in the 
UK either.  There was a proposal to get a supply custom manufactured 
locally if the demand warranted.

As I needed new discs for the 1970 P6B I'm currently working on, I 
thought I'd better look into the matter.  I checked my friendly local 
British car parts dealer (Nemac Distributors, in Newmarket, Ontario), 
and he confirmed that Quinton Hazell, from whom he got his stock, no 
longer list the front discs for the P6B.  He had three on the shelf, so 
I bought two.  He spent a few days trying to find another supplier and 
later told me he had found a source, but wasn't going to order any more 
for stock, as the demand is very low.  If someone wanted a set, he could 
get them, but they would cost something in excess of $200 Cdn each (of 
course they're made from that rare alloy, Unobtainium).

If anyone is thinking about new front discs for a P6B, it might be a 
good plan to act before all the old stock disappears off dealers' shelves...

Cheers,

 -- Bill Daddis

T.A.R.C.

==============================================================================================




From roverman2 at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 22:23:13 2008
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:23:13 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] SD! woes
Message-ID: <D54B7A0C-22F3-4AA6-BE04-F97BEB0FE18F@verizon.net>

Hi group.

I'm fed up with the lousy idle on both of my fuel injected SD1's. I  
don't have a working gas analyzer, and tweaking the air bleed screw  
on the airflow meter doesn't seem to do anything. The cars are in  
good tune. One has NADA specs and is factory stock. I suppose I  
should check the oxygen sensors. The other has UK EFI specs with no  
O2 sensors. The dreaded low speed pulse has gotten worse on tthis one  
since my correct UK ECU packed up - I had to put a NADA ECU in it  
until I can repair or find another UK ECU.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Dermot Harvey
1980 NADA 3500 SD1 Automatic
1980 NADA 3500 SD1 5 speed with UK EFI mods.


From peterhut at melbpc.org.au  Sat Nov  8 08:34:33 2008
From: peterhut at melbpc.org.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:34:33 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Improving the P6
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W441583907A026E3A927588DE1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-W441583907A026E3A927588DE1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <q35bh4hpoqfvv9vn4e2a5tu1ecdfsa9bs1@4ax.com>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:53:56 +0000, you wrote:


> 
>I'm still looking for an air dam for the V8 that Scotts old rubber sold years ago..........if anyone knows of one could they let me know.......i'd like to buy one or make at least make a template....

Do you mean this one?
http://www.rovercarclubaust.asn.au/images/IMG_2394.jpg
It was a RCCA club project, Scott, being a member also took some to
sell thru his shop to get the numbers up to make the project
worthwhile. It was a number of years ago now, and there are no plans
to produce more, in fact I am not sure what has happened to the mould.




Cheers,

Peter Huttemeier
Webmaster 
Rover Car Club of Australia Inc
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From gbbourque at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  8 08:57:09 2008
From: gbbourque at hotmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:57:09 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1970 p6B 3500S for sale
Message-ID: <BAY116-W23AAF34EA76D3DE4D8863BA1180@phx.gbl>


Hello all,
  I have a 1970 3500s NADA V8 car for sale.  It was last on the road in 1980 in Georgia and has a very sound body.  The car comes with an engine, original to my own 3500S, with less than 100K and new head gaskets but no intake manifold.  The car is a good parts car or the basis of a restoration with another parts car.  The car is now green but originally was corsica blue.  There are some dents in the left rear door and fender and in the air intake below the front bumper.  Interior complete, have correct bumpers, even have an additional and better carpet set, some other trim and parts included.  I will sell all or a part if you need it.
Car located in Jefferson, Maine USA
Garrett Bourque
207 549 5345
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From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Nov  8 23:53:12 2008
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:53:12 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P5b Racing
Message-ID: <cf9.46ee1dad.3647c6b8@aol.com>


  Sorry Peter,
                    I came across the link in BruceRover's newsletter the 
friday before last.

   I have some original stuff from Speed on Tweed that I will have make time 
to spread around soon.

     Regards,
                   MWJ.
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sun Nov  9 05:00:43 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover publication on ebay
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Never seen before !

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110146680843&_trksid=p2759.l1259


Rudiger
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com  Mon Nov 10 00:57:41 2008
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:57:41 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
Message-ID: <003701c942f9$3e4ea080$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>

Hi all,

On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical problem to the instruments.  I have removed each one and cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing circuit board.  Of course when it is in peices all circuits measure to be working fine.  I have contemplated puting a little solder blob to increase the contact but the problem may be elsewhere.  Has anyone had this experience?  Any suggestions?

Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson  
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 01:25:47 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:25:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
In-Reply-To: <003701c942f9$3e4ea080$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>
Message-ID: <1251497978.532931226298347030.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Generally, both the fuel and temperature gauges are fed by a "voltage stabilizer". If this is intermittent, it will cause both of these gauges to react together. The fuel and temp gauges are normally identical, electrically. In other words, for trouble shooting, you can substitute one for the other to determine if it is the gauge or sending unit that is at fault. 

Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger. Matheson " <roger. matheson @ bigpond .com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet .ca> 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:57:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments 


Hi all, 

On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical problem to the instruments.? I have removed each one and cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing?circuit board.? Of course when it is?in peices all circuits?measure to be?working fine.? I have contemplated puting a little solder blob to increase the contact but the?problem may be elsewhere.? Has anyone had this experience?? Any suggestions? 

Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson ?? 
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From lingfield51 at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 10 06:25:48 2008
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (JULIET KEILER)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:25:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Part No Query
Message-ID: <840361.29971.qm@web86011.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I recently came by a very early P6 200 engine and am trying to establish it's approx age/identity. I know it is an very early one as it has no cast boss at the front for an engine No. to be stamped but unfortuately the usual place where it is stamped (at the back oil pump side at the top/side of side cover plate) is blank so it has either been ground off or was never there in the first place. Would a re-con engine have had a Part No ?

I have stripped it down and obtained the following part nos, Piston 550089 which is a good number according to my 1970 Rover price guide but I cannot find it anywhere in the P6 parts books not the early Red 2000 or 2000TC parts?books or the later White?all encompassing one. The very early book does list the pistons starting 550090 onwards, could 550089 of been the original factory fit? The big end shells have 530536 stamped on them but I cannot find evidence of this number anywhere. Anyone any ideas or can help

It came with? the early type block breather and seperate oil pump/distributor shaft chain wheels if that helps.

Thanks

Alan Francis (partviking)
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 10 13:00:30 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:00:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Part No Query
Message-ID: <375203.50584.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alan,
Although I haven't read this copy on the Rovernet, I went and checked my references.  My earliest 1963 Rover microfiches do not come close to this number.  My red 1964 parts book (#4702) shows a piston, 550090, with greater numbers following.  I even looked in my 3 Litre parts book and the piston numbers are completely out of that sequence.

I hope that someone else will have a quill-pen, handwritten, first parts sheet with that number you need :-))

Warmest regards,

Eric



Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, JULIET KEILER <lingfield51 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> From: JULIET KEILER <lingfield51 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Part No Query
> To: p6rovers at yahoo.com
> Cc: "Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 3:25 AM
> I recently came by a very early P6 200 engine and am trying
> to establish it's approx age/identity. I know it is an
> very early one as it has no cast boss at the front for an
> engine No. to be stamped but unfortuately the usual place
> where it is stamped (at the back oil pump side at the
> top/side of side cover plate) is blank so it has either been
> ground off or was never there in the first place. Would a
> re-con engine have had a Part No ?
> 
> I have stripped it down and obtained the following part
> nos, Piston 550089 which is a good number according to my
> 1970 Rover price guide but I cannot find it anywhere in the
> P6 parts books not the early Red 2000 or 2000TC parts?books
> or the later White?all encompassing one. The very early
> book does list the pistons starting 550090 onwards, could
> 550089 of been the original factory fit? The big end shells
> have 530536 stamped on them but I cannot find evidence of
> this number anywhere. Anyone any ideas or can help
> 
> It came with? the early type block breather and seperate
> oil pump/distributor shaft chain wheels if that helps.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alan Francis (partviking)



      


From lingfield51 at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 10 14:33:25 2008
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (JULIET KEILER)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:33:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Part No Query
Message-ID: <643324.69472.qm@web86006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>



> I recently came by a very early P6 200 engine and am trying
> to establish it's approx age/identity. I know it is an
> very early one as it has no cast boss at the front for an
> engine No. to be stamped but unfortuately the usual place
> where it is stamped (at the back oil pump side at the
> top/side of side cover plate) is blank so it has either been
> ground off or was never there in the first place. Would a
> re-con engine have had a Part No ?
> 
> I have stripped it down and obtained the following part
> nos, Piston 550089 which is a good number according to my
> 1970 Rover price guide but I cannot find it anywhere in the
> P6 parts books not the early Red 2000 or 2000TC parts?books
> or the later White?all encompassing one. The very early
> book does list the pistons starting 550090 onwards, could
> 550089 of been the original factory fit? The big end shells
> have 530536 stamped on them but I cannot find evidence of
> this number anywhere. Anyone any ideas or can help
> 
> It came with? the early type block breather and seperate
> oil pump/distributor shaft chain wheels if that helps.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alan Francis (partviking)
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 14:54:15 2008
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:54:15 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Kind of Brake fluids used
Message-ID: <BAY119-W8F0A6DEB399CE7E9B3219DE1A0@phx.gbl>


I don't want to start another fluid fiasco but was wondering if anyone has tried other than Castrol Lma any of the other Higher rated fluids but of course not silicone based...........Dot 3 or Dot 4 or Dot 5.1 etc..............After the last diatrade made me wonder about my Ford based 550 degree dot 3 fluid..........been using it since earky 70's.....yes excellent pedal feel right away and since i change it every year and its cheap that this suited me fine............Reading up on the vast array of whats out there now  i'm thinking that maybe Amsoil dot 3 (still relatively cheap, but more than regular dot 3) or ATE super blue (a little more expensive again than  Amsoil)...........The Amsoil is good for 525/313  degrees and the ATE super Blue is good for 536/396 degrees................Pedal feel is real good according to my friend in his Subaru STi with almost no fade whatssoever....................The ATE is supposedly good for 3 years between changes too
Is there any sense in trying any of these.......I do have braided lines on the car and run Greenstuff front pads so i thought since i've upgraded those maybe its time to look at upgrading the fluid too..............or will i ruin the seals
 
Just something to think about
Bill Robertson
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Mon Nov 10 17:10:29 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 with Triplex glass roof
References: <840361.29971.qm@web86011.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rccapics/3017363847/


Rudiger
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From roverman2 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 10 20:48:12 2008
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:48:12 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] EFI Woes
Message-ID: <0A681DC6-877D-4CF7-AA74-94E4C774D0AC@verizon.net>

Hi Group,

Thanks Glenn and Kent for your observations. I guess I should check  
airflow meters, Oxygen sensors and of course vacuum leaks!
Glenn, my UK spec car without Lambda sensors is doing exactly what  
you said - idle goes to hell after about 20 minutes. The "UK" ECU  
which went bad is a Lucas 4CU unit with part number 83986A. The NADA  
4CU units which are designed to work with Lambda sensors have the  
part number 83617A.
If you happen to have a 83986A that would be great! I got my last one  
from Franc Buxton, but he has moved on from SD1's and is now working  
for RPI. No luck in getting a used one from Ian at Rover Classics in  
the UK.
I tried swapping out the Airflow meter today, but no improvement.  
Couldn't find any vacuum leaks. The car starts fine and idles well at  
fast idle for a few minutes.The RPM then drops to around 800 and the  
dreaded pulsing starts. I guess I will have to pull out the 'scope  
and check the O2 sensors. Throttle potentiometer? Extra air valve? A  
sensor? Low grade ignition problem? I did note today that at the  
bottom of the idle pulse there was a possible misfire on a few  
cylinders. The cyclical nature of the RPM pulse suggests that some  
form of feedback is at play.
Ah Well! I miss the diagnostics on my fuel injected 1994 Range Rover.

Dermot Harvey


From roger.matheson at bigpond.com  Tue Nov 11 06:08:16 2008
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:08:16 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
References: <1251497978.532931226298347030.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004901c943ed$cc369890$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>

Hi Slats

Where is the voltage stabilizer located?

Cheers Roger 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: slatskars at comcast.net 
  To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
  Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments


  Generally, both the fuel and temperature gauges are fed by a "voltage stabilizer". If this is intermittent, it will cause both of these gauges to react together. The fuel and temp gauges are normally identical, electrically. In other words, for trouble shooting, you can substitute one for the other to determine if it is the gauge or sending unit that is at fault.

  Slats
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:57:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments



  Hi all,

  On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical problem to the instruments.  I have removed each one and cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing circuit board.  Of course when it is in peices all circuits measure to be working fine.  I have contemplated puting a little solder blob to increase the contact but the problem may be elsewhere.  Has anyone had this experience?  Any suggestions?

  Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson  

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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca  Tue Nov 11 08:12:28 2008
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Wing Mirrors
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Hi Folks
            If anyone is interested I have a pair of NOS Desmo Boomerang long arm wing mirrors the Unipart number #1XGAM101 the chrome is beautiful. They would be very suitable for  P4 & 5's but not the P6. There is a photo and details on my web page listed below. On the menu go to "My Cars" and scroll to bottom of page.
Contact me off line if interested at irishrover1 at sympatico.ca 
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 12:48:19 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:48:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
In-Reply-To: <004901c943ed$cc369890$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>
Message-ID: <256567.93496.qm@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

IIRC it's behind the instrument cluster.

Eric


Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> wrote:

> From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:08 AM
> Hi Slats
> 
> Where is the voltage stabilizer located?
> 
> Cheers Roger 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: slatskars at comcast.net 
>   To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. 
>   Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
> 
> 
>   Generally, both the fuel and temperature gauges are fed
> by a "voltage stabilizer". If this is
> intermittent, it will cause both of these gauges to react
> together. The fuel and temp gauges are normally identical,
> electrically. In other words, for trouble shooting, you can
> substitute one for the other to determine if it is the gauge
> or sending unit that is at fault.
> 
>   Slats
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Roger.Matheson"
> <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
>   To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>   Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:57:41 PM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
>   Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
> 
> 
> 
>   Hi all,
> 
>   On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature
> gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical
> problem to the instruments.  I have removed each one and
> cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing
> circuit board.  Of course when it is in peices all circuits
> measure to be working fine.  I have contemplated puting a
> little solder blob to increase the contact but the problem
> may be elsewhere.  Has anyone had this experience?  Any
> suggestions?
> 
>   Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson  
> 
>   _______________________________________________ Rovernet
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From gharrower200 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 13:46:11 2008
From: gharrower200 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:46:11 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
Message-ID: <4919D2F3.9040802@gmail.com>

I'd like to keep the original battery cables on my P5, but the 
screw-down connectors don't make good contact on the battery I have 
because its terminals are smaller.  Does anyone have a suggestion for 
adapting the cables or the battery terminals?

Thanks, Gordon.


From danenberg123 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 14:08:22 2008
From: danenberg123 at yahoo.com (Bo Danenberger)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:08:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
In-Reply-To: <4919D2F3.9040802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <887388.81304.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

.........my solution was to take?two 1/4" wide strips of shim brass 1 1/2" long. Make a cross and drill a small right in the middle. Screw the cross to the terminal...fold down sides...trim and shape?to fit ....remove screw...place cable end on and put screw in and tighten!
Bo Danenberger.......Illinois
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Gordon Harrower <gharrower200 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Gordon Harrower <gharrower200 at gmail.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 12:46 PM

I'd like to keep the original battery cables on my P5, but the screw-down
connectors don't make good contact on the battery I have because its
terminals are smaller.  Does anyone have a suggestion for adapting the cables or
the battery terminals?

Thanks, Gordon.

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From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu  Tue Nov 11 14:32:18 2008
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:32:18 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
References: <4919D2F3.9040802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D871877B3F1C4E3090DF3A5B2BDEFE3D@your7745395e08>

I've not tried to source them lately because a have a few around that I call 
upon once in a while, but auto supplies used to carry thimble-like slotted 
lead shims for that very purpose.  Perhaps such things in pure lead have 
been phased out as a toxic and environmentally unfriendly product.  They 
were especially handy for the positive ground cars where terminal size was 
the reverse of normal more modern cable clamps.

Hank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Harrower" <gharrower200 at gmail.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:46 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables


> I'd like to keep the original battery cables on my P5, but the
> screw-down connectors don't make good contact on the battery I have
> because its terminals are smaller.  Does anyone have a suggestion for
> adapting the cables or the battery terminals?
>
> Thanks, Gordon.
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 11 21:59:48 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Wiring
Message-ID: <193938.10384.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I have had a recent email exchange with a very responsive company that sells wire, wire components, and wiring harnesses (or looms) for Rovers.

Learn more about this company and see appropriate links to them through our "links" page:

http://www.roverclub.ca/links.htm

Eric Russell
(List Manager)


Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Tue Nov 11 22:27:27 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:27:27 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Wiring
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Yes, British Wiring is a good outfit. Only place I know of to get  
proper looking fabric covered wire for the earlier British cars (I say  
looking because they use modern wire and plastic insulation  
underneath, which is a good thing).

Yours
Vern
On 11-Nov-08, at 6:59 PM, Eric Russell wrote:

> Hi,
> I have had a recent email exchange with a very responsive company  
> that sells wire, wire components, and wiring harnesses (or looms)  
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 01:43:43 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:43:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments
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Hi Roger, 



Not certain on a P-6, but all that I have ever seen are mounted either on ther back side of the dash or just below it. They are generally a quite small item. Perhaps someone with a good P-6 manual can identify the location. The input to it should be a green wire and the output light green with a green tracer. Hope that helps. 



Slats 
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:08:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments 

Hi Slats Where is the voltage stabilizer located? Cheers Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: slatskars at comcast.net To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments Generally, both the fuel and temperature gauges are fed by a "voltage stabilizer". If this is intermittent, it will cause both of these gauges to react together. The fuel and temp gauges are normally identical, electrically. In other words, for trouble shooting, you can substitute one for the other to determine if it is the gauge or sending unit that is at fault. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger.Matheson" To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:57:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments Hi all, On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical problem to the instruments. I have removed each one and cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing circuit board. Of course when it is in peices all circuits measure to be working fine. I have contemplated puting a little solder blob to increase the contact but the problem may be elsewhere. Has anyone had this experience? Any suggestions? Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson _______________________________________________ Rovernet mailing list Rovernet at rovernet.ca Here is where you can change your settings such as digest mode or no-mail: http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Here is the old Rovernet archives: http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/ Join the Back-up list and post photos at: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rovernet mailing list Rovernet at rovernet.ca Here is where you can change your settings such as digest mode or no-mail: http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Here is the old Rovernet archives: http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/ Join the Back-up list and post photos at: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 2:14 PM 
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 06:37:44 2008
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:37:44 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BR1301-00-NOS-Smiths-Instrument-Voltage-Regulator-MG-TR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem130268519539QQitemZ130268519539QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

The voltage regulator on my Rover 2000TC looks something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BR1301-00-NOS-Smiths-Instrument-Voltage-Regulator-MG-TR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem130268519539QQitemZ130268519539QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

And is on the back of the instrument cluster.



James.



> 
> 
> Hi Roger, 
> 
> 
> 
> Not certain on a P-6, but all that I have ever seen are mounted either on ther back side of the dash or just below it. They are generally a quite small item. Perhaps someone with a good P-6 manual can identify the location. The input to it should be a green wire and the output light green with a green tracer. Hope that helps. 
> 
> 
> 
> Slats 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roger.Matheson" <roger.matheson at bigpond.com> 
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca> 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:08:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments 
> 
> Hi Slats Where is the voltage stabilizer located? Cheers Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: slatskars at comcast.net To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments Generally, both the fuel and temperature gauges are fed by a "voltage stabilizer". If this is intermittent, it will cause both of these gauges to react together. The fuel and temp gauges are normally identical, electrically. In other words, for trouble shooting, you can substitute one for the other to determine if it is the gauge or sending unit that is at fault. Slats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger.Matheson" To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:57:41 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Instruments Hi all, On my 74 2000 TC the oil pressure, fuel and temperature gauge intermittently read zero, and I assume an electrical problem to the instruments. I have removed each one and cleaned the contacts between the instrument and the backing circuit board. Of course when it is in peices all circuits measure to be working fine. I have contemplated puting a little solder blob to increase the contact but the problem may be elsewhere. Has anyone had this experience? Any suggestions? Cheers from Oz Roger Matheson _______________________________________________ Rovernet mailing list Rovernet at rovernet.ca Here is where you can change your settings such as digest mode or no-mail: http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Here is the old Rovernet archives: http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/ Join the Back-up list and post photos at: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Rovernet mailing list Rovernet at rovernet.ca Here is where you can change your settings such as digest mode or no-mail: http://rovernet.ca/mailman/listinfo/rovernet_rovernet.ca Here is the old Rovernet archives: http://www.rovernet.ca/Old..Archives/ Join the Back-up list and post photos at: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1778 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 2:14 PM 
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 15:15:11 2008
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] V8 Distributor vacuum unit
Message-ID: <001c01c94503$5ef62d60$1ce28820$@net>

Diaphragm gone. Need a new unit for 70 NADA 3500S.  Anyone have a source??

 

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From pfvandermeulen at cs.com  Wed Nov 12 15:26:18 2008
From: pfvandermeulen at cs.com (petervandermeulen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:26:18 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] V8 Distributor vacuum unit
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hello, what is the number stampt on the distributor?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Geff McCarthy 
  To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:15 PM
  Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] V8 Distributor vacuum unit


  Diaphragm gone. Need a new unit for 70 NADA 3500S.  Anyone have a source??

   

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From slatskars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 16:44:14 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:44:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] V8 Distributor vacuum unit
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Geff , 



Call Jeff at Advanced Distributors (612) 804 5543. He will rebuild your vacuum advance for about $30. I don't know what the cost of a new one for your P-6B would be, but MGB's are running $80 from MOSS. Jeff, really knows what he is doing and will rebuild an entire distributor for about $130 worst case situation and re curve it for your engine. He has a fact sheet that you fill out on his website, describing what engine and possible modifications have been made to it (cam, etc.). He then builds the curve to suit the engine and today's lousy fuel. A very good resource. His website is advanceddistributors .com or just google Lucas Distributors to find him. He is located in Shakopee , MN. 



Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Geff McCarthy" < geffandjulie @comcast.net> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet .ca> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:15:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] V8 Distributor vacuum unit 




Diaphragm gone. Need a new unit for 70 NADA 3500S.? Anyone have a source?? 



AvMedSafe 

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677 NW Melinda Ave 

Portland OR 97210 

503-241-8468 

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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Fri Nov 14 03:12:08 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:12:08 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
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http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110299342297&_trksid=e
11010.m204&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D8&ssPageNam
e=ADME:B:WNA:IT:1123

Auction ended, but beautiful car.
 
Best regards, Gianluca.
 

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From gwlucas at granite.mb.ca  Tue Nov 11 10:59:13 2008
From: gwlucas at granite.mb.ca (Glen and Wendy Lucas)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:59:13 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 Tool Kit
Message-ID: <01C94623.358ECB00.gwlucas@granite.mb.ca>

Hi,

I have been attempting to find the three wrenches originally installed in 
the 1960 Rover P4 100 for some time.  I am beginning to think they may be 
more difficult to find than I had thought.  However, it may be that I am 
looking for the wrong items.  Can anyone tell me exactly what I need? 
 Perhaps if there is another 1960 100 out there, the owner could confirm 
the sizes and manufacturer's markings?   Could a picture be included in the 
reply?

Thanks so much and regards,

Glen Lucas



From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 10:41:37 2008
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:41:37 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
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Message-ID: <BAY106-W42E9BB99E794399BAFA94BB0160@phx.gbl>


Hi Gianluca,
 
I just checked the P6 out on ebay in English. It seems that it's still for sale as a classified ad. For those of us who have terrible italian skills (none). Here's the link to to Ebay UK:
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110299342297&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D110299342297%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
 
Cheers,
 
Steven

From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it  Fri Nov 14 11:22:29 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:22:29 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
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Very kind of you.
Yes, it is.

I hadn' t seen it, and in my opinion 3295 pounds could be an acceptable price - not economic of course - for such a car.

Best regards, Gianluca. 

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Steven Dibdin
Inviato: venerd? 14 novembre 2008 16.42
A: RoverNet
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK


Hi Gianluca,
 
I just checked the P6 out on ebay in English. It seems that it's still for sale as a classified ad. For those of us who have terrible italian skills (none). Here's the link to to Ebay UK:
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110299342297&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D110299342297%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
 
Cheers,
 
Steven
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From roverfreak619 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 18:02:20 2008
From: roverfreak619 at yahoo.com (nelson oriley)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:02:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] p6 rover sell on ebay
Message-ID: <701666.70254.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


 
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=26031617291 
   
 
this is a US, California car 
P6 Rover 1968 TC2000  with A/C ,with factory add-onLucas fog/spot lights
>From Nelson  O     619-925-5538
roverfreak619 at yahoo.com      


      


From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Fri Nov 14 22:24:14 2008
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 Tool Kit
In-Reply-To: <01C94623.358ECB00.gwlucas@granite.mb.ca>
References: <01C94623.358ECB00.gwlucas@granite.mb.ca>
Message-ID: <491E40DE.8020909@alum.swarthmore.edu>

Hello Glen,

We have a 1960 100 also -- in Massachusetts.  I'll take a photo of the 
tool tray this weekend if I can get into the storage garage where we are 
keeping it. 

The car is blue, but for some reason it acquired a black touch up 
paint.  Otherwise, I think all the tools are original or like original.

--Steve Manwell

Glen and Wendy Lucas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been attempting to find the three wrenches originally installed in 
> the 1960 Rover P4 100 for some time.  I am beginning to think they may be 
> more difficult to find than I had thought.  However, it may be that I am 
> looking for the wrong items.  Can anyone tell me exactly what I need? 
>  Perhaps if there is another 1960 100 out there, the owner could confirm 
> the sizes and manufacturer's markings?   Could a picture be included in the 
> reply?
>
> Thanks so much and regards,
>
> Glen Lucas
>
>
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From roverfreak619 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 15 13:16:32 2008
From: roverfreak619 at yahoo.com (nelson oriley)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:16:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] p6 rover sell on ebay
Message-ID: <988032.5613.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Here is the Ebay item number   #                         260316172910

For sale on Ebay a P6 Rover TC 2000 yellow, California car, original paint 
>From Nelson O'
619-925-5539



      


From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sat Nov 15 13:26:24 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:26:24 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] p6 rover sell on ebay
References: <988032.5613.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <897A13E67C874EFA829F84EB83275F1A@rw>


Always good to know one more existing P6 far away from home country UK  :-)

Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info


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Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] p6 rover sell on ebay


> Here is the Ebay item number   #                         260316172910
>
> For sale on Ebay a P6 Rover TC 2000 yellow, California car, original paint
>>>From Nelson O'
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From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 23:52:38 2008
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:52:38 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake Fluid
Message-ID: <d49.3743b1e5.36510116@aol.com>


     Hi All,
               Did anybody mention this link,  
www.team.net/sol/tech/dot5.html

     It is on the Scions of Lucas site. By the way, I saw  Castrol Dot 4 
"Responce" Brake Fluid for sale in my local Woolworths supermarket yesterday. LMA 
was supposed to stand for " Low Moisture Absorbsion" . I haven't heard the 
term "hygroscopic" mentioned yet.

    Regards,
                  MWJ.
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From MarkCoorparoo at aol.com  Sat Nov 15 23:58:46 2008
From: MarkCoorparoo at aol.com (MarkCoorparoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:58:46 EST
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake Fluid 2
Message-ID: <d3b.2ee8bdb0.36510286@aol.com>



   I just found this,    www.team.net/sol/tech/fluidcht.html

      MWJ
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From gharrower200 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 14:41:02 2008
From: gharrower200 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
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Message-ID: <4920774E.9040103@gmail.com>

I found just what I needed, for $1.69, at Advance Auto Parts.  They're 
called "Battery Post Shims," and they were with the battery cables, next 
to the battery display.

Thanks for all advice,

Gordon.

Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
> I've not tried to source them lately because a have a few around that 
> I call upon once in a while, but auto supplies used to carry 
> thimble-like slotted lead shims for that very purpose.  Perhaps such 
> things in pure lead have been phased out as a toxic and 
> environmentally unfriendly product.  They were especially handy for 
> the positive ground cars where terminal size was the reverse of normal 
> more modern cable clamps.
>
> Hank
>
>
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> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Battery Cables
>
>
>> I'd like to keep the original battery cables on my P5, but the
>> screw-down connectors don't make good contact on the battery I have
>> because its terminals are smaller.  Does anyone have a suggestion for
>> adapting the cables or the battery terminals?
>>
>> Thanks, Gordon.
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Mon Nov 17 17:11:19 2008
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
Message-ID: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>

Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.

Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a good one to
restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had bronze
valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have been told
this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to unleaded
heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find locally is 91.
What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and
additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
Thanks!
Roy Babiuk 



From sdibdin at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 17:53:29 2008
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:53:29 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
References: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <BAY106-W490C959774E264C932B9EEB0130@phx.gbl>


Hi Roy,
 
We have 93 in NJ, not great but better than 91. The valve seats are normally what are changed for unleaded fuel. The standard ones can be too soft. This leads to valve seat recession, first signs are reduced power and reduced tappet clearences. Older cars if they havn't be used since the introduction of unleaded fuel can have what is refered to 'lead memory' This can protect the engine for a while. 
 
Personlly I use Re Line lead replacement, it's pretty economical and can be ordered online. There are a number of products out there and I belive the British motor heriage trust has a list of approved addiditives. Also Practical classics had a review of products about three to four months ago.
 
Hope that hopes somewhat,
 
Steven

From fjcumberland at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 18:32:51 2008
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:32:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
References: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <432915.21622.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Roy,

All my cars, including my '71 TC are still on "leaded" heads - I use Castrol Valvemaster.  I think hardened valve seats are all that differentiate an "unleaded" head from a leaded one.  i am more than willing to be corrected on this point!

My Rover needs a tune-up & the gear lever adjusted- can't wait for next weekend, when I'll finally have some time ot play w/the cars!!

HTH

Jim




________________________________
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:11:19 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives

Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.

Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a good one to
restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had bronze
valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have been told
this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to unleaded
heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find locally is 91.
What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and
additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
Thanks!
Roy Babiuk 


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From adrian.mcdonald at live.com  Mon Nov 17 19:10:23 2008
From: adrian.mcdonald at live.com (Adrian McDonald)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:10:23 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
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Take a look on the internet and check out "racing fuels" or something for local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a local (ish) 76 station that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their product line  It is $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill it up, then I mix with 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC. There are several of these stations around I think...
 
When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously on typical fuel that it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described, and things perked up no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the original factory 100 octane (UK) setting. 
 
Hope this helps
Adrian
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 17 19:34:37 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <C5473A17.6000%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <111366.52900.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The valves and seats are hard enough.

We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs).

I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum elsewhere. 

I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer to Top Dead Centre and things are good.

You may have to add an octane boost if you have an original 2000 TC engine and only can access 91 octane.

The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance may be a way to start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a degree wheel on the back.  That really helps when setting the timing with a light.

However, in short order, I imagine you get many more opinions on what you can do to solve your problem.  There are some very experienced Rover mechanics on this list.

Eric


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Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
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http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> 
> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking
> for a good one to
> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning,
> and had bronze
> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded
> fuel". I have been told
> this was unnecessary, but have found several references
> online to unleaded
> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can
> find locally is 91.
> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using
> for fuel and
> additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> Thanks!
> Roy Babiuk 
> 
> 
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu  Mon Nov 17 21:18:23 2008
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:23 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <111366.52900.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <111366.52900.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492225EF.9090004@alum.swarthmore.edu>

Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for 100 
octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a 
different formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the text 
below from   [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],  93 or 94 
octane at the pump in North America today is very close to 100 octane 
based on the RON method still used in Europe and formerly used in North 
America.

My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the valves 
and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On the other 
hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner had run with 
the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel and the pinging 
had caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.

--Steve Manwell

"The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research Octane 
Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable compression ratio 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio> under controlled 
conditions, and comparing the results with those for mixtures of 
iso-octane and n-heptane.

There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number* 
(*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of 
how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test 
engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a 
higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further stress the 
fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the 
MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the 
RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a 
minimum MON.

In most countries (including all of Europe 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe> and Australia 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the "headline" octane rating, 
shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the United States 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> and some other countries the 
headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called 
the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*), *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump 
Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R+M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point 
difference noted above, the octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 
points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" 
gasoline in the US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and 
Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada>, is 91-92 in Europe. 
However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 
90-91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."



Eric Russell wrote:
> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The valves and seats are hard enough.
>
> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs).
>
> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum elsewhere. 
>
> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
>
>
>   
>   


From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 23:24:32 2008
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:24:32 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
Message-ID: <204ec4390811172024t44b0cdf6x4929d97ca173ff1a@mail.gmail.com>

I found a couple of possibly useful sources while looking for
something else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or
Canada

P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that it's the perfect
concours winning replacement but anything is better than what is on my
cars at the moment

<http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>

Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500 listed in various
materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide selection of
colours,

<http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>

I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than the sets sold by
the UK specialists , but if you need a special colour or material they
are possibly worth considering; they do apparently have sets for the
trunk carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I think unique
to the "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I am aware, available from
the usual suspects in the UK

Aidrian


From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Tue Nov 18 02:58:26 2008
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:58:26 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <492225EF.9090004@alum.swarthmore.edu>
References: <111366.52900.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<492225EF.9090004@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <2FD59D805194484182F7892DA00E48EC@VISTA>

Running an SC on Low octane fuel (92?) resulted in the piston melting down 
to the top ring land.  Not good.
Since then I have used the "high" octane fuel here, 95 I think.  Have not 
had trouble.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S Manwell" <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives


> Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for 100 
> octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a different 
> formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the text below from 
> [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],  93 or 94 octane at the 
> pump in North America today is very close to 100 octane based on the RON 
> method still used in Europe and formerly used in North America.
>
> My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the valves 
> and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On the other 
> hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner had run with 
> the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel and the pinging had 
> caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
>
> --Steve Manwell
>
> "The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research Octane 
> Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable compression ratio 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio> under controlled 
> conditions, and comparing the results with those for mixtures of 
> iso-octane and n-heptane.
>
> There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number* 
> (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of 
> how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test 
> engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a 
> higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further stress the 
> fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON 
> of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. 
> Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.
>
> In most countries (including all of Europe 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe> and Australia 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the "headline" octane rating, 
> shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the United States 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> and some other countries the 
> headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called 
> the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*), *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump 
> Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R+M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point 
> difference noted above, the octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 
> points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" 
> gasoline in the US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada>, is 91-92 in Europe. However most 
> European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US 
> (R+M)/2, and some even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
>
>
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The 
>> valves and seats are hard enough.
>>
>> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there 
>> have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here 
>> that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs).
>>
>> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations such 
>> as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum 
>> elsewhere.
>> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1 
>> to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the 
>> original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer to Top 
>> Dead Centre and things are good.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From vern at inkspotco.com  Tue Nov 18 00:10:00 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <492225EF.9090004@alum.swarthmore.edu>
References: <111366.52900.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<492225EF.9090004@alum.swarthmore.edu>
Message-ID: <F18E10D2-8939-4D98-8D71-0E2D2223BA03@inkspotco.com>

Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem, in my experience  
(2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned one. Call it 30  
years ;-))

By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 + MON/2) 96 is the magic  
number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of the timing, in  
Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.

Yours
Vern


On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:

> Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for  
> 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a  
> different formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the  
> text below from   [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],   
> 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America today is very close to  
> 100 octane based on the RON method still used in Europe and formerly  
> used in North America.
>
> My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the  
> valves and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On  
> the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner  
> had run with the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel  
> and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
>
> --Steve Manwell
>
> "The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research  
> Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a  
> test engine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable  
> compression ratio <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>  
> under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those  
> for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
>
> There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number*  
> (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better  
> measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a  
> similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a  
> preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition  
> timing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further  
> stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of  
> the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points  
> lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a  
> minimum RON and a minimum MON.
>
> In most countries (including all of Europe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe 
> > and Australia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the  
> "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the  
> United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada 
> > and some other countries the headline number is the average of the  
> RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*),  
> *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R 
> +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the  
> octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the  
> same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the  
> US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada 
> >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON)  
> as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver  
> 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
>
>
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel.  
>> The valves and seats are hard enough.
>>
>> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and  
>> there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine  
>> out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two  
>> different TCs).
>>
>> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand  
>> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92  
>> as a maximum elsewhere.
>> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from  
>> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from  
>> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer  
>> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 07:48:27 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
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Personally , I would probably start with sending the distributor off to advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's fuels. 



Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com> 
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet .ca> 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives 

You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The valves and seats are hard enough. 

We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs ). 

I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum elsewhere. 

I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the original "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the timing closer to Top Dead Centre and things are good. 

You may have to add an octane boost if you have an original 2000 TC engine and only can access 91 octane. 

The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance may be a way to start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a degree wheel on the back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with a light. 

However, in short order, I imagine you get many more opinions on what you can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very experienced Rover mechanics on this list. 

Eric 


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--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net> wrote: 

> From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net> 
> Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives 
> To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca 
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM 
> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group. 
> 
> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking 
> for a good one to 
> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's. 
> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter. 
> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, 
> and had bronze 
> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded 
> fuel". I have been told 
> this was unnecessary, but have found several references 
> online to unleaded 
> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel? 
> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can 
> find locally is 91. 
> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using 
> for fuel and 
> additives both for lubrication and increased octane? 
> Thanks! 
> Roy Babiuk 
> 
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From slatskars at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 07:57:08 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
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Roy, 



I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the oil and the effect on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession. If the head is off it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and valves. 



Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives 

Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group. 

Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a good one to 
restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's. 
The engine will be rebuilt over the winter. 
The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had bronze 
valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have been told 
this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to unleaded 
heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel? 
When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find locally is 91. 
What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and 
additives both for lubrication and increased octane? 
Thanks! 
Roy Babiuk 


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From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 11:28:45 2008
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded conversion, fuel additives
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Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100 Octane Low Lead aircraft
fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at PDX...

AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
To: Rovernet
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives


Take a look on the internet and check out "racing fuels" or something for
local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a local (ish) 76 station
that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their product line  It is
$8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill it up, then I mix with
91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC. There are several of these
stations around I think...
 
When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously on typical fuel that
it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described, and things perked up
no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the original factory 100
octane (UK) setting. 
 
Hope this helps
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Tue Nov 18 09:01:48 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
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Dear Aidrian,

		thanks for the message.

Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims, bottoms, sills ant gear tunnel? 

It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman in udine, there are only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000 inhabitants, and at least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a confrontation.

By the way, he is a very kind man and we became friends, but AFTER A YEAR I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old original rubber carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut two sqares of rubber and to stick them in the feet position, where there is the square.

Thanks for your kind answer.

Best regards, Gianluca.




-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim

I found a couple of possibly useful sources while looking for something else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or Canada

P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that it's the perfect concours winning replacement but anything is better than what is on my cars at the moment

<http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>

Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500 listed in various materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide selection of colours,

<http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>

I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than the sets sold by the UK specialists , but if you need a special colour or material they are possibly worth considering; they do apparently have sets for the trunk carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I think unique to the "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I am aware, available from the usual suspects in the UK

Aidrian

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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 11:38:27 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:38:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
In-Reply-To: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012674D1@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
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Gianluca,
The Rovernet server choked with your message from the following address:
gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com

This is not the address with which you are registered on the Rovernet.
Because I recognized your name, I approved the message with this "non-member" address.  You can always ADD this new address to your membership or change your address through the info page.

Eric
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--- On Fri, 11/14/08, gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it> wrote:

> From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:22 AM
> Very kind of you.
> Yes, it is.
> 
> I hadn' t seen it, and in my opinion 3295 pounds could
> be an acceptable price - not economic of course - for such a
> car.
> 
> Best regards, Gianluca. 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Steven
> Dibdin
> Inviato: venerd? 14 novembre 2008 16.42
> A: RoverNet
> Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover p6 3500 on
> e-bay UK
> 
> 
> Hi Gianluca,
>  
> I just checked the P6 out on ebay in English. It seems that
> it's still for sale as a classified ad. For those of us
> who have terrible italian skills (none). Here's the link
> to to Ebay UK:
>  
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110299342297&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_nkw%3D110299342297%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Steven
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 11:45:57 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:45:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <2FD59D805194484182F7892DA00E48EC@VISTA>
Message-ID: <101792.34248.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In my workshop manual, there is a technical description of the material used for the exhaust valves that is different from the the SC to the TC. I have not driven an SC over here using non-leaded fuel so I don't have practical experience with valve recession with that valve material.  

I might have been inclined to swap SC exhaust valves for TC valves but I would still be unsure about the valve seat materials.

Eric



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--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Netspace <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote:

> From: Netspace <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 11:58 PM
> Running an SC on Low octane fuel (92?) resulted in the
> piston melting down to the top ring land.  Not good.
> Since then I have used the "high" octane fuel
> here, 95 I think.  Have not had trouble.
> 
> PVS
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Manwell"
> <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
> To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel additives
> 
> 
> > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's
> requirement for 100 octane fuel, but don't panic! 
> Octane measurement was based on a different formula in the
> 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the text below
> from [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],  93
> or 94 octane at the pump in North America today is very
> close to 100 octane based on the RON method still used in
> Europe and formerly used in North America.
> > 
> > My impression based on past discussions of TC engines
> is that the valves and seats are already made of very high
> spec. material.  On the other hand, Dad and I once took
> apart a TC engine that the owner had run with the timing set
> very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel and the pinging had
> caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
> > 
> > --Steve Manwell
> > 
> > "The most common type of octane rating worldwide
> is the *Research Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined
> by running the fuel in a test engine
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
> compression ratio
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio> under
> controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those
> for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
> > 
> > There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor
> Octane Number* (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating,
> which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under
> load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in
> RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher
> engine speed, and variable ignition timing
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to
> further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on
> the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline
> will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally
> fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum
> MON.
> > 
> > In most countries (including all of Europe
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe> and Australia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
> "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is
> the RON, but in the United States
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada> and some other
> countries the headline number is the average of the RON and
> the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*),
> *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane Number* (*PON*),
> or *(R+M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted
> above, the octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5
> points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel,
> the "regular" gasoline in the US
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and
> Canada <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada>, is 91-92
> in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as
> "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and
> some even deliver 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC
> head and unleaded fuel. The valves and seats are hard
> enough.
> >> 
> >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here
> for a long time and there have never been problems with
> valve recession on a TC engine out here that I have heard of
> (I ran two different engines on two different TCs).
> >> 
> >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a
> certain brand stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can. 
> Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum elsewhere.
> >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the
> compression from 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the
> octane requirement down from the original "100
> octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer to Top
> Dead Centre and things are good.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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From roverfreak619 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 12:07:35 2008
From: roverfreak619 at yahoo.com (nelson oriley)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:07:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] p6 ROVER E Bay in California,USA
Message-ID: <227185.69621.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

This is my TC2000 1968 Rover iam selling on Ebay 
>From Nelson O.    619-925-5538
roverfreak619 at yahoo.com


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260316172910&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:MOTORS:1123


      


From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Tue Nov 18 12:18:41 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:18:41 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
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 Dear Eric,

		thanks for the message.

In the last days enel decided to change our e- mail standard, from enel.it to enel.com, so this is my new address.

Please be so kind to add this address to the list, as a member's e- mail address.


I will send you the same message through the info page of roverclub.ca, as requested.

Best regards and hear you soon, Gianluca.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Eric Russell
Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 17.38
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK

Gianluca,
The Rovernet server choked with your message from the following address:
gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com

This is not the address with which you are registered on the Rovernet.
Because I recognized your name, I approved the message with this "non-member" address.  You can always ADD this new address to your membership or change your address through the info page.

Eric
List Admin



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--- On Fri, 11/14/08, gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it> wrote:

> From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.it>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R:  Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:22 AM Very kind of you.
> Yes, it is.
> 
> I hadn' t seen it, and in my opinion 3295 pounds could be an 
> acceptable price - not economic of course - for such a car.
> 
> Best regards, Gianluca. 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Steven Dibdin
> Inviato: venerd? 14 novembre 2008 16.42
> A: RoverNet
> Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover p6 3500 on e-bay UK
> 
> 
> Hi Gianluca,
>  
> I just checked the P6 out on ebay in English. It seems that it's still 
> for sale as a classified ad. For those of us who have terrible italian 
> skills (none). Here's the link to to Ebay UK:
>  
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110299342297&ru=h
> ttp%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38%26_n
> kw%3D110299342297%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Steven
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 19:31:33 2008
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:31:33 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Interior trim
In-Reply-To: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012A4A08@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
References: <204ec4390811172024t44b0cdf6x4929d97ca173ff1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012A4A08@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
Message-ID: <204ec4390811181631v3e21f70dp1fd2d897f444df16@mail.gmail.com>

>>Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims, bottoms, sills ant gear tunnel?

Gianluca

>From UK suppliers they will run about GBP 200-275 depending on who
made them and who sells them

Rover Classics and Wadhams have full sets in wool: I donlt know
whether any reproduction carpets include embossed heel pads

Wadhams versions look a better bet if you want an original colour
match and a specific fitting (manual/auto RHD/LHD, but they are
considerably more expensive.

Rover Classics version looks as if it comes in one type for both LHD
and RHD and one size for both automatic and manual cars, the colours
are pretty generic but they are rather cheaper

I'm sure there are other specialist car carpet suppliers

Aidrian


From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 19:54:03 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:54:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Interior trim
In-Reply-To: <204ec4390811181631v3e21f70dp1fd2d897f444df16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <106509.32570.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My caution from experience.
When a person buys carpet from a template where the underlay has been preglued, the fitting, expecially around the tunnel, is incrediably difficult compared to having the underlay and the carpet as separate pieces.  You may (probably will) find that you need to lay in the underlay and cut slits or pie-shaped pieces very carefully in order to fit the compound bends and curves.  Then you repeat the same process by gluing the carpet to the underlay with a spray-glue (not contact cement - too fast).

This is a careful process if you want the carpet to fit well.  The long runs under the seats is not a problem if the backing has been pre-glued to the carpet.

I have fitted three P6 carpets where I had control over the process and looked at a friend's carpet where it had arrived as a complete set from a distant supplier.
Eric


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--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Interior trim
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 4:31 PM
> >>Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims,
> bottoms, sills ant gear tunnel?
> 
> Gianluca
> 
> >From UK suppliers they will run about GBP 200-275
> depending on who
> made them and who sells them
> 
> Rover Classics and Wadhams have full sets in wool: I donlt
> know
> whether any reproduction carpets include embossed heel pads
> 
> Wadhams versions look a better bet if you want an original
> colour
> match and a specific fitting (manual/auto RHD/LHD, but they
> are
> considerably more expensive.
> 
> Rover Classics version looks as if it comes in one type for
> both LHD
> and RHD and one size for both automatic and manual cars,
> the colours
> are pretty generic but they are rather cheaper
> 
> I'm sure there are other specialist car carpet
> suppliers
> 
> Aidrian
> 
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Wed Nov 19 03:42:52 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:42:52 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  R: Interior trim
In-Reply-To: <106509.32570.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <204ec4390811181631v3e21f70dp1fd2d897f444df16@mail.gmail.com>
	<106509.32570.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012A4EAB@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>

The price for the carpets, sills, gear tunnel and 
hand - sewed leather steering wheel cover ,

plus rubber carpets reparation, as said, 

was 350 euros.

The only steering wheel cover could be, by us, 100 - 150 ( more probably) euros.

Carpets are not glued, except the sills ( I think) and gear tunnel.

Best regards, Gianluca.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Eric Russell
Inviato: mercoled? 19 novembre 2008 1.54
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Interior trim

My caution from experience.
When a person buys carpet from a template where the underlay has been preglued, the fitting, expecially around the tunnel, is incrediably difficult compared to having the underlay and the carpet as separate pieces.  You may (probably will) find that you need to lay in the underlay and cut slits or pie-shaped pieces very carefully in order to fit the compound bends and curves.  Then you repeat the same process by gluing the carpet to the underlay with a spray-glue (not contact cement - too fast).

This is a careful process if you want the carpet to fit well.  The long runs under the seats is not a problem if the backing has been pre-glued to the carpet.

I have fitted three P6 carpets where I had control over the process and looked at a friend's carpet where it had arrived as a complete set from a distant supplier.
Eric


Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Interior trim
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." 
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 4:31 PM
> >>Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims,
> bottoms, sills ant gear tunnel?
> 
> Gianluca
> 
> >From UK suppliers they will run about GBP 200-275
> depending on who
> made them and who sells them
> 
> Rover Classics and Wadhams have full sets in wool: I donlt know 
> whether any reproduction carpets include embossed heel pads
> 
> Wadhams versions look a better bet if you want an original colour 
> match and a specific fitting (manual/auto RHD/LHD, but they are 
> considerably more expensive.
> 
> Rover Classics version looks as if it comes in one type for both LHD 
> and RHD and one size for both automatic and manual cars, the colours 
> are pretty generic but they are rather cheaper
> 
> I'm sure there are other specialist car carpet suppliers
> 
> Aidrian
> 
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Wed Nov 19 19:34:26 2008
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:34:26 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
Message-ID: <C549FEA2.6021%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>

Thanks to all for your insight and suggestions.

The distributor "recurve" sounds interesting. Anyone know exactly what they
do to achieve this or have had it done to their distributor?

Roy 



From slatskars at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 20:06:12 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:06:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
In-Reply-To: <C549FEA2.6021%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <409281509.615101227143172640.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Basically it is changing the springs, weights and possibly the vacuum advance to atain the performance curve desired. The fuel supplied today is not the same as what was avialble when the cars were new. The reference that I recommended was Advanced Distributors. Jeff has a form on his web site that you print off and fill out for your particular engine, citing any modifications made to help him determine what curve to use for your specific engine. Simply changing the spring set can make quite a differnce, but it must be the correct springs to effect a smooth rise at the correct rate. Some times a good internal cleaning and lubricating in the right spots can make a marked difference in the curve. The curves are checked and graphed by running the distributor on a tester and plotting the degrees of advance at many RPM's. It is very interesting to observe the process and see the difference. 



Slats 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> 
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:34:26 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives 

Thanks to all for your insight and suggestions. 

The distributor "recurve" sounds interesting. Anyone know exactly what they 
do to achieve this or have had it done to their distributor? 

Roy 


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From roverfreak619 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 20 20:07:53 2008
From: roverfreak619 at yahoo.com (nelson oriley)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:07:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 ROVER sell on Ebay
Message-ID: <764931.90350.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260316172910

This is my P6 ROVER iam selling ,the reserve price is cheaper than the buy it now price.
I also found a P5 Rover on en=bay for sell,location in Lakeside,California,



      


From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Nov 21 20:53:19 2008
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:53:19 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock
Message-ID: <C54CB41E.6033%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>

Came across this today.
For sale in Edmonton Alberta Canada
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1971-Rover-3500S-W0QQ
AdIdZ77094546
Only one slightly fuzzy exterior photo. Good buy if he can prove the low
mileage...

Roy



From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 21 23:02:17 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:02:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Early 3500S, circuit diagram, ice alert
Message-ID: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I am working on a surprise Christmas present for a UK friend.
If it exists......?
I am looking for a 3500 S circuit diagram which shows the ice alert option in the diagram.  All I have is a Haynes manual. Can't find an ice alert section.   I have a 2000 workshop manual and I imagine I could make do.  

However....... if there is such a thing as a 3500S manual with that section of CD, I would love a scanned attachment to:

p6rovers at yahoo.com

TIA

Eric
PS.  I will share the Ice Alert info on the RCCC website as how to fit  A to B.
http://www.roverclub.ca/icealertindex.html

Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Fri Nov 21 23:40:39 2008
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:40:39 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Early 3500S, circuit diagram,
	ice alert
In-Reply-To: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C0AEF0A0C4B45988930FC03A599DC5E@VISTA>

My 3500 manual has the unit removal instructions but not the wiring.
Hmmm.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "INTERNATIONAL Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Early 3500S, circuit diagram, ice alert


> Hi,
> I am working on a surprise Christmas present for a UK friend.
> If it exists......?
> I am looking for a 3500 S circuit diagram which shows the ice alert option 
> in the diagram.  All I have is a Haynes manual. Can't find an ice alert 
> section.   I have a 2000 workshop manual and I imagine I could make do.
>
> However....... if there is such a thing as a 3500S manual with that 
> section of CD, I would love a scanned attachment to:
>
> p6rovers at yahoo.com
>
> TIA
>
> Eric
> PS.  I will share the Ice Alert info on the RCCC website as how to fit  A 
> to B.
> http://www.roverclub.ca/icealertindex.html
>
> Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
> Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
> Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
> http://www.websrus.ca
>
>
>
>
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sat Nov 22 01:48:53 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:48:53 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock
References: <C54CB41E.6033%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <88D45243F90B4B57812521C035FFC1DC@rw>


3000 miles on the clock???  Cant?believe.....

Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info





-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- 
Von: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
An: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. November 2008 02:53
Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock


> Came across this today.
> For sale in Edmonton Alberta Canada
> http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1971-Rover-3500S-W0QQ
> AdIdZ77094546
> Only one slightly fuzzy exterior photo. Good buy if he can prove the low
> mileage...
>
> Roy
>
>
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de  Sat Nov 22 02:03:11 2008
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:03:11 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / 3500 S Repair Operation Manual,
	published 1972
References: <C54CB41E.6033%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
	<88D45243F90B4B57812521C035FFC1DC@rw>
Message-ID: <863236A6BA794B548D9A0291434C0090@rw>


As far as I know, this manual has been published with two part numbers:

AKM 362
and
AKM 3621

Is there any difference?


Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info



From magnet at roverclub.org  Sat Nov 22 08:32:10 2008
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:32:10 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Early 3500S, circuit diagram,
 ice alert
In-Reply-To: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24CC084E3E5589D46FD73C910E0@phx.gbl>

Hello Eric,

I found a small diagram of the Icelert connections on page 67 of Section 
Q in the "Rover Three Thousand Five and Rover 3500S Workshop Manual" 
First Issue, September 1969.  It's not terribly detailed, but may be of 
some help..

See

http://www.roverclub.org/ice_diag.jpg

Cheers,

Bill Daddis

T.A.R.C.

====================================================================

Eric Russell wrote:
> Hi,
> I am working on a surprise Christmas present for a UK friend.
> If it exists......?
> I am looking for a 3500 S circuit diagram which shows the ice alert option in the diagram.  All I have is a Haynes manual. Can't find an ice alert section.   I have a 2000 workshop manual and I imagine I could make do.  
>
> However....... if there is such a thing as a 3500S manual with that section of CD, I would love a scanned attachment to:
>
> p6rovers at yahoo.com
>
> TIA
>
> Eric
> PS.  I will share the Ice Alert info on the RCCC website as how to fit  A to B.
> http://www.roverclub.ca/icealertindex.html
>
> Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
> Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
> Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
> http://www.websrus.ca
>
>
>       
>
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>
>   



From magnet at roverclub.org  Sat Nov 22 08:39:55 2008
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:39:55 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Early 3500S, circuit diagram,
 ice alert
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP24CC084E3E5589D46FD73C910E0@phx.gbl>
References: <400812.21842.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP24CC084E3E5589D46FD73C910E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP44E045D624097022DEB55910E0@phx.gbl>

Just a bit of additional information:  Item 23 in the diagram, the 
sensing unit, is shown simply as a rectangle with the four pick-up 
points -- no information was lost in the scan as a result of the 
scanner's not being able to see further into the binding of the book.  
The book is part number 606495.

Cheers,

 -- Bill

Magnet wrote:
> Hello Eric,
>
> I found a small diagram of the Icelert connections on page 67 of 
> Section Q in the "Rover Three Thousand Five and Rover 3500S Workshop 
> Manual" First Issue, September 1969.  It's not terribly detailed, but 
> may be of some help..
>
> See
>
> http://www.roverclub.org/ice_diag.jpg
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill Daddis
>
> T.A.R.C.
>
> ====================================================================
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am working on a surprise Christmas present for a UK friend.
>> If it exists......?
>> I am looking for a 3500 S circuit diagram which shows the ice alert 
>> option in the diagram.  All I have is a Haynes manual. Can't find an 
>> ice alert section.   I have a 2000 workshop manual and I imagine I 
>> could make do. 
>> However....... if there is such a thing as a 3500S manual with that 
>> section of CD, I would love a scanned attachment to:
>>
>> p6rovers at yahoo.com
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Eric
>> PS.  I will share the Ice Alert info on the RCCC website as how to 
>> fit  A to B.
>> http://www.roverclub.ca/icealertindex.html
>>
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 12:52:35 2008
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:52:35 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock
In-Reply-To: <88D45243F90B4B57812521C035FFC1DC@rw>
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No.., I agree,  103,000 perhaps. It looks in very nice shape but  it's
apparently had a respray at some time as the coachline above the trim
strip and under the 3500S plate isn't visible


> 3000 miles on the clock???  Cant?believe.....
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info


From lacpsyd6 at msn.com  Sat Nov 22 13:18:15 2008
From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
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Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement carpeting would come 
the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II, III, Hogshair, 
Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different type than the cabin 
of the car----does anyone know what it is called?

Thanks in advance for any help.


Lance La Certe, '70  3500S


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> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
> additives
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> Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem, in my experience
> (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned one. Call it 30
> years ;-))
>
> By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 + MON/2) 96 is the magic
> number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of the timing, in
> Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
>
> On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
>
> > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for
> > 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a
> > different formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the
> > text below from   [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
> > 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America today is very close to
> > 100 octane based on the RON method still used in Europe and formerly
> > used in North America.
> >
> > My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the
> > valves and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On
> > the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner
> > had run with the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel
> > and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
> >
> > --Steve Manwell
> >
> > "The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research
> > Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a
> > test engine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
> > compression ratio <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
> > under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those
> > for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
> >
> > There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number*
> > (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better
> > measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a
> > similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a
> > preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition
> > timing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further
> > stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of
> > the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points
> > lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a
> > minimum RON and a minimum MON.
> >
> > In most countries (including all of Europe 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
> > > and Australia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
> > "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the
> > United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > and some other countries the headline number is the average of the
> > RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*),
> > *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R
> > +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the
> > octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the
> > same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the
> > US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON)
> > as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
> > 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel.
> >> The valves and seats are hard enough.
> >>
> >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and
> >> there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine
> >> out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
> >> different TCs).
> >>
> >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand
> >> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92
> >> as a maximum elsewhere.
> >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from
> >> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from
> >> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer
> >> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: slatskars at comcast.net
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> Personally , I would probably start with sending the distributor off to 
> advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's fuels.
>
>
>
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>
> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The 
> valves and seats are hard enough.
>
> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there 
> have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here that 
> I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs ).
>
> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations such 
> as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum 
> elsewhere.
>
> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1 
> to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the original 
> "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the timing closer to Top Dead Centre 
> and things are good.
>
> You may have to add an octane boost if you have an original 2000 TC engine 
> and only can access 91 octane.
>
> The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance may be a way to 
> start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a degree wheel on the 
> back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with a light.
>
> However, in short order, I imagine you get many more opinions on what you 
> can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very experienced Rover 
> mechanics on this list.
>
> Eric
>
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> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net> wrote:
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> > From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net>
> > Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> > To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
> > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
> > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> >
> > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking
> > for a good one to
> > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
> > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning,
> > and had bronze
> > valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded
> > fuel". I have been told
> > this was unnecessary, but have found several references
> > online to unleaded
> > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
> > When this project is completed, the highest octane I can
> > find locally is 91.
> > What are all you other North American Rover Owners using
> > for fuel and
> > additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> > Thanks!
> > Roy Babiuk
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> Roy,
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>
> I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the oil and the effect 
> on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession. If the head is off 
> it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and valves.
>
>
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
>
> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
>
> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a good one 
> to
> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had bronze
> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have been told
> this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to unleaded
> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find locally is 
> 91.
> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and
> additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> Thanks!
> Roy Babiuk
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> From: "Geff McCarthy" <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded conversion, fuel
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> Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100 Octane Low Lead aircraft
> fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at PDX...
>
> AvMedSafe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel 
> additives
>
>
> Take a look on the internet and check out "racing fuels" or something for
> local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a local (ish) 76 station
> that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their product line  It is
> $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill it up, then I mix 
> with
> 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC. There are several of these
> stations around I think...
>
> When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously on typical fuel that
> it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described, and things perked 
> up
> no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the original factory 
> 100
> octane (UK) setting.
>
> Hope this helps
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> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
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> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
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> Dear Aidrian,
>
> thanks for the message.
>
> Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims, bottoms, sills ant 
> gear tunnel?
>
> It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman in udine, there are 
> only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000 inhabitants, and at 
> least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a confrontation.
>
> By the way, he is a very kind man and we became friends, but AFTER A YEAR 
> I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old original rubber 
> carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut two sqares of rubber 
> and to stick them in the feet position, where there is the square.
>
> Thanks for your kind answer.
>
> Best regards, Gianluca.
>
>
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per 
> conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
>
> I found a couple of possibly useful sources while looking for something 
> else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or Canada
>
> P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that it's the perfect concours 
> winning replacement but anything is better than what is on my cars at the 
> moment
>
> <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>
>
> Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500 listed in various 
> materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide selection of 
> colours,
>
> <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>
>
> I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than the sets sold by the UK 
> specialists , but if you need a special colour or material they are 
> possibly worth considering; they do apparently have sets for the trunk 
> carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I think unique to the 
> "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I am aware, available from the usual 
> suspects in the UK
>
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 13:49:20 2008
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:49:20 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
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	<COL111-DS5990C3D75751EBEA62443830E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <204ec4390811221049x66e9ca0cj1480c302cd2c9b0f@mail.gmail.com>

The original carpet was a Wilton material with fairly low pile. There
were two main colours after about 1967,  "Silver Grey" and "Mortlake
Brown" though cars with a Toledo red interiors had red carpets. The
problem with the first two is that a few decades fading, wear and
ingrained dirt cause them to look very similar (a sort of dirty
beige), but you can usually find a less worn and faded area by lifting
the transmission tunnel cover.

(For completeness, cars built from CKD kits often had locally sourced
carpets which coudl weel have been rather diffeent to Solihull's
standard)

For the cabin "Velvet wool" looks a good visual match at first blush,
though I would suggest sending a small sample and seeing if they can
come up with something better.

The boot carpeting is a heavy duty synthetic material if memory serves
 - again it may hep to get a sample to the company for matching, but I
would be inclined to use "DYNA PILE" as boot seals have been known to
let water in now and again.

Aidrian


From vern at inkspotco.com  Sat Nov 22 14:34:26 2008
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:34:26 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
In-Reply-To: <COL111-DS5990C3D75751EBEA62443830E0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.63.1227025994.19954.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <947ACF1E-CCF5-4D3E-95E9-8C6C1E97709E@inkspotco.com>

The original is identical to Wilton I (I think, may be II) but, and  
this is the deal breaker, the pile is half the height.

Yours
Vern

Yours
Vern
On 22-Nov-08, at 10:18 AM, LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE wrote:

> Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement carpeting  
> would come
> the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II, III,  
> Hogshair,
> Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different type than  
> the cabin
> of the car----does anyone know what it is called?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
> Lance La Certe, '70  3500S
>
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
>> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
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>> Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem, in my  
>> experience
>> (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned one. Call it 30
>> years ;-))
>>
>> By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 + MON/2) 96 is the magic
>> number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of the timing, in
>> Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
>>
>> Yours
>> Vern
>>
>>
>> On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
>>
>>> Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for
>>> 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a
>>> different formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the
>>> text below from   [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
>>> 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America today is very close to
>>> 100 octane based on the RON method still used in Europe and formerly
>>> used in North America.
>>>
>>> My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the
>>> valves and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On
>>> the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner
>>> had run with the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel
>>> and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
>>>
>>> --Steve Manwell
>>>
>>> "The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research
>>> Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a
>>> test engine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
>>> compression ratio <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
>>> under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those
>>> for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
>>>
>>> There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number*
>>> (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better
>>> measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a
>>> similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a
>>> preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition
>>> timing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further
>>> stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of
>>> the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points
>>> lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a
>>> minimum RON and a minimum MON.
>>>
>>> In most countries (including all of Europe
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
>>>> and Australia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
>>> "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the
>>> United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
>>>> and some other countries the headline number is the average of the
>>> RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*),
>>> *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R
>>> +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the
>>> octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the
>>> same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the
>>> US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
>>>> , is 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON)
>>> as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
>>> 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Russell wrote:
>>>> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel.
>>>> The valves and seats are hard enough.
>>>>
>>>> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and
>>>> there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine
>>>> out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
>>>> different TCs).
>>>>
>>>> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand
>>>> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92
>>>> as a maximum elsewhere.
>>>> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from
>>>> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from
>>>> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer
>>>> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: slatskars at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
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>> Personally , I would probably start with sending the distributor  
>> off to
>> advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's fuels.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada  
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>> additives
>>
>> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel.  
>> The
>> valves and seats are hard enough.
>>
>> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and  
>> there
>> have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out  
>> here that
>> I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs ).
>>
>> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand  
>> stations such
>> as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from  
>> 10:1
>> to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the  
>> original
>> "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the timing closer to Top Dead  
>> Centre
>> and things are good.
>>
>> You may have to add an octane boost if you have an original 2000 TC  
>> engine
>> and only can access 91 octane.
>>
>> The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance may be a way  
>> to
>> start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a degree wheel on  
>> the
>> back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with a light.
>>
>> However, in short order, I imagine you get many more opinions on  
>> what you
>> can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very experienced Rover
>> mechanics on this list.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
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>> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net>
>>> Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel  
>>> additives
>>> To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
>>> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
>>> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
>>>
>>> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking
>>> for a good one to
>>> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
>>> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
>>> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning,
>>> and had bronze
>>> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded
>>> fuel". I have been told
>>> this was unnecessary, but have found several references
>>> online to unleaded
>>> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
>>> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can
>>> find locally is 91.
>>> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using
>>> for fuel and
>>> additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Roy Babiuk
>>>
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>> Roy,
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>>
>>
>> I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the oil and the  
>> effect
>> on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession. If the head  
>> is off
>> it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and valves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
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>> From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada  
>> Pacific
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel  
>> additives
>>
>> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
>>
>> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a  
>> good one
>> to
>> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
>> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
>> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had  
>> bronze
>> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have  
>> been told
>> this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to  
>> unleaded
>> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
>> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find  
>> locally is
>> 91.
>> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and
>> additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
>> Thanks!
>> Roy Babiuk
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
>> From: "Geff McCarthy" <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
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>> Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100 Octane Low Lead  
>> aircraft
>> fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at PDX...
>>
>> AvMedSafe
>> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>> Portland OR 97210
>> 503-241-8468
>> 503-799-3809 mobile
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>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca 
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>> On
>> Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
>> To: Rovernet
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>>
>>
>> Take a look on the internet and check out "racing fuels" or  
>> something for
>> local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a local (ish) 76  
>> station
>> that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their product line   
>> It is
>> $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill it up, then I  
>> mix
>> with
>> 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC. There are several of  
>> these
>> stations around I think...
>>
>> When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously on typical  
>> fuel that
>> it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described, and things  
>> perked
>> up
>> no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the original  
>> factory
>> 100
>> octane (UK) setting.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Adrian
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
>> From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
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>> Dear Aidrian,
>>
>> thanks for the message.
>>
>> Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims, bottoms, sills  
>> ant
>> gear tunnel?
>>
>> It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman in udine,  
>> there are
>> only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000 inhabitants,  
>> and at
>> least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a confrontation.
>>
>> By the way, he is a very kind man and we became friends, but AFTER  
>> A YEAR
>> I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old original  
>> rubber
>> carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut two sqares of  
>> rubber
>> and to stick them in the feet position, where there is the square.
>>
>> Thanks for your kind answer.
>>
>> Best regards, Gianluca.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet- 
>> bounces at rovernet.ca] Per
>> conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
>> Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
>> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
>>
>> I found a couple of possibly useful sources while looking for  
>> something
>> else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or Canada
>>
>> P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that it's the perfect  
>> concours
>> winning replacement but anything is better than what is on my cars  
>> at the
>> moment
>>
>> <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html 
>> >
>>
>> Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500 listed in various
>> materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide selection of
>> colours,
>>
>> <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf 
>> >
>>
>> I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than the sets sold by  
>> the UK
>> specialists , but if you need a special colour or material they are
>> possibly worth considering; they do apparently have sets for the  
>> trunk
>> carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I think unique to  
>> the
>> "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I am aware, available from the  
>> usual
>> suspects in the UK
>>
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From fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us  Sat Nov 22 17:33:18 2008
From: fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us (fmcardle at suffolk.lib.ny.us)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:33:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
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Lance ,

     The type of carpet in the trunk issimply a loop pile synthetic
carpet, VERY easy to obtain.
      As far as the main cabin carpet goes I used to stock much of it and
we called it Plush cut pile or Dense cut pile. when I ordered it I
received virtually an exact match.  It was not Wilton manufacture.
      I don't know if my supplier still has this carpet in stock but if
you would like me to check let me know what color and how many
yards.
      I may be able to obtain already cut and bound pieces also for your
car if they have any left from years ago.  Please let me know, hope
I can help.




> Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement carpeting would
> come
> the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II, III, Hogshair,
> Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different type than the
> cabin
> of the car----does anyone know what it is called?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
> Lance La Certe, '70  3500S
>
>
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>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
>> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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>> Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem, in my experience
>> (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned one. Call it 30
>> years ;-))
>>
>> By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 + MON/2) 96 is the magic
>> number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of the timing, in
>> Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
>>
>> Yours
>> Vern
>>
>>
>> On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
>>
>> > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the 2000TC's requirement for
>> > 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane measurement was based on a
>> > different formula in the 1960s than today's formula.   Based on the
>> > text below from   [  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
>> > 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America today is very close to
>> > 100 octane based on the RON method still used in Europe and formerly
>> > used in North America.
>> >
>> > My impression based on past discussions of TC engines is that the
>> > valves and seats are already made of very high spec. material.  On
>> > the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC engine that the owner
>> > had run with the timing set very wrong and/or the wrong octane fuel
>> > and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the piston tops.
>> >
>> > --Steve Manwell
>> >
>> > "The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the *Research
>> > Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by running the fuel in a
>> > test engine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
>> > compression ratio <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
>> > under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those
>> > for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
>> >
>> > There is another type of octane rating, called *Motor Octane Number*
>> > (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better
>> > measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a
>> > similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a
>> > preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition
>> > timing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to further
>> > stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of
>> > the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points
>> > lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a
>> > minimum RON and a minimum MON.
>> >
>> > In most countries (including all of Europe
>> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
>> > > and Australia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
>> > "headline" octane rating, shown on the pump, is the RON, but in the
>> > United States <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada
>> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
>> > > and some other countries the headline number is the average of the
>> > RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock Index* (*AKI*),
>> > *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane Number* (*PON*), or *(R
>> > +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the
>> > octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the
>> > same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in the
>> > US <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and Canada
>> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
>> > >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON)
>> > as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
>> > 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Eric Russell wrote:
>> >> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel.
>> >> The valves and seats are hard enough.
>> >>
>> >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and
>> >> there have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine
>> >> out here that I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
>> >> different TCs).
>> >>
>> >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand
>> >> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.  Usually it seems to be 92
>> >> as a maximum elsewhere.
>> >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from
>> >> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from
>> >> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to 94.  I moved the timing closer
>> >> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: slatskars at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>> To: p6rovers at yahoo.com, "The original list for Rover car
>> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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>>
>> Personally , I would probably start with sending the distributor off to
>> advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's fuels.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet
>> .ca>
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>> Subject: Re: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>>
>> You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head and unleaded fuel. The
>> valves and seats are hard enough.
>>
>> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a long time and there
>> have never been problems with valve recession on a TC engine out here
>> that
>> I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two different TCs ).
>>
>> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain brand stations
>> such
>> as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92 as a maximum
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the compression from 10:1
>> to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement down from the
>> original
>> "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the timing closer to Top Dead Centre
>> and things are good.
>>
>> You may have to add an octane boost if you have an original 2000 TC
>> engine
>> and only can access 91 octane.
>>
>> The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance may be a way to
>> start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a degree wheel on the
>> back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with a light.
>>
>> However, in short order, I imagine you get many more opinions on what
>> you
>> can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very experienced Rover
>> mechanics on this list.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
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>> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet .net>
>> > Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>> > To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
>> > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
>> > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
>> >
>> > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking
>> > for a good one to
>> > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
>> > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
>> > The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning,
>> > and had bronze
>> > valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded
>> > fuel". I have been told
>> > this was unnecessary, but have found several references
>> > online to unleaded
>> > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
>> > When this project is completed, the highest octane I can
>> > find locally is 91.
>> > What are all you other North American Rover Owners using
>> > for fuel and
>> > additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
>> > Thanks!
>> > Roy Babiuk
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: slatskars at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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>> Roy,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the oil and the
>> effect
>> on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession. If the head is off
>> it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and valves.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Babiuk" <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel additives
>>
>> Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
>>
>> Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been looking for a good
>> one
>> to
>> restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid 1980's.
>> The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
>> The previous owner removed the heads for reconditioning, and had bronze
>> valve guides installed "for conversion to unleaded fuel". I have been
>> told
>> this was unnecessary, but have found several references online to
>> unleaded
>> heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded fuel?
>> When this project is completed, the highest octane I can find locally is
>> 91.
>> What are all you other North American Rover Owners using for fuel and
>> additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
>> Thanks!
>> Roy Babiuk
>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
>> From: "Geff McCarthy" <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"
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>> Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100 Octane Low Lead aircraft
>> fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at PDX...
>>
>> AvMedSafe
>> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>> Portland OR 97210
>> 503-241-8468
>> 503-799-3809 mobile
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
>> To: Rovernet
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded conversion, fuel
>> additives
>>
>>
>> Take a look on the internet and check out "racing fuels" or something
>> for
>> local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a local (ish) 76
>> station
>> that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their product line  It is
>> $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill it up, then I mix
>> with
>> 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC. There are several of
>> these
>> stations around I think...
>>
>> When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously on typical fuel
>> that
>> it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described, and things perked
>> up
>> no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the original factory
>> 100
>> octane (UK) setting.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Adrian
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
>> From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
>> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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>> Dear Aidrian,
>>
>> thanks for the message.
>>
>> Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims, bottoms, sills ant
>> gear tunnel?
>>
>> It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman in udine, there
>> are
>> only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000 inhabitants, and
>> at
>> least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a confrontation.
>>
>> By the way, he is a very kind man and we became friends, but AFTER A
>> YEAR
>> I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old original rubber
>> carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut two sqares of rubber
>> and to stick them in the feet position, where there is the square.
>>
>> Thanks for your kind answer.
>>
>> Best regards, Gianluca.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
>> Per
>> conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
>> Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
>> A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
>>
>> I found a couple of possibly useful sources while looking for something
>> else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or Canada
>>
>> P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that it's the perfect concours
>> winning replacement but anything is better than what is on my cars at
>> the
>> moment
>>
>> <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>
>>
>> Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500 listed in various
>> materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide selection of
>> colours,
>>
>> <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>
>>
>> I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than the sets sold by the
>> UK
>> specialists , but if you need a special colour or material they are
>> possibly worth considering; they do apparently have sets for the trunk
>> carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I think unique to the
>> "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I am aware, available from the
>> usual
>> suspects in the UK
>>
>> Aidrian
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 20:21:55 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:21:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
In-Reply-To: <COL111-DS5990C3D75751EBEA62443830E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <629246.81330.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I used Wilton wool carpet from a Jaguar Interior specialist. I bought 8 yards and did it myself.  Some pictures can be supplied.  The new carpet seems to be more dense then the threadbare original stuff I retained from parts cars. It's not cheap but it looks great. I picked a light grey colour. I can mail you a sample of grey or brown (I think I still have it).

Eric

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--- On Sat, 11/22/08, LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com> wrote:

> From: LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:18 AM
> Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement
> carpeting would come 
> the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II,
> III, Hogshair, 
> Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different
> type than the cabin 
> of the car----does anyone know what it is called?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> 
> Lance La Certe, '70  3500S
> 
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
> > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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> > Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem,
> in my experience
> > (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned
> one. Call it 30
> > years ;-))
> >
> > By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 +
> MON/2) 96 is the magic
> > number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of
> the timing, in
> > Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
> >
> >
> > On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
> >
> > > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the
> 2000TC's requirement for
> > > 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane
> measurement was based on a
> > > different formula in the 1960s than today's
> formula.   Based on the
> > > text below from   [ 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
> > > 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America
> today is very close to
> > > 100 octane based on the RON method still used in
> Europe and formerly
> > > used in North America.
> > >
> > > My impression based on past discussions of TC
> engines is that the
> > > valves and seats are already made of very high
> spec. material.  On
> > > the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC
> engine that the owner
> > > had run with the timing set very wrong and/or the
> wrong octane fuel
> > > and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the
> piston tops.
> > >
> > > --Steve Manwell
> > >
> > > "The most common type of octane rating
> worldwide is the *Research
> > > Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by
> running the fuel in a
> > > test engine
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
> > > compression ratio
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
> > > under controlled conditions, and comparing the
> results with those
> > > for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
> > >
> > > There is another type of octane rating, called
> *Motor Octane Number*
> > > (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which
> is a better
> > > measure of how the fuel behaves when under load.
> MON testing uses a
> > > similar test engine to that used in RON testing,
> but with a
> > > preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed,
> and variable ignition
> > > timing
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to
> further
> > > stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending
> on the composition of
> > > the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be
> about 8 to 10 points
> > > lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications
> require both a
> > > minimum RON and a minimum MON.
> > >
> > > In most countries (including all of Europe 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
> > > > and Australia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
> > > "headline" octane rating, shown on the
> pump, is the RON, but in the
> > > United States
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > > and some other countries the headline number
> is the average of the
> > > RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock
> Index* (*AKI*),
> > > *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane
> Number* (*PON*), or *(R
> > > +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference
> noted above, the
> > > octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5
> points lower than the
> > > same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the
> "regular" gasoline in the
> > > US
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and
> Canada 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European
> pumps deliver 95 (RON)
> > > as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US
> (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
> > > 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Russell wrote:
> > >> You won't have to worry about your 1970
> TC head and unleaded fuel.
> > >> The valves and seats are hard enough.
> > >>
> > >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel
> here for a long time and
> > >> there have never been problems with valve
> recession on a TC engine
> > >> out here that I have heard of (I ran two
> different engines on two
> > >> different TCs).
> > >>
> > >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a
> certain brand
> > >> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can. 
> Usually it seems to be 92
> > >> as a maximum elsewhere.
> > >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which
> reduced the compression from
> > >> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane
> requirement down from
> > >> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to
> 94.  I moved the timing closer
> > >> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: p6rovers at yahoo.com, "The original list for
> Rover car
> > enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> >
> > Personally , I would probably start with sending the
> distributor off to 
> > advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's
> fuels.
> >
> >
> >
> > Slats
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Eric Russell"
> <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet 
> > .ca>
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: Re: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel 
> > additives
> >
> > You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head
> and unleaded fuel. The 
> > valves and seats are hard enough.
> >
> > We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a
> long time and there 
> > have never been problems with valve recession on a TC
> engine out here that 
> > I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
> different TCs ).
> >
> > I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain
> brand stations such 
> > as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92
> as a maximum 
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the
> compression from 10:1 
> > to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement
> down from the original 
> > "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the
> timing closer to Top Dead Centre 
> > and things are good.
> >
> > You may have to add an octane boost if you have an
> original 2000 TC engine 
> > and only can access 91 octane.
> >
> > The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance
> may be a way to 
> > start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a
> degree wheel on the 
> > back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with
> a light.
> >
> > However, in short order, I imagine you get many more
> opinions on what you 
> > can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very
> experienced Rover 
> > mechanics on this list.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
> > Website: ? http :// www . roverclub .ca/
> > Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
> > http :// www . websrus .ca
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @
> telusplanet .net> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet
> .net>
> > > Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel additives
> > > To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
> > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
> > > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> > >
> > > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have
> been looking
> > > for a good one to
> > > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> 1980's.
> > > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > > The previous owner removed the heads for
> reconditioning,
> > > and had bronze
> > > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> unleaded
> > > fuel". I have been told
> > > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> references
> > > online to unleaded
> > > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for
> unleaded fuel?
> > > When this project is completed, the highest
> octane I can
> > > find locally is 91.
> > > What are all you other North American Rover
> Owners using
> > > for fuel and
> > > additives both for lubrication and increased
> octane?
> > > Thanks!
> > > Roy Babiuk
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts."
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> >
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> >
> >
> > I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the
> oil and the effect 
> > on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession.
> If the head is off 
> > it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and
> valves.
> >
> >
> >
> > Slats
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Roy Babiuk"
> <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel additives
> >
> > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> >
> > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been
> looking for a good one 
> > to
> > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> 1980's.
> > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > The previous owner removed the heads for
> reconditioning, and had bronze
> > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> unleaded fuel". I have been told
> > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> references online to unleaded
> > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded
> fuel?
> > When this project is completed, the highest octane I
> can find locally is 
> > 91.
> > What are all you other North American Rover Owners
> using for fuel and
> > additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> > Thanks!
> > Roy Babiuk
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
> > From: "Geff McCarthy"
> <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "'The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts.'"
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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> >
> > Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100
> Octane Low Lead aircraft
> > fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at
> PDX...
> >
> > AvMedSafe
> > Geff and Julie McCarthy
> > 677 NW Melinda Ave
> > Portland OR 97210
> > 503-241-8468
> > 503-799-3809 mobile
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
> > To: Rovernet
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel 
> > additives
> >
> >
> > Take a look on the internet and check out "racing
> fuels" or something for
> > local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a
> local (ish) 76 station
> > that sells 100 octane, and they do have it in their
> product line  It is
> > $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill
> it up, then I mix 
> > with
> > 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC.
> There are several of these
> > stations around I think...
> >
> > When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously
> on typical fuel that
> > it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described,
> and things perked 
> > up
> > no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the
> original factory 
> > 100
> > octane (UK) setting.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Adrian
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
> > From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Dear Aidrian,
> >
> > thanks for the message.
> >
> > Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims,
> bottoms, sills ant 
> > gear tunnel?
> >
> > It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman
> in udine, there are 
> > only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000
> inhabitants, and at 
> > least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a
> confrontation.
> >
> > By the way, he is a very kind man and we became
> friends, but AFTER A YEAR 
> > I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old
> original rubber 
> > carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut
> two sqares of rubber 
> > and to stick them in the feet position, where there is
> the square.
> >
> > Thanks for your kind answer.
> >
> > Best regards, Gianluca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Messaggio originale-----
> > Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per 
> > conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> > Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
> > A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
> >
> > I found a couple of possibly useful sources while
> looking for something 
> > else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or
> Canada
> >
> > P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that
> it's the perfect concours 
> > winning replacement but anything is better than what
> is on my cars at the 
> > moment
> >
> >
> <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>
> >
> > Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500
> listed in various 
> > materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide
> selection of 
> > colours,
> >
> >
> <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>
> >
> > I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than
> the sets sold by the UK 
> > specialists , but if you need a special colour or
> material they are 
> > possibly worth considering; they do apparently have
> sets for the trunk 
> > carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I
> think unique to the 
> > "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I
> am aware, available from the usual 
> > suspects in the UK
> >
> > Aidrian
> >
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From pjemail at aol.com  Sun Nov 23 06:06:42 2008
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
In-Reply-To: <629246.81330.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB1B72B3750C58-FB0-1B5E@WEBMAIL-MZ19.sysops.aol.com>

I still have some original pieces of Rover carpet. I don't have any full sets any more but I can usually supply a pair of floor carpets, which are really the most important in order to get the correct look. Contact me direct on pjemail at aol.com for details.

Regards,

Pierre Janusz


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 1:21
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues



I used Wilton wool carpet from a Jaguar Interior specialist. I bought 8 yards 
and did it myself.  Some pictures can be supplied.  The new carpet seems to be 
more dense then the threadbare original stuff I retained from parts cars. It's 
not cheap but it looks great. I picked a light grey colour. I can mail you a 
sample of grey or brown (I think I still have it).

Eric

Ref:  BAS:   http://www.basjaguartrim.com/m_aboutmaterials.htm



Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
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--- On Sat, 11/22/08, LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com> 
wrote:

> From: LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:18 AM
> Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement
> carpeting would come 
> the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II,
> III, Hogshair, 
> Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different
> type than the cabin 
> of the car----does anyone know what it is called?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> 
> Lance La Certe, '70  3500S
> 
> 
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives (Vern
> Klukas)
> >    2. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> (slatskars at comcast.net)
> >    3. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> (slatskars at comcast.net)
> >    4. Unleaded conversion, fuel additives (Geff
> McCarthy)
> >    5. R:  Interior trim (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
> > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem,
> in my experience
> > (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned
> one. Call it 30
> > years ;-))
> >
> > By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 +
> MON/2) 96 is the magic
> > number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of
> the timing, in
> > Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
> >
> >
> > On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
> >
> > > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the
> 2000TC's requirement for
> > > 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane
> measurement was based on a
> > > different formula in the 1960s than today's
> formula.   Based on the
> > > text below from   [ 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
> > > 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America
> today is very close to
> > > 100 octane based on the RON method still used in
> Europe and formerly
> > > used in North America.
> > >
> > > My impression based on past discussions of TC
> engines is that the
> > > valves and seats are already made of very high
> spec. material.  On
> > > the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC
> engine that the owner
> > > had 
run with the timing set very wrong and/or the
> wrong octane fuel
> > > and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the
> piston tops.
> > >
> > > --Steve Manwell
> > >
> > > "The most common type of octane rating
> worldwide is the *Research
> > > Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by
> running the fuel in a
> > > test engine
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
> > > compression ratio
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
> > > under controlled conditions, and comparing the
> results with those
> > > for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
> > >
> > > There is another type of octane rating, called
> *Motor Octane Number*
> > > (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which
> is a better
> > > measure of how the fuel behaves when under load.
> MON testing uses a
> > > similar test engine to that used in RON testing,
> but with a
> > > preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed,
> and variable ignition
> > > timing
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to
> further
> > > stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending
> on the composition of
> > > the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be
> about 8 to 10 points
> > > lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications
> require both a
> > > minimum RON and a minimum MON.
> > >
> > > In most countries (including all of Europe 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
> > > > and Australia
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
> > > "headline" octane rating, shown on the
> pump, is the RON, but in the
> > > United States
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > > and some other countries the headline number
> is the average of the
> > > RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock
> Index* (*AKI*),
> > > *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane
> Number* (*PON*), or *(R
> > > +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference
> noted above, the
> > > octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5
> points lower than the
> > > same
 fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the
> "regular" gasoline in the
> > > US
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and
> Canada 
> > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European
> pumps deliver 95 (RON)
> > > as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US
> (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
> > > 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Russell wrote:
> > >> You won't have to worry about your 1970
> TC head and unleaded fuel.
> > >> The valves and seats are hard enough.
> > >>
> > >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel
> here for a long time and
> > >> there have never been problems with valve
> recession on a TC engine
> > >> out here that I have heard of (I ran two
> different engines on two
> > >> different TCs).
> > >>
> > >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a
> certain brand
> > >> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can. 
> Usually it seems to be 92
> > >> as a maximum elsewhere.
> > >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which
> reduced the compression from
> > >> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane
> requirement down from
> > >> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to
> 94.  I moved the timing closer
> > >> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: p6rovers at yahoo.com, "The original list for
> Rover car
> > enthusiasts." <rovernet at rove
rnet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <369197698.299931227012507181.JavaMail.root at sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally , I would probably start with sending the
> distributor off to 
> > advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's
> fuels.
> >
> >
> >
> > Slats
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Eric Russell"
> <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet 
> > .ca>
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: Re: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel 
> > additives
> >
> > You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head
> and unleaded fuel. The 
> > valves and seats are hard enough.
> >
> > We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a
> long time and there 
> > have never been problems with valve recession on a TC
> engine out here that 
> > I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
> different TCs ).
> >
> > I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain
> brand stations such 
> > as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92
> as a maximum 
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the
> compression from 10:1 
> > to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement
> down from the original 
> > "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the
> timing closer to Top Dead Centre 
> > and things are good.
> >
> > You may have to add an octane boost if you have an
> original 2000 TC engine 
> > and only can access 91 octane.
> >
> > The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance
> may be a way to 
> > start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a
> degree wheel on the 
> > back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with
> a light.
> >
> > However, in short order, I imagine you get many more
> opinions on what you 
> > can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very
> experienced Rover 
> > mechanics on this list.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> > We
bmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
> > Website: ? http :// www . roverclub .ca/
> > Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
> > http :// www . websrus .ca
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @
> telusplanet .net> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet
> .net>
> > > Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel additives
> > > To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
> > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
> > > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> > >
> > > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have
> been looking
> > > for a good one to
> > > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> 1980's.
> > > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > > The previous owner removed the heads for
> reconditioning,
> > > and had bronze
> > > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> unleaded
> > > fuel". I have been told
> > > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> references
> > > online to unleaded
> > > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for
> unleaded fuel?
> > > When this project is completed, the highest
> octane I can
> > > find locally is 91.
> > > What are all you other North American Rover
> Owners using
> > > for fuel and
> > > additives both for lubrication and increased
> octane?
> > > Thanks!
> > > Roy Babiuk
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> >
> >
> > Roy,
> >
> >
> >
> > I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the
> oil and the effect 
> > on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession.
> If the head is off 
> > it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and
> valves.
> >
> >
> >
> > Slats
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Roy Babiuk"
> <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00
> US/Canada Pacific
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel additives
> >
> > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> >
> > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been
> looking for a good one 
> > to
> > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> 1980's.
> > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > The previous owner removed the heads for
> reconditioning, and had bronze
> > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> unleaded fuel". I have been told
> > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> references online to unleaded
> > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded
> fuel?
> > When this project is completed, the 
highest octane I
> can find locally is 
> > 91.
> > What are all you other North American Rover Owners
> using for fuel and
> > additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> > Thanks!
> > Roy Babiuk
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
> > From: "Geff McCarthy"
> <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded
> conversion, fuel
> > additives
> > To: "'The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts.'"
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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> >
> > Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100
> Octane Low Lead aircraft
> > fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at
> PDX...
> >
> > AvMedSafe
> > Geff and Julie McCarthy
> > 677 NW Melinda Ave
> > Portland OR 97210
> > 503-241-8468
> > 503-799-3809 mobile
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> > On
> > Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
> > To: Rovernet
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> conversion, fuel 
> > additives
> >
> >
> > Take a look on the internet and check out "racing
> fuels" or something for
> > local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a
> local (ish) 76 station
> > that sells 100 octane
, and they do have it in their
> product line  It is
> > $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill
> it up, then I mix 
> > with
> > 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC.
> There are several of these
> > stations around I think...
> >
> > When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously
> on typical fuel that
> > it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described,
> and things perked 
> > up
> > no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the
> original factory 
> > 100
> > octane (UK) setting.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Adrian
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
> > From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
> > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012A4A08 at E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
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> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Dear Aidrian,
> >
> > thanks for the message.
> >
> > Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims,
> bottoms, sills ant 
> > gear tunnel?
> >
> > It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman
> in udine, there are 
> > only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000
> inhabitants, and at 
> > least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a
> confrontation.
> >
> > By the way, he is a ve
ry kind man and we became
> friends, but AFTER A YEAR 
> > I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old
> original rubber 
> > carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut
> two sqares of rubber 
> > and to stick them in the feet position, where there is
> the square.
> >
> > Thanks for your kind answer.
> >
> > Best regards, Gianluca.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Messaggio originale-----
> > Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per 
> > conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> > Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
> > A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
> >
> > I found a couple of possibly useful sources while
> looking for something 
> > else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or
> Canada
> >
> > P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that
> it's the perfect concours 
> > winning replacement but anything is better than what
> is on my cars at the 
> > moment
> >
> >
> <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>
> >
> > Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500
> listed in various 
> > materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide
> selection of 
> > colours,
> >
> >
> <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>
> >
> > I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than
> the sets sold by the UK 
> > specialists , but if you need a special colour or
> material they are 
> > possibly worth considering; they do apparently have
> sets for the trunk 
> > carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I
> think unique to the 
> > "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I
> am aware, available from the usual 
> > suspects in the UK
> >
> > Aidrian
> >
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 13:50:40 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Message length
Message-ID: <906958.41245.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


FYI,
Typically a Rovernet message length is 6 to 10 Kb in size.

If a person replies to a replied to replied to replied to replied to replied to replied to replied to replied to message, The message can reach 56 Kb or more.

Then the server sends me a notification that this has happened. I then have to go to the server and decide if this is someone I know or if it is another SPAM message which needs to be deleted.

It would be much more convenient if subscribers would look at what they are about to do and delete superfluous text.  Capturing the essence of the message to which you are replying is good.  

Not taking the opportunity to edit is not so good and then it requires my attention to do something.

I don't mind helping but there are occasions when subscribers can help me.

Thanks in advance,

Eric
List Manager


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Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com  Mon Nov 24 05:14:54 2008
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:14:54 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock
In-Reply-To: <204ec4390811220952m57d64fe9ye62e32313ef25cfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C54CB41E.6033%rababiuk@telusplanet.net><88D45243F90B4B57812521C035FFC1DC@rw>
	<204ec4390811220952m57d64fe9ye62e32313ef25cfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A01316E10@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>


 http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=77094546

This car looks splendid, but I managed to find 1 picture only so I can' t be sure of its conditions.


I also agree: probably 103.000 miles, It could be a bargain if it is well mantained as it looks.

Arden green is extremely rare by us, and is very dark, close to black.


Best regards, Gianluca.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
Inviato: sabato 22 novembre 2008 18.53
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1971 3500s with 3000 miles on clock

No.., I agree,  103,000 perhaps. It looks in very nice shape but  it's apparently had a respray at some time as the coachline above the trim strip and under the 3500S plate isn't visible


> 3000 miles on the clock???  Cant?believe.....
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info

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From lacpsyd6 at msn.com  Mon Nov 24 22:20:28 2008
From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:20:28 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
In-Reply-To: <mailman.76.1227459253.19954.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <COL111-DS173E90F1F18CCB0F477CD0830B0@phx.gbl>

Thanks to all who replied about the carpeting.  I'll do some research on the 
Wilton and let you know if I need a sample sent.

Regards,
Lance La Certe,


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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: Rovernet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32


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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:06:42 -0500
> From: pjemail at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
> To: p6rovers at yahoo.com, rovernet at rovernet.ca
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>
> I still have some original pieces of Rover carpet. I don't have any full 
> sets any more but I can usually supply a pair of floor carpets, which are 
> really the most important in order to get the correct look. Contact me 
> direct on pjemail at aol.com for details.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pierre Janusz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 1:21
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
>
>
>
> I used Wilton wool carpet from a Jaguar Interior specialist. I bought 8 
> yards
> and did it myself.  Some pictures can be supplied.  The new carpet seems 
> to be
> more dense then the threadbare original stuff I retained from parts cars. 
> It's
> not cheap but it looks great. I picked a light grey colour. I can mail you 
> a
> sample of grey or brown (I think I still have it).
>
> Eric
>
> Ref:  BAS:   http://www.basjaguartrim.com/m_aboutmaterials.htm
>
>
>
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>
> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Carpet issues
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 10:18 AM
> > Can someone give me an idea of what type of replacement
> > carpeting would come
> > the closest to the original in the 3500S---Wilton I, II,
> > III, Hogshair,
> > Hargarn ????   The carpeting in the trunk is a different
> > type than the cabin
> > of the car----does anyone know what it is called?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> >
> > Lance La Certe, '70  3500S
> >
> >
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> > >    1. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives (Vern
> > Klukas)
> > >    2. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> > (slatskars at comcast.net)
> > >    3. Re: unleaded conversion, fuel additives
> > (slatskars at comcast.net)
> > >    4. Unleaded conversion, fuel additives (Geff
> > McCarthy)
> > >    5. R:  Interior trim (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:00 -0800
> > > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
> > > To: "The original list for Rover car
> > enthusiasts."
> > > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > > Message-ID:
> > <F18E10D2-8939-4D98-8D71-0E2D2223BA03 at inkspotco.com>
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> > >
> > > Yes, 2000 TC heads will run unleaded without problem,
> > in my experience
> > > (2000 TC as a daily driver, well, since I've owned
> > one. Call it 30
> > > years ;-))
> > >
> > > By the "blended" octane measure (RON/2 +
> > MON/2) 96 is the magic
> > > number. 94 works OK with just a little retarding of
> > the timing, in
> > > Canada you can get that at most Chevron stations.
> > >
> > > Yours
> > > Vern
> > >
> > >
> > > On 17-Nov-08, at 6:18 PM, S Manwell wrote:
> > >
> > > > Eric and Adrian have both referenced the
> > 2000TC's requirement for
> > > > 100 octane fuel, but don't panic!  Octane
> > measurement was based on a
> > > > different formula in the 1960s than today's
> > formula.   Based on the
> > > > text below from   [
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating  ],
> > > > 93 or 94 octane at the pump in North America
> > today is very close to
> > > > 100 octane based on the RON method still used in
> > Europe and formerly
> > > > used in North America.
> > > >
> > > > My impression based on past discussions of TC
> > engines is that the
> > > > valves and seats are already made of very high
> > spec. material.  On
> > > > the other hand, Dad and I once took apart a TC
> > engine that the owner
> > > > had
> run with the timing set very wrong and/or the
> > wrong octane fuel
> > > > and the pinging had caused heavy pitting on the
> > piston tops.
> > > >
> > > > --Steve Manwell
> > > >
> > > > "The most common type of octane rating
> > worldwide is the *Research
> > > > Octane Number* (*RON*). RON is determined by
> > running the fuel in a
> > > > test engine
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine> with a variable
> > > > compression ratio
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_ratio>
> > > > under controlled conditions, and comparing the
> > results with those
> > > > for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.
> > > >
> > > > There is another type of octane rating, called
> > *Motor Octane Number*
> > > > (*MON*) or the aviation lean octane rating, which
> > is a better
> > > > measure of how the fuel behaves when under load.
> > MON testing uses a
> > > > similar test engine to that used in RON testing,
> > but with a
> > > > preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed,
> > and variable ignition
> > > > timing
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_system> to
> > further
> > > > stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending
> > on the composition of
> > > > the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be
> > about 8 to 10 points
> > > > lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications
> > require both a
> > > > minimum RON and a minimum MON.
> > > >
> > > > In most countries (including all of Europe
> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe
> > > > > and Australia
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia>) the
> > > > "headline" octane rating, shown on the
> > pump, is the RON, but in the
> > > > United States
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada
> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > > > and some other countries the headline number
> > is the average of the
> > > > RON and the MON, sometimes called the *Anti-Knock
> > Index* (*AKI*),
> > > > *Road Octane Number* (*RdON*), *Pump Octane
> > Number* (*PON*), or *(R
> > > > +M)/2*. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference
> > noted above, the
> > > > octane shown in the United States is 4 to 5
> > points lower than the
> > > > same
>  fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the
> > "regular" gasoline in the
> > > > US
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States> and
> > Canada
> > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
> > > > >, is 91-92 in Europe. However most European
> > pumps deliver 95 (RON)
> > > > as "regular", equivalent to 90-91 US
> > (R+M)/2, and some even deliver
> > > > 98 (RON) or 100 (RON)."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Russell wrote:
> > > >> You won't have to worry about your 1970
> > TC head and unleaded fuel.
> > > >> The valves and seats are hard enough.
> > > >>
> > > >> We haven't been able to get leaded fuel
> > here for a long time and
> > > >> there have never been problems with valve
> > recession on a TC engine
> > > >> out here that I have heard of (I ran two
> > different engines on two
> > > >> different TCs).
> > > >>
> > > >> I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a
> > certain brand
> > > >> stations such as Chevron and Petro-Can.
> > Usually it seems to be 92
> > > >> as a maximum elsewhere.
> > > >> I had my engines rebored to 2200 which
> > reduced the compression from
> > > >> 10:1 to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane
> > requirement down from
> > > >> the original "100 octane"  :-(   to
> > 94.  I moved the timing closer
> > > >> to Top Dead Centre and things are good.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
> > > To: p6rovers at yahoo.com, "The original list for
> > Rover car
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> > >
> > >
> > > Personally , I would probably start with sending the
> > distributor off to
> > > advanced distributors to be re-curved for today's
> > fuels.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Slats
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Eric Russell"
> > <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "The original list for Rover car
> > enthusiasts." < rovernet @ rovernet
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> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:34:37 PM GMT -08:00
> > US/Canada Pacific
> > > Subject: Re: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
> > >
> > > You won't have to worry about your 1970 TC head
> > and unleaded fuel. The
> > > valves and seats are hard enough.
> > >
> > > We haven't been able to get leaded fuel here for a
> > long time and there
> > > have never been problems with valve recession on a TC
> > engine out here that
> > > I have heard of (I ran two different engines on two
> > different TCs ).
> > >
> > > I AM able to get 94 octane at great cost at a certain
> > brand stations such
> > > as Chevron and Petro-Can. ?Usually it seems to be 92
> > as a maximum
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > I had my engines rebored to 2200 which reduced the
> > compression from 10:1
> > > to about 9:1 so that reduced the octane requirement
> > down from the original
> > > "100 octane" ?:-( ? to 94. ?I moved the
> > timing closer to Top Dead Centre
> > > and things are good.
> > >
> > > You may have to add an octane boost if you have an
> > original 2000 TC engine
> > > and only can access 91 octane.
> > >
> > > The micro-adjustment on the distributor vacumm advance
> > may be a way to
> > > start. I have a strobe light for timing that has a
> > degree wheel on the
> > > back. ?That really helps when setting the timing with
> > a light.
> > >
> > > However, in short order, I imagine you get many more
> > opinions on what you
> > > can do to solve your problem. ?There are some very
> > experienced Rover
> > > mechanics on this list.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > >
> > > We
> bmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
> > > Website: ? http :// www . roverclub .ca/
> > > Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
> > > http :// www . websrus .ca
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @
> > telusplanet .net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Roy Babiuk < rababiuk @ telusplanet
> > .net>
> > > > Subject: [ Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel additives
> > > > To: rovernet @ rovernet .ca
> > > > Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:11 PM
> > > > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> > > >
> > > > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have
> > been looking
> > > > for a good one to
> > > > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> > 1980's.
> > > > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > > > The previous owner removed the heads for
> > reconditioning,
> > > > and had bronze
> > > > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> > unleaded
> > > > fuel". I have been told
> > > > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> > references
> > > > online to unleaded
> > > > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for
> > unleaded fuel?
> > > > When this project is completed, the highest
> > octane I can
> > > > find locally is 91.
> > > > What are all you other North American Rover
> > Owners using
> > > > for fuel and
> > > > additives both for lubrication and increased
> > octane?
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Roy Babiuk
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: slatskars at comcast.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
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> > > Roy,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would be more concerned with the lack of zinc in the
> > oil and the effect
> > > on cam and lifters than I would with valve recession.
> > If the head is off
> > > it is relatively inexpensive to do hardened seats and
> > valves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Slats
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Roy Babiuk"
> > <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> > > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 2:11:19 PM GMT -08:00
> > US/Canada Pacific
> > > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel additives
> > >
> > > Sorry for what may be rehash. New to the group.
> > >
> > > Purchased a 1970 2000 TC in September. I have been
> > looking for a good one
> > > to
> > > restore since my Dad sold his TC in the mid
> > 1980's.
> > > The engine will be rebuilt over the winter.
> > > The previous owner removed the heads for
> > reconditioning, and had bronze
> > > valve guides installed "for conversion to
> > unleaded fuel". I have been told
> > > this was unnecessary, but have found several
> > references online to unleaded
> > > heads. What constitutes a head suitable for unleaded
> > fuel?
> > > When this project is completed, the
> highest octane I
> > can find locally is
> > > 91.
> > > What are all you other North American Rover Owners
> > using for fuel and
> > > additives both for lubrication and increased octane?
> > > Thanks!
> > > Roy Babiuk
> > >
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> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:45 -0800
> > > From: "Geff McCarthy"
> > <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> > > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
> > > To: "'The original list for Rover car
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> > >
> > > Umm... for a price...I can sneak y'all some 100
> > Octane Low Lead aircraft
> > > fuel, for about US$ 4.50/gal!  See me furtively at
> > PDX...
> > >
> > > AvMedSafe
> > > Geff and Julie McCarthy
> > > 677 NW Melinda Ave
> > > Portland OR 97210
> > > 503-241-8468
> > > 503-799-3809 mobile
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> > > On
> > > Behalf Of Adrian McDonald
> > > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:10 PM
> > > To: Rovernet
> > > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] unleaded
> > conversion, fuel
> > > additives
> > >
> > >
> > > Take a look on the internet and check out "racing
> > fuels" or something for
> > > local suppliers of high octane gasoline. I found a
> > local (ish) 76 station
> > > that sells 100 octane
> , and they do have it in their
> > product line  It is
> > > $8.50 a gallon. I take a 5 gallon container and fill
> > it up, then I mix
> > > with
> > > 91 octane to get a potent blend for my '69 TC.
> > There are several of these
> > > stations around I think...
> > >
> > > When I first got the car, a year ago it ran hideously
> > on typical fuel that
> > > it came with. I put in the mixture juice as described,
> > and things perked
> > > up
> > > no end and I was able to adjust the timing back to the
> > original factory
> > > 100
> > > octane (UK) setting.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > > Adrian
> > >
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:01:48 +0100
> > > From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
> > > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R:  Interior trim
> > > To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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> > <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A012A4A08 at E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
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> > > Dear Aidrian,
> > >
> > > thanks for the message.
> > >
> > > Please, what about prices of a P6 carpets and trims,
> > bottoms, sills ant
> > > gear tunnel?
> > >
> > > It is only to know, I had them made new by a craftsman
> > in udine, there are
> > > only 2 or three in the town and surroundings ( 120.000
> > inhabitants, and at
> > > least 50 - 60.000 cars) so I wanted to make a
> > confrontation.
> > >
> > > By the way, he is a ve
> ry kind man and we became
> > friends, but AFTER A YEAR
> > > I am still waiting him to repaire two holes in the old
> > original rubber
> > > carpets where is written ROVER : he has only to cut
> > two sqares of rubber
> > > and to stick them in the feet position, where there is
> > the square.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your kind answer.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Gianluca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Messaggio originale-----
> > > Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per
> > > conto di Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> > > Inviato: marted? 18 novembre 2008 5.25
> > > A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > > Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Interior trim
> > >
> > > I found a couple of possibly useful sources while
> > looking for something
> > > else  - These might be helpful  for those in the US or
> > Canada
> > >
> > > P6 headliner replacements  - I'm not sure that
> > it's the perfect concours
> > > winning replacement but anything is better than what
> > is on my cars at the
> > > moment
> > >
> > >
> > <http://www.wlsheadliners.com/1969-rover-p6-2000-bowstyle-replacement-headliner-p-451.html>
> > >
> > > Carpet sets  - these people have both 2000 and 3500
> > listed in various
> > > materials from cheap and cheerful to $$$$  and a wide
> > selection of
> > > colours,
> > >
> > >
> > <http://autointeriors.biz/Carpeting/2006_AutoMat_Carpet_PDFs/2006_AutoMat_Import_Carpets.pdf>
> > >
> > > I'm not convinced that these are a better bet than
> > the sets sold by the UK
> > > specialists , but if you need a special colour or
> > material they are
> > > possibly worth considering; they do apparently have
> > sets for the trunk
> > > carpeting on the North America 3500S which were  I
> > think unique to the
> > > "Federal" cars and aren't, as far as I
> > am aware, available from the usual
> > > suspects in the UK
> > >
> > > Aidrian
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From magnet at roverclub.org  Tue Nov 25 18:31:21 2008
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 105R FS near Toronto
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP94D9C33E719157FDBE0D0910B0@phx.gbl>

James Stokes, a member of the T.A.R.C. is reluctantly selling a 105R 
that had been his father's.  The car looks to be in remarkably good 
shape for its age, and James tells me it was on the road earlier this year.

These automatic P4s must be getting quite rare on this side of the pond, 
so I hope someone will take an interest in preserving this one.

I've put an ad and some pictures of the car on the "For Sale" page of 
the TARC web site, www.roverclub.org.  The car is is located in 
Mississauga, Ontario, just outside Toronto.

Please correspond directly with James, whose contact details are on the ad.

Many thanks,

 -- Bill Daddis




From raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com  Fri Nov 28 06:38:12 2008
From: raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com (Ray Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:38:12 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
Message-ID: <008001c9514d$cb8d5a60$62a80f20$@wilkins@bigpond.com>

Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have experienced
problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. I
can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear selector
plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. Today
I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members of
this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful to
hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so what
is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,

Ray Wilkins
1976 P6B
Melbourne Australia



From lingfield51 at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 28 06:57:24 2008
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (JULIET KEILER)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:57:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
Message-ID: <290543.39067.qm@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Ray,
??? ??? Sounds very much like inhibitor swith problem. You can of course by-pass it the danger being the car will then start in all gears including reverse so ok if you have a good memory but be wary if not. Most people seem to start in park which wouldn't cause a problem. By passing would establish this is the problem and I guess Scotts Old Auto?should have one. From memeory they're a bit fiddly but not impossible to do. The switch fits on the side of the box, I think BW65's are slightly different to the 35's the principle's the same. Unclip the four wires (two are the reverse light two the inhibit switch) remove the unit, replace and re-connect. Not directly?transmission related but more electrical.

Good luck

Alan Francis (partviking)




________________________________
From: Ray Wilkins <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 11:38:12 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have experienced
problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. I
can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear selector
plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. Today
I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members of
this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful to
hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so what
is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,

Ray Wilkins
1976 P6B
Melbourne Australia


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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net  Fri Nov 28 09:54:43 2008
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:54:43 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover North America
	site?
Message-ID: <C5555443.6060%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>

Clicked on my saved link for roverna.com and got another soulless Go Daddy
site stating the wepage was "parked".
Has the site been moved or have we lost another Rover website?

Roy 



From geffandjulie at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 13:18:20 2008
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:18:20 -0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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Shouldn?t it start in Neutral, if it won?t in Park??

 

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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of JULIET KEILER
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 3:57 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

 

Ray,

        Sounds very much like inhibitor swith problem. You can of course by-pass it the danger being the car will then start in all gears including reverse so ok if you have a good memory but be wary if not. Most people seem to start in park which wouldn't cause a problem. By passing would establish this is the problem and I guess Scotts Old Auto should have one. From memeory they're a bit fiddly but not impossible to do. The switch fits on the side of the box, I think BW65's are slightly different to the 35's the principle's the same. Unclip the four wires (two are the reverse light two the inhibit switch) remove the unit, replace and re-connect. Not directly transmission related but more electrical.

 

Good luck

 

Alan Francis (partviking)

 

  _____  

From: Ray Wilkins <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 11:38:12 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have experienced
problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. I
can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear selector
plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. Today
I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members of
this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful to
hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so what
is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,

Ray Wilkins
1976 P6B
Melbourne Australia


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From slatskars at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 15:38:18 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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Ray, 



As stated earlier, shorting or bypassing the switch for trouble shooting is the way to go. To do this, simply pull both wires off of the switch and connect them together with a paper clip, tape it with electrical tape for safety and if the problem is solved, install a new switch. 



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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Fri Nov 28 15:59:52 2008
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:59:52 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
In-Reply-To: <008001c9514d$cb8d5a60$62a80f20$@wilkins@bigpond.com>
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If it starts in Neutral then it is selector adjustment.
If it starts slightly off Neutral it is inhibitor adjustment.

PVS

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To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems


> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have 
> experienced
> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. 
> I
> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear 
> selector
> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. 
> Today
> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members 
> of
> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful 
> to
> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so 
> what
> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>
> Ray Wilkins
> 1976 P6B
> Melbourne Australia
>
>
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From raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com  Fri Nov 28 18:49:44 2008
From: raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com (Ray Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:49:44 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
In-Reply-To: <28A686F8C742426FBAB3478C7F263552@VISTA>
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	<28A686F8C742426FBAB3478C7F263552@VISTA>
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The car would not start in 'park' nor would it start in 'Neutral'. I am
intrigued as to your comment about starting 'slightly off Neutral'. Could
you explain this please? Thanks,

Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Netspace
Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2008 8:00 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

If it starts in Neutral then it is selector adjustment.
If it starts slightly off Neutral it is inhibitor adjustment.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Wilkins" <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems


> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have 
> experienced
> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'.

> I
> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear 
> selector
> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. 
> Today
> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members 
> of
> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful 
> to
> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so 
> what
> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>
> Ray Wilkins
> 1976 P6B
> Melbourne Australia
>
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 28 19:21:45 2008
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:21:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover North
	America site?
In-Reply-To: <C5555443.6060%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <959077.73583.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Roy,
I believe that your second assumption is correct.  :-(
I had to remove it from our Links page so people wouldn't get annoyed.

Eric



Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:  http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca


--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover North America site?
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 6:54 AM
> Clicked on my saved link for roverna.com and got another
> soulless Go Daddy
> site stating the wepage was "parked".
> Has the site been moved or have we lost another Rover
> website?
> 
> Roy 
> 
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From lacpsyd6 at msn.com  Fri Nov 28 21:55:50 2008
From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:55:50 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Inhibitor Swith
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1227891603.25028.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.1.1227891603.25028.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <COL111-DS13D1307528DA5EEED5009B83070@phx.gbl>

Ray,

Ruth in Canada  (All British Cars) mailed me a used one when mine developed 
a leadk (yes, ATF was coming out of the inhibitor switch).  Given her a call 
for a replacement.

Lance La Certe, Psy.D., '70  P6B


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> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have 
> experienced
> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. 
> I
> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear 
> selector
> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. 
> Today
> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members 
> of
> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful 
> to
> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so 
> what
> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>
> Ray Wilkins
> 1976 P6B
> Melbourne Australia
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:57:24 +0000 (GMT)
> From: JULIET KEILER <lingfield51 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting
> Problems
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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>
> Ray,
> ??? ??? Sounds very much like inhibitor swith problem. You can of course 
> by-pass it the danger being the car will then start in all gears including 
> reverse so ok if you have a good memory but be wary if not. Most people 
> seem to start in park which wouldn't cause a problem. By passing would 
> establish this is the problem and I guess Scotts Old Auto?should have one. 
> From memeory they're a bit fiddly but not impossible to do. The switch 
> fits on the side of the box, I think BW65's are slightly different to the 
> 35's the principle's the same. Unclip the four wires (two are the reverse 
> light two the inhibit switch) remove the unit, replace and re-connect. Not 
> directly?transmission related but more electrical.
>
> Good luck
>
> Alan Francis (partviking)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ray Wilkins <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 11:38:12 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have 
> experienced
> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'. 
> I
> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear 
> selector
> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. 
> Today
> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members 
> of
> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful 
> to
> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so 
> what
> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>
> Ray Wilkins
> 1976 P6B
> Melbourne Australia
>
>
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From raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com  Sat Nov 29 01:53:45 2008
From: raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com (Ray Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:53:45 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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Thanks to everyone who responded. I have a spare BW65 and I have now
switched over the inhibitor switches. I can start in both Park and Neutral
but I could before until the problem started intermittently. I will now have
to see how it goes. I was thinking though, it is not the inhibitor switch,
what else could it be? 
Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Ray Wilkins
Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2008 10:50 AM
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

The car would not start in 'park' nor would it start in 'Neutral'. I am
intrigued as to your comment about starting 'slightly off Neutral'. Could
you explain this please? Thanks,

Ray

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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems

If it starts in Neutral then it is selector adjustment.
If it starts slightly off Neutral it is inhibitor adjustment.

PVS

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To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems


> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have 
> experienced
> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely nothing
> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the battery.
> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor switch'.

> I
> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear 
> selector
> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away. 
> Today
> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members 
> of
> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful 
> to
> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so 
> what
> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>
> Ray Wilkins
> 1976 P6B
> Melbourne Australia
>
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From rovertcv8 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 29 10:09:43 2008
From: rovertcv8 at yahoo.com (David Sheuring)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:09:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover North
	America site?
References: <C5555443.6060%rababiuk@telusplanet.net>
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Hello,
You know, I wondered the same thing. This was Glen Wilson's website and I have not heard from him as well. Has anyone out there heard from Glen? Is he ok?
David



----- Original Message ----
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:54:43 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover North America site?

Clicked on my saved link for roverna.com and got another soulless Go Daddy
site stating the wepage was "parked".
Has the site been moved or have we lost another Rover website?

Roy 


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From kkinard at att.net  Sat Nov 29 12:02:28 2008
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:02:28 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] What happened to the Rover
 North	America site?
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I have heard nothing from Glen in some time.
Kent K.

David Sheuring wrote:
> Hello,
> You know, I wondered the same thing. This was Glen Wilson's website and I have not heard from him as well. Has anyone out there heard from Glen? Is he ok?
> David
>
>   



From slatskars at comcast.net  Sat Nov 29 14:43:14 2008
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:43:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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Ray, 



You might want to check and clean all connections of your starting circuit that you can access. Follow your wiring diagram, you have battery, starter, starter solinoid ,starter relay, inhibitor switch and ignition switch all with electrical connections. I recently had an intermittent starting problem on an MGB, that was nothing but a loose push on connector to the starter relay. Sometimes it would start fine and other times, it was dead. I would check one thing after another and it would start, only to fail a few starts latter. I decided to check the starter relay by holding my finger on it feeling for action while my son-in-law turnede the key and noticed the dangling wire. I guess that it would connect by gravity at times. Pushed it back on, end of problem. It most likely was the inhibitor switch and you might want to forgo checking further until it again becomes intermittent, if ever. 



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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sat Nov 29 16:55:04 2008
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:55:04 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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Selector adjustment.
Starter.

PVS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Wilkins" <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems


> Thanks to everyone who responded. I have a spare BW65 and I have now
> switched over the inhibitor switches. I can start in both Park and Neutral
> but I could before until the problem started intermittently. I will now 
> have
> to see how it goes. I was thinking though, it is not the inhibitor switch,
> what else could it be?
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Ray Wilkins
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2008 10:50 AM
> To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
> The car would not start in 'park' nor would it start in 'Neutral'. I am
> intrigued as to your comment about starting 'slightly off Neutral'. Could
> you explain this please? Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Netspace
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2008 8:00 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
> If it starts in Neutral then it is selector adjustment.
> If it starts slightly off Neutral it is inhibitor adjustment.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Wilkins" <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" 
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:38 PM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
>
>> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have
>> experienced
>> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely 
>> nothing
>> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the 
>> battery.
>> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor 
>> switch'.
>
>> I
>> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear
>> selector
>> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away.
>> Today
>> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
>> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members
>> of
>> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful
>> to
>> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so
>> what
>> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
>> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Wilkins
>> 1976 P6B
>> Melbourne Australia
>>
>>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au  Sat Nov 29 17:10:20 2008
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:10:20 +1100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
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I have it on my P6B.
The selectors are slightly out, which means that when the box and inhibitor 
think it is neutral, the lever is slightly towards reverse.
When it is in P it is in park but won't start.

PVS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Wilkins" <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems


> The car would not start in 'park' nor would it start in 'Neutral'. I am
> intrigued as to your comment about starting 'slightly off Neutral'. Could
> you explain this please? Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] 
> On
> Behalf Of Netspace
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November 2008 8:00 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
> If it starts in Neutral then it is selector adjustment.
> If it starts slightly off Neutral it is inhibitor adjustment.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Wilkins" <raymond.wilkins at bigpond.com>
> To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'" 
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:38 PM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Automatic Starting Problems
>
>
>> Some help and advice please. Off and on for some time now I have
>> experienced
>> problems starting the car. When I turn the ignition key absolutely 
>> nothing
>> happens. The car is in 'Park' and there is plenty of juice in the 
>> battery.
>> It has been suggested it is a problem with the gearbox 'inhibitor 
>> switch'.
>
>> I
>> can push the gear stick forward (in the process dislodging the gear
>> selector
>> plate) and sometimes this works and the engine fires up straight away.
>> Today
>> I was stuck for quite some time pushing the gear lever forward many times
>> before it eventually started. I know a great many of you who are members
>> of
>> this forum have a lot of experience with the P6B and I would be grateful
>> to
>> hear if you agree with the suggestion it is the inhibitor switch. If so
>> what
>> is the remedy? A trip to the local automatic transmission shop or is it
>> likely to be electrical? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Wilkins
>> 1976 P6B
>> Melbourne Australia
>>
>>
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