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From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 01:54:44 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:54:44 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT 1969 Riley Mini Elf Mk. III
Message-ID: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
Gotta love this one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Riley-Elf-Cousin-to-Austin-Morris-Cooper-Wolsley_W0QQitemZ270435520006QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3ef7368e06&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
Item number:270435520006
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Aug 1 05:09:04 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:09:04 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT 1969 Riley Mini Elf Mk. III
References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3ABA3B1BAC40432C982CE228B5DC0857@SN037535920331>
Hi Glen
In the late 1970's , I had a 1965 Mini which had the front end of one of
these Riley Elf's grafted onto it instead of the normal mini front end.
The Riley had a rear end shunt and was almost scrap and the front end of my
Mini was well rotten, so it seamed like a good idea at the time.
I have pictures somewhere, so I'll have to try and find them.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:54 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT 1969 Riley Mini Elf Mk. III
> Gotta love this one!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Riley-Elf-Cousin-to-Austin-Morris-Cooper-Wolsley_W0QQitemZ270435520006QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3ef7368e06&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 09:06:11 2009
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT 1969 Riley Mini Elf Mk. III
Message-ID: <79194.4190.qm@web180510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Check out the 1/4 mile times. LOL!
roland
--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> wrote:
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OT 1969 Riley Mini Elf Mk. III
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 10:54 PM
Gotta love this one!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Riley-Elf-Cousin-to-Austin-Morris-Cooper-Wolsley_W0QQitemZ270435520006QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3ef7368e06&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
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From DevlinS at bp.com Sat Aug 1 12:45:42 2009
From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:45:42 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Barry Lafbery
References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15709D205@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Barry,
I have not got your email address here at home and the chap with your car must have got your address wrong because the emails are bouncing. Can you let me have your address again?
Regards
Stewart
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 13:01:22 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:01:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Barry Lafbery
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References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15709D205@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
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Stewart,
From my "Inbox", Barry's email is:
lafbery at telus.net
Eric
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Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 9:45:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Barry Lafbery
Barry,
I have not got your email address here at home and the chap with your car must have got your address wrong because the emails are bouncing.? Can you let me have your address again?
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 1 13:50:54 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:50:54 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
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Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
I'll first explain what I have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series
2' . It is fitted with a tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B.
I have installed a petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks
identical to the series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires
from the dist, Red wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to
negative side of the coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I
laid aside unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach spun up
to max then dropped back to normal readings, the car runs smoothly at idle.
The snag! when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap, sounds like a spark
jumping or arcing. I haven't taken the car out and driven it, I wanted to
solve this noise problem first. I think it must have something to do with
the tach wiring. The coil is also Petronix 'Flamethrower'. Hope someone can
shed some light on this problem.
Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Aug 1 14:25:51 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:25:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP167B8652E5CC988E7B834395110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1946129133.7759191249151151201.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Ben,
I am out of town and do not have any of my technical materials with me, but what I would suggest first, is to start the car and then have someone turn off the ignition while you observe under the hood. A dark area would be best, maybe in the evening. If nothing is observed under the hood, then look under the dash. Locating the area may help sove it. I am assuming that the B/W wire is disconnected at both ends and not arcing to ground?
If the problem is not solved by Wed. when I return, I will dig further.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 10:50:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
?I'll first explain what I have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series
2' . It is fitted with a tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B.
I have installed a petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks
identical to the series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires
from the dist, Red wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to
negative side of the coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I
laid aside unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach spun up
to max then dropped back to normal readings, the car runs smoothly at idle.
The snag! when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap, sounds like a spark
jumping or arcing. I haven't taken the car out and driven it, I wanted to
solve this noise problem first. I think it must have something to do with
the tach wiring. The coil is also Petronix 'Flamethrower'. ?Hope someone can
shed some light on this problem.
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From jaguru at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 1 14:37:36 2009
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:37:36 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need P6 Right steel
References: <4A1806FE.1090902@att.net>
Message-ID: <000d01ca12d7$24b48780$6101a8c0@toshibauser>
Kent, or anyone else..I need a good right side (US Passengers') outer sill
or rocker panel for a P6 .I received a left one from Garrett, but still need
a right. Must be steel , not fiberglass. Please contact me at
jaguru at bellsouth.net. Thank you, James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:23 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] North American P5B Owners Free Offer
> Hi Netters,
> If you own a P5B, either Saloon or Coupe, and live in North America, I
> will send you a pair of genuine Rover P5B cufflinks if you will send me a
> picture of your car and VIN. This offer is good for the first twelve cars
> only and Dirk only gets one pair:-) I am betting that there aren't twelve
> P5B owners in North America.
>
> Bill Davis, who just recently joined the list, has a P5B Coupe _LHD_,
> though he hasn't shared the details as yet.
>
> Roverfreeofferly,
> Kent K.
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From lafbery at telus.net Sat Aug 1 14:45:06 2009
From: lafbery at telus.net (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Barry Lafbery
In-Reply-To: <CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15709D205@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net>
<CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15709D205@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
Message-ID: <FAB2D3AADDA746E890B20B249C63CA6A@ChloePC>
Hi Stewart,
Thanks again for your help. I was wondering why I had not
heard from him.
my email is lafbery at telus.net
Thanks again
Barry
Barry,
I have not got your email address here at home and the chap with your car
must have got your address wrong because the emails are bouncing. Can you
let me have your address again?
Regards
Stewart
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sat Aug 1 16:51:23 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:51:23 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
References: <1946129133.7759191249151151201.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Hi Slats
Thanks for the help its appreciated. However I'm wondering if you are officially on leave from Rovernet and not just AWORL (absent with out Rover leave)
Enjoy your vacation
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sat Aug 1 18:57:40 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:57:40 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
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References: <4A73D8A4.2040908@comcast.net><CB789FF3A7FFD944A990968C777DA15709D205@bp1clais002.bp1.ad.bp.com>
<BLU0-SMTP167B8652E5CC988E7B834395110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6998DD57E0140A4BCD24BDF29D3EA09@Vista>
Unfortunately I don't know the Pertronix at all, but I'd guess at an
inductive pickup pulse sender, with the pulses having 200V or so.
It does not make total sense that the BW wire is not connected and the tacho
works.
The series 1 tacho requires current through that wire. Possibly the series
2 is counting voltage pulses on the wire instead.
I'd look at the BW wire, "laid aside" is not good since it could be now
carrying 200V
Try disconnecting it at the back of the tacho (fun I know) or securely tying
it to an insulated item eg. brake booster hose to the manifold, clutch fluid
plastic cable.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix Question.
> Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
> I'll first explain what I have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series
> 2' . It is fitted with a tach (original equip) in same type dash as the
> P6B. I have installed a petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
> All the petronix parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks
> identical to the series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires
> from the dist, Red wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to
> negative side of the coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist
> I laid aside unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach spun
> up to max then dropped back to normal readings, the car runs smoothly at
> idle. The snag! when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap, sounds like a
> spark jumping or arcing. I haven't taken the car out and driven it, I
> wanted to solve this noise problem first. I think it must have something
> to do with the tach wiring. The coil is also Petronix 'Flamethrower'.
> Hope someone can shed some light on this problem.
> Cheers Ben (irishrover)
>
>
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From roverfreak619 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 01:49:48 2009
From: roverfreak619 at yahoo.com (Rover freak)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
Message-ID: <880760.70881.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Ben, I too have the same problem with my car, let me know if you solve the problem ,, i keep a look out on RoverNet too on this topic. thanks
Nelson O' \
P4 Rover
P6 Rover
..
..
..
Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
I'll first explain what I
have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series 2' . It is fitted with
a tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B. I have installed
a petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix
parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks identical to
the series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires from the
dist, Red wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to negative
side of the coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I
laid aside unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach
spun up to max then dropped back to normal readings, the car runs
smoothly at idle. The snag! when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap,
sounds like a spark jumping or arcing. I haven't taken the car out and
driven it, I wanted to solve this noise problem first. I think it must
have something to do with the tach wiring. The coil is also Petronix
'Flamethrower'. Hope someone can shed some light on this problem.
Cheers Ben (irishrover)
Visit our website and blog at
www.irishroversbooks.com
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 06:14:10 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:14:10 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: [BritCarTalk] Rover Cyclops
available [3 Attachments]
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP6314F56420B1EDFBA77BC1950E0@phx.gbl>
Don't know if this will work but trying to forward this email from BSCC. Not a bad looking cyclopsand quite rare. No idea how much she is asking.
Regards Ben (irishrover)
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----- Original Message -----
From: roger tipple
To: BritCarTalk at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:38 PM
Subject: [BritCarTalk] Rover Cyclops available [3 Attachments]
[Attachment(s) from roger tipple included below]
Hi, Tony Fox and I recently visited a lady selling her husbands 1950? Rover P75 Cyclops near Delhi in Southern Ont. The car has sat outside for a while but is remarkably solid. The body was done some time ago and looks quite solid except for some small areas. The interior could be left as is, not perfect but passable. I gather the engine was rebuilt some time ago, but the car would have to be gone over, brake
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 07:29:43 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:29:43 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
References: <880760.70881.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP21D8D768FDD76797232B30950E0@phx.gbl>
Hi Nelson
Its been a while since we last talked! I have emailed the pertronix help line and posed my questions, I'll let you know what I find out. If I can't resolve the problem I shall go back to the old point/condenser system. I don't want to drive the car as it stands now, who knows what damage it might cause.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 07:33:04 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:33:04 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Your Information Was Received
References: <200908021030.n72AUms2022895@omr6.networksolutionsemail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP92A739F2701978AE541CBA950E0@phx.gbl>
Hi Nelson
I have listed the email and web for Pertronix below, in case
you want to contact them yourself
regards Ben (irishrover)
contact at pertronix.com
Web: www.pertronix.com
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 10:02:07 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
In-Reply-To: <880760.70881.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <880760.70881.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <504713.79486.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
I've got one fitted, but haven't noticed this problem - will check & see if it's making that pop too.
________________________________
From: Rover freak <roverfreak619 at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:49:48 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
Ben, I too have the same problem with my car, let me know if you solve the problem ,, i keep a look out on RoverNet too on this topic. thanks
Nelson O' \
P4 Rover
P6 Rover
.
.
.
Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
I'll first explain what I
have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series 2' . It is fitted with
a tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B. I have installed
a petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix
parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks identical to
the series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires from the
dist, Red wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to negative
side of the coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I
laid aside unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach
spun up to max then dropped back to normal readings, the car runs
smoothly at idle. The snag! when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap,
sounds like a spark jumping or arcing. I haven't taken the car out and
driven it, I wanted to solve this noise problem first. I think it must
have something to do with the tach wiring. The coil is also Petronix
'Flamethrower'. Hope someone can shed some light on this problem.
Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 11:50:39 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:50:39 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
References: <880760.70881.qm@web111307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<504713.79486.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Jim
Is your car the Series Two? with tach, because that somehow seems to be what is causng my problem. I don't think its a problem with Series One cars.
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 12:04:49 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
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Hi Ben,
Yes - mine is Series II
Jim
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 11:50:39 AM
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Hi Jim
Is
your car the Series Two? with tach, because that somehow seems to be what is
causng my problem. I don't think its a problem with Series One
cars.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 12:07:48 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was:Petronic ignition dis, tac problems,
now circuit diagram
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Hi, all:
If someone can send me a photocopy (or better still - a scan) of the circuit diagram for Ben's Rover model, I will post it on our website as an International point of reference for discussion of this problem.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 8:50:39 AM
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Hi Jim
???????? Is your car the Series Two? with tach, because that somehow seems to be what is causng my problem. I don't think its a problem with Series One cars.
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Sun Aug 2 12:22:50 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:22:50 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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Hello Guys,
I have replaced every points system on my Rovers P3 through P6 with Petronix
with flawless results. However I found it best to replace the coil at the
same time. Your issue may be that you have a bad coil wire and or coil it
could also be a wire not fully seated into the coil. I had a similar problem
with a Malory ignition system. I had to replace the coil and the wire. I
have always used the Petronix flame thrower coil with the ignition system, I
just peel off the stupid flame sticker on the coil. LOOK AT THE COIL
WIRE!!!!!
For what it is worth
Dirk
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:29:43 -0300
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
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Hi Nelson
Its been a while since we last talked! I have emailed the
pertronix help line and posed my questions, I'll let you know what I find
out. If I can't resolve the problem I shall go back to the old
point/condenser system. I don't want to drive the car as it stands now, who
knows what damage it might cause.
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Hi Nelson
I have listed the email and web for Pertronix below, in case
you want to contact them yourself
regards Ben (irishrover)
contact at pertronix.com
Web: www.pertronix.com
Visit our website and blog at
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac
problems
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I've got one fitted, but haven't noticed this problem - will check & see if
it's making that pop too.
________________________________
From: Rover freak <roverfreak619 at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:49:48 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
Ben, I too have the same problem with my car, let me know if you solve the
problem ,, i keep a look out on RoverNet too on this topic. thanks Nelson O'
\
P4 Rover
P6 Rover
.
.
.
Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
I'll first explain what I
have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series 2' . It is fitted with a
tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B. I have installed a
petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix
parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks identical to the
series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires from the dist, Red
wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to negative side of the
coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I laid aside
unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach spun up to max then
dropped back to normal readings, the car runs smoothly at idle. The snag!
when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap, sounds like a spark jumping or
arcing. I haven't taken the car out and driven it, I wanted to solve this
noise problem first. I think it must have something to do with the tach
wiring. The coil is also Petronix 'Flamethrower'. Hope someone can shed
some light on this problem.
Cheers Ben (irishrover)
Visit our website and blog at
www.irishroversbooks.com
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From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac
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Hi Jim
Is your car the Series Two? with tach, because that somehow seems
to be what is causng my problem. I don't think its a problem with Series One
cars.
regards Ben (irishrover) Visit our
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From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Aug 2 13:17:43 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:17:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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You are right Dirk, in that basically, all these systems do is replace the point/condenser set as a source of ground to enable the development of a 12 volt square wave, to feed the coil. When the final solution is found it is normally quite simple. T/hat is why I suggested to Ben that he observe in a darkened condition. The thought also occurred to me that a capacitor/condenser could be discharging. But, I think that your suggestion that the coil wire may be leaking is a good one to check.
We are enjoying our trip to Central Oregon (Bend), but will be glad to get back to my technical resources.
Slats
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 9:22:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
?Hello Guys,
I have replaced every points system on my Rovers P3 through P6 with Petronix
with flawless results. However I found it best to replace the coil at the
same time. Your issue may be that you have a bad coil wire and or coil it
could also be a wire not fully seated into the coil. I had a similar problem
with a Malory ignition system. I had to replace the coil and the wire. I
have always used the Petronix flame thrower coil with the ignition system, I
just peel off the stupid flame sticker on the coil. ?LOOK AT THE COIL
WIRE!!!!!
For what it is worth
Dirk
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From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
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????????problems
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Hi Nelson
?? ? ? ? ? ? Its been a while since we last talked! I have emailed the
pertronix help line and posed my questions, I'll let you know what I find
out. If I can't resolve the problem I shall go back to the old
point/condenser system. I don't want to drive the car as it stands now, who
knows what damage it might cause.
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? regards Ben (irishrover) Visit our
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?Hi Nelson
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have listed the email and web for Pertronix below, in case
you want to contact them yourself
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?regards Ben (irishrover)
contact at pertronix.com
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
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????????problems
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I've got one fitted, but haven't noticed this problem - will check & see if
it's making that pop too.
________________________________
From: Rover freak <roverfreak619 at yahoo.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:49:48 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronic ignition dis, tac problems
Ben, I too have the same problem with my car, let me know if you solve the
problem ,, i keep a look out on RoverNet too on this topic. thanks Nelson O'
\
P4 Rover
P6 Rover
.
.
.
Calling on the Rover Oracles for help.
I'll first explain what I
have done so far. I have a 1971 TC 2000 'Series 2' . It is fitted with a
tach (original equip) in same type dash as the P6B. I have installed a
petronix unit from an early TC and hit a snag.
All the petronix
parts are fitted properly in the distributor which looks identical to the
series one TC's. Next I installed the two petronix wires from the dist, Red
wire to the postive side of the coil, Black wire to negative side of the
coil. The original B/W pigtail wire from coil to dist I laid aside
unconnected to anything. When I started the car the tach spun up to max then
dropped back to normal readings, the car runs smoothly at idle. The snag!
when I turn off the ignition I hear a snap, sounds like a spark jumping or
arcing. I haven't taken the car out and driven it, I wanted to solve this
noise problem first. I think it must have something to do with the tach
wiring. The coil is also Petronix 'Flamethrower'. ?Hope someone can shed
some light on this problem.
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
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Hi Jim
?? ? ? ? Is your car the Series Two? with tach, because that somehow seems
to be what is causng my problem. I don't think its a problem with Series One
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 15:33:24 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:33:24 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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The pertronix saga continues, I have listened and watched carefully in dark conditions and now have no idea where the noise is coming from, certainly not the coil/dist area.. When I sit in the car and turn ignition off it sounds like a snap. When I get Linda to turn off the ignition while I stand close to coil the sound is different and appears to be coming from somewhere else. I had my hand on the inner fender wall and think I felt the sound thru my hand. Almost like a solenoid activating or shutting. I have tried two other coil wires and the coil is the Flamethower. I'm still waiting to hear from Pertronix I emailed them this morning. I have checked the connections and all are tight. I may try another coil but will wait for pertronix answer first..
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From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:49:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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Ben,
Could it be an anti-run-on solenoid? I know that later MGB's (72-74)?used these. They are normally located near the charcoal canister. Check your manual or wiring diagram to see if you have one of those.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 2 16:16:43 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:16:43 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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Hi Slats
Even away from your technical books you remain a Rover Guru!!!.you can take and extra weeks holiday on me!! I replaced the anti run on solenoid a few months ago, in fact I had a good used one from a MGB that works well. Its located close to the wiper motor on the TC so I could reach out of the car and hold it while turning off the ignition, sure enough that was the snap. Its funny I never heard it before. Maybe I did but thought it normal at the time. Only after installing the pertronix did I notice and of course I was listening for strange noises then. Thanks Slats for all your wise help, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice, this is what makes the rovernet so valuable. Hope you are taking note Nelson!
Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:52:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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Glad that I could help Ben! Thanks for the offer of the extra week, but I am ready to go home on time. Too many things pilled up and growth to mow. Not a Rover Guru, but MG's maybe. My strong areas are SU's (carbs and fuel pumps), Lucas distributors and wiring in general.
Slats
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Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:16:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
?
Hi Slats
?????????? Even away from your technical books you remain a Rover Guru!!!.you can take and extra weeks holiday on me!!?I replaced the anti run on solenoid a few months ago, in fact I had a good used one from a MGB that works well. Its located close to the wiper motor on the TC so I could reach out of the car and hold it while turning off the ignition, sure enough that was the snap. Its funny I never heard it before. Maybe I did but thought it normal at the time. Only after installing the pertronix did I notice and of course I was listening for strange noises then. Thanks Slats for all your wise help, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice, this is what makes the rovernet so valuable. Hope you are taking note Nelson!
??????????????????????????????????????? Cheers Ben (irishrover)
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 20:16:00 2009
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:16:00 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Hi all ...
I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
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From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:01:00 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
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Where can I get one for a P6B? They have a different gear size to a P6.
Any wrecker recommendations anyone?
PVS
From slatskars at comcast.net Sun Aug 2 21:32:42 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:32:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
?
???????????? I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to?get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson?
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Sun Aug 2 22:02:45 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:02:45 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix
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Hi Ben,
It sounds like the starter solenoid, Is it mounted just behind the lights as
a series 1 is? Perhaps your getting a discharge to it?
Dirk
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:33:24 -0300
From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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The pertronix saga continues, I have listened and watched carefully in dark
conditions and now have no idea where the noise is coming from, certainly
not the coil/dist area.. When I sit in the car and turn ignition off it
sounds like a snap. When I get Linda to turn off the ignition while I stand
close to coil the sound is different and appears to be coming from somewhere
else. I had my hand on the inner fender wall and think I felt the sound thru
my hand. Almost like a solenoid activating or shutting. I have tried two
other coil wires and the coil is the Flamethower. I'm still waiting to hear
from Pertronix I emailed them this morning. I have checked the connections
and all are tight. I may try another coil but will wait for pertronix answer
first..
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From: slatskars at comcast.net
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Ben,
Could it be an anti-run-on solenoid? I know that later MGB's (72-74)?used
these. They are normally located near the charcoal canister. Check your
manual or wiring diagram to see if you have one of those.
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From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
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Hi Slats
Even away from your technical books you remain a Rover
Guru!!!.you can take and extra weeks holiday on me!! I replaced the anti run
on solenoid a few months ago, in fact I had a good used one from a MGB that
works well. Its located close to the wiper motor on the TC so I could reach
out of the car and hold it while turning off the ignition, sure enough that
was the snap. Its funny I never heard it before. Maybe I did but thought it
normal at the time. Only after installing the pertronix did I notice and of
course I was listening for strange noises then. Thanks Slats for all your
wise help, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice, this is what
makes the rovernet so valuable. Hope you are taking note Nelson!
Cheers Ben (irishrover) Visit our
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From: slatskars at comcast.net
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Glad that I could help Ben! Thanks for the offer of the extra week, but I am
ready to go home on time. Too many things pilled up and growth to mow. Not a
Rover Guru, but MG's maybe. My strong areas are SU's (carbs and fuel pumps),
Lucas distributors and wiring in general.
Slats
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From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:16:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Petronix problems
?
Hi Slats
?????????? Even away from your technical books you remain a Rover
Guru!!!.you can take and extra weeks holiday on me!!?I replaced the anti run
on solenoid a few months ago, in fact I had a good used one from a MGB that
works well. Its located close to the wiper motor on the TC so I could reach
out of the car and hold it while turning off the ignition, sure enough that
was the snap. Its funny I never heard it before. Maybe I did but thought it
normal at the time. Only after installing the pertronix did I notice and of
course I was listening for strange noises then. Thanks Slats for all your
wise help, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice, this is what
makes the rovernet so valuable. Hope you are taking note Nelson!
??????????????????????????????????????? Cheers Ben (irishrover) Visit our
website and blog at www.irishroversbooks.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:16:00 +0000
From: Bill Robertson <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Hi all ...
I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69
2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada
website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was
defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not
start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side
of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the
pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of
coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and
instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my
fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should
have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to get a pertronix again and
try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson
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From: "Netspace" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
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Where can I get one for a P6B? They have a different gear size to a P6.
Any wrecker recommendations anyone?
PVS
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:32:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: slatskars at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it
should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read
them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have
always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that
there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I
find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you
still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you
send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it
was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there
was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
?
???????????? I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69
2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada
website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was
defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not
start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side
of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the
pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of
coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and
instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my
fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should
have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to?get a pertronix again and
try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system Bill
Robertson?
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 01:06:56 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Slats,
The circuit diagram I used was for my 1969 Rover 2000 TC.? The system worked for me. From what I can see in a late workshop manual the?Series 2 P6?Rovers have a different circuit diagram.? If someone can match Ben's Rover to a?circuit diagram and send me the diagram I can post it for reference.
Also, if someone installs a Pertronix on a 3500S (P6B) Rover, writes up directions and sends a few pictures, I can post it on our Practical Tips page to help others in the future.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 6:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
?
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
?
???????????? I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to?get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson?
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 3 01:12:52 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:12:52 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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He has a series 2 round instrument model, which counts voltage pulse rather than current pulses as series 1 tachos do. The negative side of the coil is an input to the tacho (parallel not series). On a series 1 the primary current flows through the tach.
PVS
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Slats,
The circuit diagram I used was for my 1969 Rover 2000 TC. The system worked for me. From what I can see in a late workshop manual the Series 2 P6 Rovers have a different circuit diagram. If someone can match Ben's Rover to a circuit diagram and send me the diagram I can post it for reference.
Also, if someone installs a Pertronix on a 3500S (P6B) Rover, writes up directions and sends a few pictures, I can post it on our Practical Tips page to help others in the future.
Eric
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Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 02:23:33 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:23:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Eric,
As mentioned, I am in Bend, OR for three more days. Will try to look over the diagram when I get back. No reference manuals or Pertronix instructions with me this trip. Sounds like Ben's problems are minimal now, we need to work on Bill Robertson's. His is that neither Pertronix that he tried worked.
I do enjoy troubleshooting!
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 10:06:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Slats,
The circuit diagram I used was for my 1969 Rover 2000 TC.? The system worked for me. From what I can see in a late workshop manual the?Series 2 P6?Rovers have a different circuit diagram.? If someone can match Ben's Rover to a?circuit diagram and send me the diagram I can post it for reference.
Also, if someone installs a Pertronix on a 3500S (P6B) Rover, writes up directions and sends a few pictures, I can post it on our Practical Tips page to help others in the future.
Eric
? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 6:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
?
???????????? I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to?get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson?
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From WMurray at ARTC.com.au Mon Aug 3 02:27:00 2009
From: WMurray at ARTC.com.au (Wayne Murray)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:27:00 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
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G'day PVS,I may be able to help, I have a few bits left over from a '72
P6B that had terminal cancer, mail me at w.murray at artc.com.au
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Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:01 AM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
Where can I get one for a P6B? They have a different gear size to a P6.
Any wrecker recommendations anyone?
PVS
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 3 02:38:43 2009
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:38:43 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
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That mail address bounced:
The following message to <w.murray at artc.com.au> was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'Requested action not taken: mailbox
unavailable'
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:27 PM
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> G'day PVS,I may be able to help, I have a few bits left over from a '72
> P6B that had terminal cancer, mail me at w.murray at artc.com.au
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 11:01 AM
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> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BW35 speedo drive in Australia
>
> Where can I get one for a P6B? They have a different gear size to a P6.
> Any wrecker recommendations anyone?
>
> PVS
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 3 06:37:17 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:37:17 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Hi Folks
I have eliminated the noise, had nothing to do with the pertronix! but I still have an issue with the tach. I took the car for a drive last night and was very pleased with the improvement but the tach was almost red lining at 50mph. It runs at roughly 5000 rpm while the car is actually doing 80 kph. The B/W wire is eliminated from the system completely and the pertronix black wire replaces it. What do I do now????
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 07:06:43 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Hotmail)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Hi Ben
If this is a induction loop tachometer you can try this:
Look at the back of the tachometer and you should see a wire looped to
pass trough a loop on the back housing. This is the wire from the
dissy to the coil. Undo and have the wire just pass through the loop
once, that should reduce the signal to something that the tachometer
can handle. Once you have done that you should find a small rubber
plug on the back housing remove that to gain access to the trimimg
screw. Using a service tachometer and with the engine running at about
2,500 rpm adjust the tach to match. That should sort things.
Theory to above is something like this; the tach senses the signal
going through the wire in the loop. With a regular contact system the
dwell can be quite short but with an electronic system it can be a
stronger current and a longer dwell. These can both effect the tach's
accurracy. By only having the wire passing through the loop once you
are effectively halving the induction signal so thereby getting things
closer to original spec for the tachometer. I first heard of this mod
when I fitted a Crane optical electronic system to my TC.
The above stuff was on a series one tachometer but would imagine holds
true for a series two, maybe someone can confirm?
Cheers
Steven
On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:37, "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Hi Folks
> I have eliminated the noise, had nothing to do with the
> pertronix! but I still have an issue with the tach. I took the car
> for a drive last night and was very pleased with the improvement
> but the tach was almost red lining at 50mph. It runs at roughly 5000
> rpm while the car is actually doing 80 kph. The B/W wire is
> eliminated from the system completely and the pertronix black wire
> replaces it. What do I do now????
> regards Ben
> (irishrover)
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> www.irishroversbooks.com
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 3 09:38:54 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:38:54 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 10:00:16 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:00:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Re:? Bill's problem.? I've put Pertronix on both positive and negative earth cars - the unit is extremey polarity sensitive, so if you hooked up a unit with polarity different from the car's it will be fried.
HTH
Jim
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 2:23:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Eric,
?
As mentioned, I am in Bend, OR for three more days. Will try to look over the diagram when I get back. No reference manuals or Pertronix instructions with me this trip. Sounds like Ben's problems are minimal now, we need to work on Bill Robertson's. His is that neither Pertronix that he tried worked.
I do enjoy troubleshooting!
?
Slats
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From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 10:06:56 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Slats,
The circuit diagram I used was for my 1969 Rover 2000 TC.? The system worked for me. From what I can see in a late workshop manual the?Series 2 P6?Rovers have a different circuit diagram.? If someone can match Ben's Rover to a?circuit diagram and send me the diagram I can post it for reference.
Also, if someone installs a Pertronix on a 3500S (P6B) Rover, writes up directions and sends a few pictures, I can post it on our Practical Tips page to help others in the future.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 6:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sounds very much like an installation error, Bill. With that many tries, it should have worked. Not knocking Eric's instructions (will have to read them), but did you have the right polarity, they come both ways? I have always followed the instructions that come with the unit. I would guess that there was something that you did not disconnect from the original set up. I find them pretty reliable and the warranty service is quite good. If you still have a faulty unit, contact them and they will most likely have you send it back for testing. I thought that I had a bad one sent it back and it was returned promptly saying that it checked out fine. It works, but there was no explanation of what they did to it. Also, no charge!
?
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:16:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Hi all ...
?
???????????? I myself had trouble with installing a Pertronix in my 69 2000TC ............I followed Erics instructions on the Rover club of Canada website.......I also installed the Flame thrower coil...The first module was defective and they gave me a new one.........The car would not start...........After double checking everything........red wire to pos side of coil and black to the dist wire attached to the pigtail.....nothing........tried then to put the black to the neg side of coil as suggested .....nothing.......put points and condensor back in and instant start.......tried again last year with another pertronix out of my fathers MG....same number and nothing ...i gave up...........guess i should have asked on here alot sooner......i'd like to?get a pertronix again and try since they are supposed to be much better than the points system
Bill Robertson?
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 12:37:17 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:37:17 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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BEN RODGERS wrote:
> I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire
> into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
>
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having
tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting
current pulses.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 13:05:07 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Ben,
Some low level research turns up some possible differences in Pertronix model numbers for the same year range:
http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/rover.htm
httphttp://www.pertronix.com/catalogs/pdf/ptx/2007/ptx_2007.pdf
(Search "Rover")
Based upon the points made about how a later Rover senses pulse acording to voltage versus the 1969 series using current pulses you my have the wrong Pertronix unit.? Use the above link to Pertronix and come armed with the distributor number on your actual distributor (you may have to use a flashight and a mirror :-(
Eric
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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
??????????????????????????????????????? regards Ben (irishrover)
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 15:49:31 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:49:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Eric & Ben,
After looking at both of your links, I would say that Ben, probably has the correct unit. The Pertronix LU 142A is the only one listed for his 2000 TC. That by the way is the same unit used on MGB's and many other LBC's with a Lucas 25D. The Pertronix only replaces the points/condenser, it does not affect the advance mechanisms or performance curves.
The first link to vintage performance had some bad information. My 64 P-5 is positive ground. Their listing shows negative. Ben's problem is with the tachometer input, not the Pertronix. They may be able to assist with a solution or recommendation. I will dig into my resources when I get home.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:05:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Ben,
Some low level research turns up some possible differences in Pertronix model numbers for the same year range:
http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/rover.htm
httphttp://www.pertronix.com/catalogs/pdf/ptx/2007/ptx_2007.pdf
(Search "Rover")
Based upon the points made about how a later Rover senses pulse acording to voltage versus the 1969 series using current pulses you my have the wrong Pertronix unit.? Use the above link to Pertronix and come armed with the distributor number on your actual distributor (you may have to use a flashight and a mirror :-(
Eric
? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
??????????????????????????????????????? regards Ben (irishrover)
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 15:51:49 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
BEN RODGERS wrote:
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
????
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 18:05:55 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Sorry, but I consider the message of "Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
Ref:
http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
BEN RODGERS wrote:
>
>I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
>
>
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 20:02:55 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:02:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sorry, but I consider the message of ?" Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
Ref:
http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
Eric
List Administrator
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
BEN RODGERS wrote:
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
????
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Mon Aug 3 20:05:33 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:05:33 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
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I agree with Slats.
Looking at the factory wiring diagram for round instrument 3500s, the primary current does pass through the tach - uggh (white/grey goes to coil neg, white/black goes to points). It also has a 12V feed (whiite), so it could count either voltage pulses or current pulses - uggh. It does not have an earth according to the manual.
I think this is the same setup as XJ Jags incidentally.
That it is working at all with the WB disconnected means it isn't a current pulse counter.
However why then does the current go through it normally? Dunno. Is it just wired strangely?
I would have to open the tach up to see why it has been wired in to the car as it has.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: slatskars at comcast.net
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Eric & Ben,
After looking at both of your links, I would say that Ben, probably has the correct unit. The Pertronix LU 142A is the only one listed for his 2000 TC. That by the way is the same unit used on MGB's and many other LBC's with a Lucas 25D. The Pertronix only replaces the points/condenser, it does not affect the advance mechanisms or performance curves.
The first link to vintage performance had some bad information. My 64 P-5 is positive ground. Their listing shows negative. Ben's problem is with the tachometer input, not the Pertronix. They may be able to assist with a solution or recommendation. I will dig into my resources when I get home.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 10:05:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Ben,
Some low level research turns up some possible differences in Pertronix model numbers for the same year range:
http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/rover.htm
httphttp://www.pertronix.com/catalogs/pdf/ptx/2007/ptx_2007.pdf
(Search "Rover")
Based upon the points made about how a later Rover senses pulse acording to voltage versus the 1969 series using current pulses you my have the wrong Pertronix unit. Use the above link to Pertronix and come armed with the distributor number on your actual distributor (you may have to use a flashight and a mirror :-(
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:38:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 20:11:26 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Re: Pertronix troubles
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slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>
>
>
> Slats
>
May your wainscoting liquefy and get your baseboards all icky.
;-)
Glen
> BEN RODGERS wrote:
>
> I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three
> wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white -
> grey.
>
>
>
> That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars
> having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for
> counting current pulses.
>
> Glen
>
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 20:25:01 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:25:01 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very
> sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a
> friend.
>
>
>
> Slats
>
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be
permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can
never be mitigated by one lousy smiley. In fact, that may not have been
a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the
tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far
too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never
learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control.
May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward
Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes
dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> Sorry, but I consider the message of "Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49
> PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
>
> Ref:
>
> http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
>
> Eric
>
> List Administrator
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>
>
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> BEN RODGERS wrote:
>
> I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three
> wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white -
> grey.
>
>
>
> That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars
> having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for
> counting current pulses.
>
> Glen
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 21:10:12 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:10:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Re: Pertronix troubles
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Thanks Glen!
I need help in making smiley faces! Still friends I hope.
This is an interesting problem, but all my info is at home. Some of the MOSS MGB catalogs had some good stuff on tachometers, but I do not have it memorized, yet! Will also see what rick Astley had in the MGB Electrical systems book on this subject. His second edition is now out and available on Amazon.com. Great book on auto electrical systems, particularly Lucas. He just happens to own an MGB and so used it as the demonstration vehicle, but 99 % applies to any LBC.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:11:26 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Re: ?Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
May your wainscoting liquefy and get your baseboards all icky.
;-)
Glen
BEN RODGERS wrote:
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
????
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 21:12:53 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:12:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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I am all for it except the costume, but I will buy the beer. How about next year as I venture East in my 67 Porsche 912 on my trip of a lifetime.
Slats
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats ? ?Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
Slats
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley.? In fact, that may not have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sorry, but I consider the message of ?" Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
Ref:
http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
Eric
List Administrator
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
BEN RODGERS wrote:
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
????
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Mon Aug 3 19:07:07 2009
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:07:07 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix/Tach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38.1249337149.27540.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.38.1249337149.27540.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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The comments re altering the inductive pickup loop on the tach may still
apply.
Some tachs without the external loop have it inside the tach. I think
this may be one of them, but I don't have the reference stuff to figure
it out easily.
Various aftermarket ignition mfrs have fixes for how their respective
systems affect Smith's tachs - they are different from everyone else's
and evidently work by random probability, but only with real Lucas smoke.
Suggest going to the UK MGEnthusiast board and ask for Paul Hunt.
There are a couple of discussions about tach-ish problems going on a
couple of the subfora.
FRM
From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 21:32:17 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
In-Reply-To: <4A777FDD.7030506@comcast.net>
References: <368143388.8421491249344175637.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
<4A777FDD.7030506@comcast.net>
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Hmmm...... Glen........ I forgot the power of your pen......??;-)
Sorry............ perhaps I was too hair-trigger on my concerns about the nature of list postings ........ should I err on the side of caution or let the reader beware? Tough decisions... Slats has been a supportive Rovernet subscriber and a valued?RCCC member.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
>?
>Slats
>
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley.? In fact, that may not have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>
>Sorry, but I consider the message of ?"Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
>
>Ref:
>http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
>Eric
>List Administrator
>"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
>To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>
>Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>?
>Slats
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>BEN RODGERS wrote:
>I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
>>????
>>
>That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
>
>Glen
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 22:43:24 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:43:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix/Tach
In-Reply-To: <4A776D9B.3050507@usachoice.net>
Message-ID: <1561017037.8477831249353804246.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Paul Hunts, e-mail is paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk . He is a very sharp member of the MGB group. Very technical and detail oriented.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fletcher Millmore" <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 4:07:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix/Tach
The comments re altering the inductive pickup loop on the tach may still
apply.
Some tachs without the external loop have it inside the tach. I think
this may be one of them, but I don't have the reference stuff to figure
it out easily.
Various aftermarket ignition mfrs have fixes for how their respective
systems affect Smith's tachs - they are different from everyone else's
and evidently work by random probability, but only with real Lucas smoke.
Suggest going to the UK MGEnthusiast board and ask for Paul Hunt.
There are a couple of discussions about tach-ish problems going on a
couple of the subfora.
FRM
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Aug 3 22:46:49 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:46:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
In-Reply-To: <47027.66955.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <521337659.8478851249354009053.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Eric,
Back in the PA and NJ area it is very common to echange insults among friends. Much unlike B.C. I am certain that Glen took it as intended. Don't want him to get too big a head.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:32:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats ? ?Pertronix troubles
Hmmm...... Glen........ I forgot the power of your pen......??;-)
Sorry............ perhaps I was too hair-trigger on my concerns about the nature of list postings ........ should I err on the side of caution or let the reader beware? Tough decisions... Slats has been a supportive Rovernet subscriber and a valued?RCCC member.
Eric
? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
Slats
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley.? In fact, that may not have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Sorry, but I consider the message of ?" Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
Ref:
http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
Eric
List Administrator
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
BEN RODGERS wrote:
I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are? white. - white -?yellow.? white - grey.
????
That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
Glen
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From rovercar at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 00:49:09 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:49:09 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
In-Reply-To: <521337659.8478851249354009053.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <4A77BDC5.2090507@comcast.net>
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
>
>
> Back in the PA and NJ area it is very common to echange insults among
> friends. Much unlike B.C. I am certain that Glen took it as intended.
> Don't want him to get too big a head.
>
>
>
> Slats
>
Actually, I thought Eric was kidding about the flaming, even sans
smileys. I spent about an hour on the phone with my son's in-laws-to-be
in British Columbia. I think they live in New Westminster. Eric's going
to be the strange uncle who looks after them when they are married and
living in Canada.
Slats may have to meet me in Seattle some day when I fly out to see my
future grandchildren.
Glen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:32:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
>
> Hmmm...... Glen........ I forgot the power of your pen...... ;-)
>
> Sorry............ perhaps I was too hair-trigger on my concerns about
> the nature of list postings ........ should I err on the side of
> caution or let the reader beware? Tough decisions... Slats has been a
> supportive Rovernet subscriber and a valued RCCC member.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
>
> slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very
> sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him
> a friend.
>
>
>
> Slats
>
>
> Eric,
>
> Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be
> permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment
> can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley. In fact, that may not
> have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to
> be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has
> sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades
> because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he
> simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's
> place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a
> coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will
> consider the matter closed.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> Sorry, but I consider the message of "Monday, August 3, 2009
> 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
>
> Ref:
>
> http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
>
> Eric
>
> List Administrator
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>
>
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> BEN RODGERS wrote:
>
> I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just
> three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white
> - yellow. white - grey.
>
>
>
> That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars
> having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for
> counting current pulses.
>
> Glen
>
> _______________________________________________ Rovernet mailing
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From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 05:54:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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Glen,
I knew he was serious when he sent me the "regulation". At least you and I understand the game.
Seattle is doable, it is only about three hours. I live just nine miles North of the Columbia River?and Portland, OR.
Practicing my smilely face ;-) Is that better?
Slats
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 4 07:59:18 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:59:18 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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I think if Slats feels uncomfortable wearing the Anne costume, then perhaps we could each wear one!. Regards drinking beer in the coracle, there are strict rules passed down thru the gaes by Irish monks that only Blackbush may be consumed aboard. Besides the coracle is a mark one model and came without cup holders.
Regards Ben (irishrover)
PS- This isn;t helping my tach problem!!!! :) (is that a smiley face?)
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 12:18:54 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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People may remember, have forgotten, or weren't around for a heated exchange between Glen and someone else on this forum. Unknown to readers, I was criticized by private email for not stepping in sooner. There are members who send me private email if they feel the Rovernet is going off course. Unfortunately, I have to assume the role of referee or umpire and we know everyone hates *those* positions. :-)
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 7:46:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
Eric,
Back in the PA and NJ area it is very common to echange insults among friends. Much unlike B.C. I am certain that Glen took it as intended. Don't want him to get too big a head.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:32:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
Hmmm...... Glen........ I forgot the power of your pen...... ;-)
Sorry............ perhaps I was too hair-trigger on my concerns about the nature of list postings ........ should I err on the side of caution or let the reader beware? Tough decisions... Slats has been a supportive Rovernet subscriber and a valued RCCC member.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
>Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
>
>Slats
>
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley. In fact, that may not have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>
>Sorry, but I consider the message of "Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
>
>Ref:
>http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
>Eric
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> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
>To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> >
>Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>
>Slats
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>BEN RODGERS wrote:
> >>
>>I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
>>
>>
>That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
>
>Glen
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Tue Aug 4 12:29:33 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:29:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: Slats Pertronix troubles
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Sent: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 5:28:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
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From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 5:18:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
People may remember, have forgotten, or weren't around for a heated exchange between Glen and someone else on this forum. Unknown to readers, I was criticized by private email for not stepping in sooner. There are members who send me private email if they feel the Rovernet is going off course. Unfortunately, I have to assume the role of referee or umpire and we know everyone hates *those* positions. :-)
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 7:46:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
Eric,
Back in the PA and NJ area it is very common to echange insults among friends. Much unlike B.C. I am certain that Glen took it as intended. Don't want him to get too big a head.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:32:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
Hmmm...... Glen........ I forgot the power of your pen...... ;-)
Sorry............ perhaps I was too hair-trigger on my concerns about the nature of list postings ........ should I err on the side of caution or let the reader beware? Tough decisions... Slats has been a supportive Rovernet subscriber and a valued RCCC member.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 5:25:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Slats Pertronix troubles
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
>Sorry, Eric. I tried to put a smiley face face on it. Not very sucessfully I guess. Just teasing Glen a little. I do consider him a friend.
>
>Slats
>
Eric,
Slats has never been nice to me, has a surly disposition and should be permanently banned from the website. Such a hurtful, nasty sentiment can never be mitigated by one lousy smiley. In fact, that may not have been a smiley, at all. Look at it. On reflection, it appears to be simply the tremorous typing of an aging electrical engineer who has sustained far too many electrical shocks over the course of decades because he never learned to keep one hand in his pocket. Perhaps, he simply lost control. May I suggest that the three of us meet at Ben's place on Prince Edward Island and share some beers while floating in a coracle. If Slats comes dressed as Anne of Green Gables, I will consider the matter closed.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:05:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>
>Sorry, but I consider the message of "Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM" to be approaching the definition of a "Flame".
>
>Ref:
>http://www.internet-guide.co.uk/email-flame.html
>Eric
>List Administrator
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
>
>
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________________________________
From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
>To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:51:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
> >
>Right on Glen, (for a change) : )
>
>Slats
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Wilson" <rovercar at comcast.net>
>To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 9:37:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Pertronix troubles
>
>BEN RODGERS wrote:
> >>
>>I have checked the back of my tach, don't see any loop just three wire into the tach, colours are white. - white - yellow. white - grey.
>>
>>
>That's consistent with what was already said about Series 2 cars having tachs that count voltage pulses. The loop would be used for counting current pulses.
>
>Glen
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 12:33:59 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:33:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
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.........we could just drop the subject....
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 4 16:26:52 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:26:52 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] To Slats-Pertronix
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4684DA81AB998A56856F9A950C0@phx.gbl>
Hi Slats
I emailed Paul and have attached his answer below, I'm afraid
that most of what he's telling me is over my head. I don't know what RVI or
RVC means and have no idea if my tach is one of these???
Regards Ben (irishrover)
Hi Ben,
This problem (various electronic ignition systems not just Petronix) is a
frequent cause of the same problem on 1972 and earlier MGBs. These have a
'current pulse' triggered tach with an RVI number on the face plate, whereas
the later 'voltage pulse' triggered tachs with an RVC number on the face
plate on 1973 and later MGBs don't have the problem.
One suggested cure for the RVI tachs, but it doesn't always work, concerns
how the ignition wire is routed through the pickup. Originally there is one
full turn of the wire through the pickup i.e. it goes through twice. The
change is to pass it through only one, i.e. half a turn, and the tach may
need recalibrating. Originally the pickups on MGB tachs were external and a
continuous loop of wire came out of the harness, through the pickup then
back into the harness. Then it changed to having an external pickup with a
short piece of wire through it with a male bullet on each end, and finally
an internal pickup with one male and one female bullet attached to the back
of the case. With this last type you have to open up the tach to get at the
pickup and rewire it.
If that doesn't work then the only recourse is to fit the later RVC type
tach, work out which are the ignition switch and coil wires and connect
those together, and run a new wire back from the coil terminal that used to
go to the points (usually the terminal that has the black Pertronix wire on
it if your car is wired negative earth) to the trigger terminal on the tach
(male bullet on MGBs). This is quite feasible on MGBs as both RVI and RVC
types were produced with the same basic appearance.
But if you have the later RVC tach and have the problem, then there is
something else wrong, possibly a faulty Pertronix unit.
Hope this helps,
Paul.
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From slatskars at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 16:47:17 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
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Eric,
Let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding. You and Glen are both great people, that I number among my friends on this list. You did the right thing based upon your understanding. I will be more cautious when baiting Glen in the future.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "INTERNATIONAL Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:33:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
.........we could just drop the subject....
Eric
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From slatskars at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 17:11:57 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 21:11:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] To Slats-Pertronix
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Hi Ben,
I told you he was sharp. I will be going home tomorrow to my resources and will try to digest Paul's input and put it in understandable terms. Looks like the short term solution would be to disconnect the tachometer and drive it. Do you have a friend with an MGB that you could borrow a Pertronix from for test purposes? That would eliminate one choice.
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From rovercar at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 17:13:10 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
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Eric,
Subject dropped. It's tough to be responsible for keeping this whole
operation healthy and hard to know when to step in with a little nudge
that might vector us past an oncoming asteroid. (Note how I reveal my
age by referring to a video games that I found amazing and addictive
when it first appeared at the Blue Mound Bowl bowling alley in Wisconsin
circa 1977.)
Glen
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
>
>
> Let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding. You and Glen are both great
> people, that I number among my friends on this list. You did the right
> thing based upon your understanding. I will be more cautious when
> baiting Glen in the future.
>
>
>
> Slats
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> To: "INTERNATIONAL Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:33:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
>
> .........we could just drop the subject....
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> Eric
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 17:38:52 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
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Slats,
Great idea. Due to a confidentiality agreement, I know more than I can say. I am glad that we have worked this out well thanks to your understanding.? Thanks very much.
Eric
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From: "slatskars at comcast.net" <slatskars at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 1:47:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
Eric,
?
Let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding. You and Glen are both great people, that I number among my friends on this list. You did the right thing based upon your understanding. I will be more cautious when baiting Glen in the future.
?
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Russell" <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: "INTERNATIONAL Rovernet" <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:33:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
.........we could just drop the subject....
Eric
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Tue Aug 4 17:56:03 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:56:03 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
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I first saw Space Invaders in 1978; Asteroids came later here.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
Eric,
Subject dropped. It's tough to be responsible for keeping this whole operation healthy and hard to know when to step in with a little nudge that might vector us past an oncoming asteroid. (Note how I reveal my age by referring to a video games that I found amazing and addictive when it first appeared at the Blue Mound Bowl bowling alley in Wisconsin circa 1977.)
Glen
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Eric,
Let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding. You and Glen are both great people, that I number among my friends on this list. You did the right thing based upon your understanding. I will be more cautious when baiting Glen in the future.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 9:33:59 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] OR..........
.........we could just drop the subject....
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From bwhitten at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 4 19:47:01 2009
From: bwhitten at optusnet.com.au (bwhitten at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:47:01 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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From WMurray at ARTC.com.au Tue Aug 4 20:13:53 2009
From: WMurray at ARTC.com.au (Wayne Murray)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:13:53 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int>
G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Hi all,
Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
advice before tackling it.
The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
don't have to do it......
It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
Thanks for any advice.
Regards,
Ben
From vmitps at netspace.net.au Tue Aug 4 20:59:50 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <49BD0DF5575049FF8807D1F635BB5CBF@Vista>
It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the page if
desired.
I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> Hi all,
> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark and
> I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> advice before tackling it.
>
> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> don't have to do it......
>
> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the workshop
> manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> Regards,
> Ben
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 21:05:46 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int>
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<DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int>
Message-ID: <331100.50938.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
Hope you have the easiest fix....
Eric
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From: Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Hi all,
Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
advice before tackling it.
The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
don't have to do it......
It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
Thanks for any advice.
Regards,
Ben
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:15:19 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:15:19 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <49BD0DF5575049FF8807D1F635BB5CBF@Vista>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
<49BD0DF5575049FF8807D1F635BB5CBF@Vista>
Message-ID: <COL114-W18E7E64279E80E41861340DE0D0@phx.gbl>
Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable unit ?? I never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and discovered it had one !!
> From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the page if
> desired.
> I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark and
> > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > advice before tackling it.
> >
> > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > don't have to do it......
> >
> > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the workshop
> > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> >
>
>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Tue Aug 4 21:40:03 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:40:03 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W18E7E64279E80E41861340DE0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au><49BD0DF5575049FF8807D1F635BB5CBF@Vista>
<COL114-W18E7E64279E80E41861340DE0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D22CFDA0E3704ADE8585E8452517E138@Vista>
All P6 3500s here (Australia) were manual choke.
I didn't know there was an automatic choke version until I joined Rovernet.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Brooks
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable unit ?? I never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and discovered it had one !!
> From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the page if
> desired.
> I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark and
> > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > advice before tackling it.
> >
> > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > don't have to do it......
> >
> > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the workshop
> > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From bwhitten at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 4 21:40:56 2009
From: bwhitten at optusnet.com.au (bwhitten at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:40:56 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 21:48:54 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:48:54 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <D22CFDA0E3704ADE8585E8452517E138@Vista>
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The AED was a good idea and ahead of it's time but not nearly as effective as it should have been ...my Dad said that from new he had to watch for the colder nights and start the car every few hours or keep it in a heated garage ...he even had it replaced once because they suspected it was faulty but the problem remained. I took the part off the parts rover and plan to install it on mine...a great plus in my opinion.
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:40:03 +1000
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
All P6 3500s here (Australia) were manual choke.
I didn't know there was an automatic choke version until I joined Rovernet.
PVS
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Brooks
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable unit ?? I never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and discovered it had one !!
> From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the page if
> desired.
> I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark and
> > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > advice before tackling it.
> >
> > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > don't have to do it......
> >
> > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the workshop
> > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> >
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Tue Aug 4 21:54:56 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:54:56 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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>
> By the way, no choke warning light in my car. 1969 Australian model.
>
Sure?
No inscription on the dash lights?
No thermo switch on the front of the lower part of the thermostat housing?
The temp gauge is the one on the side of the thermostat housing, above the
exhaust pipe.
PVS
From phing at videotron.ca Tue Aug 4 23:31:07 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:31:07 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500S choke was 2000TC choke cable
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Hi
My 1970 Federal [ or is it NADA??]3500s came with both a factory manual
choke and the cursed clock work and cock roach driven Automatic Enrichment
Device . In order to get the car to start and run I removed the AED and the
monstrous Rover air filter . It now runs like a train on the manual choke,
with two KN air filters
Cheers
Patrick
.rom: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Dennis Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:15 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable unit ?? I
never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and discovered it
had one !!
> From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the page if
> desired.
> I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
and
> > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > advice before tackling it.
> >
> > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > don't have to do it......
> >
> > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
workshop
> > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > Regards,
> > Ben
> >
>
>
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Tue Aug 4 18:23:47 2009
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1249423974.26387.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Ben-
RVI & RVC are model designations, included at the front of the
identifying part number, printed on the dial. As in RVC3287/05 or
whatever. I think you have the latest "internal loop"variant of the RVI
by what Paul wrote.
FRM
From kkinard at att.net Wed Aug 5 07:53:00 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:53:00 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <331100.50938.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int>
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Hi Ben,
If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
have one used.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to
> the choke cable device include:
>
> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
>
> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
> epoxy glue.
>
> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
>
> Hope you have the easiest fix....
>
>
> Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>
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> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi all,
> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> advice before tackling it.
>
> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> don't have to do it......
>
> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> Regards,
> Ben
>
>
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From kkinard at att.net Wed Aug 5 07:59:38 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W18E7E64279E80E41861340DE0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <49BD0DF5575049FF8807D1F635BB5CBF@Vista>
<COL114-W18E7E64279E80E41861340DE0D0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Dennis,
I have a set of P6B manual choke carbs and intake. It's worth noting
that the manual choke installation is completely different on the P6B
from that of the P5B. P6B uses a single cable and bellcrank whereas the
P5B uses a double cable. AED installations are the same for both.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Dennis Brooks wrote:
> Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable
> unit ?? I never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and
> discovered it had one !!
>
> > From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >
> > It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> > The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the
> page if
> > desired.
> > I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
> >
> > PVS
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was
> dark and
> > > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > > advice before tackling it.
> > >
> > > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its
> mounting so
> > > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it
> again
> > > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be
> broken in
> > > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > > don't have to do it......
> > >
> > > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> workshop
> > > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice.
> > > Regards,
> > > Ben
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 5 08:09:40 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:09:40 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach
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Hi Fletcher
I have checked and my tach is an RV1 2438/00. So can I open
it up and how do I change the loop???
regards Ben (irishrover)
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Wed Aug 5 09:40:27 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 06:40:27 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA manual choke!
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My NADA 3500S had a bodged-together manual choke from another car, and no
AED. I bought a manual choke in the UK from a breaker, and installed it
successfully. The diagrams in the book are quite helpful. It works fine.
Ironically, last year I bought a whole AED-equipped manifold and carbs in
the UK, intending to restore the proper Rube Goldberg(American) Heath
Robinson(UK) automatic, lazy-American, extra starting carb for authenticity.
It seems a daunting task.
But then, I got my '90 827 back from my son in California, which desperately
needs paint and electrics and leather re-coloring. This car has had both
American insults: salt in NY, its original home, and sun in CA. Bad rust,
bad paint.
So, the AED sits forlornly in the garage...
AvMedSafe
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-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:00 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Hi Dennis,
I have a set of P6B manual choke carbs and intake. It's worth noting
that the manual choke installation is completely different on the P6B
from that of the P5B. P6B uses a single cable and bellcrank whereas the
P5B uses a double cable. AED installations are the same for both.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Dennis Brooks wrote:
> Does anyone here have a 3500S with a factory installed choke cable
> unit ?? I never heard of one before I got a 3500S (formerly Ben's) and
> discovered it had one !!
>
> > From: vmitps at netspace.net.au
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:59:50 +1000
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >
> > It is held by a large diameter nut. I forget the size.
> > The factory manual covers it but doesn't say heaps, I can scan the
> page if
> > desired.
> > I use a spanner (wrench for Americans) through the speaker hole.
> >
> > PVS
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts ."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was
> dark and
> > > I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> > > advice before tackling it.
> > >
> > > The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its
> mounting so
> > > that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > > driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > > installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > > pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it
> again
> > > tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be
> broken in
> > > there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > > reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > > don't have to do it......
> > >
> > > It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> workshop
> > > manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice.
> > > Regards,
> > > Ben
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Aug 5 10:39:51 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA manual choke!
In-Reply-To: <026601ca15d2$4b662020$e2326060$@net>
Message-ID: <730710707.9030641249483191737.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Geff,
My SU workshop manual has a couple of pages on the AED. I'll copy and send them to you.
Slats
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From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:05:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach
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Ben,
Here is a link for you to follow www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/electricstext2.htm ? You will find tachometer in one of the links at the top, Scroll down and read the various additional links regarding tach problems. I believe the one marked crane may be what you are looking for. Still out of town, but managed to track this down. Be careful to avoid sharing this informational site with the rest of rovernet as it contains a lot of technical information that may help them, even though it is labeled mgb.
; - )
Slats
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:09:40 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach
Hi Fletcher
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I have checked and my tach is an RV1 2438/00. So can I open
it up and how do I change the loop???
?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? regards Ben (irishrover)
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Wed Aug 5 13:34:12 2009
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:34:12 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
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Ben-
Email Dave Braun dave at dbraun99.com Tell him I sent you.
He just got done fixing his tach after he made a short which melted the
wire loop inside it. Great guy and most helpful, and his recent memory
is better than my not so recent; besides, Dave documents every single
thing he does with lots of very clear photos, and usually puts them on
his fantastic mostly MGTD website.
http://www.dbraun99.com
The link Slats gave is to Paul Hunt's excellent site - I recommend it to
all Britcar folk.
The actual change you make is to modify the White wire loop in the
pickup, so it only goes through once rather than twice.
FRM
From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 5 14:01:57 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:01:57 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
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Thanks Fletcher I have forwarded an email to Dave.
Ben.
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From phing at videotron.ca Wed Aug 5 16:51:29 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
Message-ID: <000001ca160e$81fd1300$85f73900$@ca>
Hi
The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water pump is
leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf American replacement
pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of Sweden site lists both TRW
FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT for these are for 4 blade fan. You
apparently also need to source a junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is
vague about their suitability for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car .
Ripping the front of the car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid
water pump retaining bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to
find a back yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump solution
will be gratefully received
Cheers
Patrick
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From kkinard at att.net Wed Aug 5 18:15:46 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:15:46 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
In-Reply-To: <000001ca160e$81fd1300$85f73900$@ca>
References: <000001ca160e$81fd1300$85f73900$@ca>
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Hi Patrick,
I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor)
1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may
not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones
are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no
guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a
short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover
pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines
if it comes to that.
Let me know how you want to proceed.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
>
> I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
>
> Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> solution will be gratefully received
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 5 19:43:51 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:43:51 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
References: <000001ca160e$81fd1300$85f73900$@ca> <4A7A0492.4040303@att.net>
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Hi Patrick
I'm sure Dennis Brooks has a new pump for a P6B, he may have
put it on ebay? I'm sure if he sees this email he'll be intouch.
regards Ben (irishrover)
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From bwhitten at optusnet.com.au Wed Aug 5 20:24:05 2009
From: bwhitten at optusnet.com.au (Ben Whitten)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:05 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <4A79729C.1080401@att.net>
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Hi Kent,
thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror
and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below.
- the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken
clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another
week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part
I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
cheers,
Ben
Kinard wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
> have one used.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>>
>> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
>> to the choke cable device include:
>>
>> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
>>
>> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
>> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
>> epoxy glue.
>>
>> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
>> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
>> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
>> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
>>
>> Hope you have the easiest fix....
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
>> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
>> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
>> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
>> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
>> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
>> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
>> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
>> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
>> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
>> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
>> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>
>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
>> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>]
>> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
>> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
>> advice before tackling it.
>>
>> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
>> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
>> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
>> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
>> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
>> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
>> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
>> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
>> don't have to do it......
>> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
>> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>>
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From carstuff3 at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 20:36:01 2009
From: carstuff3 at gmail.com (Gordon Harrower)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
Message-ID: <b1e213c40908051736k25be2e3cl245ea0ca90301a62@mail.gmail.com>
This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC has
chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when the engine
is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from cold, and it
suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click from the solenoid.
The battery is fully charged. I've tried to turn the starter motor (inertia
type) by the lug and the end, but couldn't. My guess is that either the
starter is jammed or has gone bad. Any thoughts welcome.
Thanks, Gordon.
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From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Wed Aug 5 21:57:44 2009
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:27:44 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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Though the block cracking / liners dropping is less of a problem on the 3.5s than the larger engines it can happen, and the same applies even more to the long stroke 4.4 P76 even though it has the same bore size as a 3.5.
Best practice most permanent fix appears to be to press out the existing liners, get the crack welded up and insert new flanged (top hat) liners after having the top of the block recessed to take them. Some machine shops O ring the bottom of the liner or use silicon (Sikaflex). Main bearings need line boring and new cam bearings fitted.
The MCT/Coscast block were supposed to be far superior than the former Land Rover ones due to improvements in casting / quality control techniques. Unfortunately, although they have more thickness in the bores/water jacket area they still are not fitted with flanged liners. The different rates of thermal expansion between the alloy block and cast iron liners remains. So if you cook the engine there could still be repercussions.
Interestingly there has been mention on the TVR forum about leakages starting to occur on 4.6 Coscast blocks. V8 Developments are now refusing to guarantee these blocks, even though they offer them for sale new. On the other hand they have never had a top hat block fail in all the time they have been supplying them, and that includes 5.3/96mm ones used for racing.
Rob
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-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 7:46 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
Hi Patrick,
I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198, 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor) 1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines if it comes to that.
Let me know how you want to proceed.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
>
> I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
>
> Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> solution will be gratefully received
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From phing at videotron.ca Wed Aug 5 23:38:03 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
In-Reply-To: <4A7A0492.4040303@att.net>
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Message-ID: <000901ca1647$4f9822e0$eec868a0$@ca>
Kent
Thanks for the response . I will try to figure out my next move
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:16 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
Hi Patrick,
I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor)
1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may
not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones
are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no
guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a
short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover
pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines
if it comes to that.
Let me know how you want to proceed.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
>
> I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
>
> Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> solution will be gratefully received
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Aug 6 00:20:11 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:20:11 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
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Message-ID: <D88D1A92-972F-4F9F-864E-B73AD27007F2@inkspotco.com>
The starter drive is most likely stuck in the flywheel. There is a
greater problem, perhaps, but for the moment you can either bump start
the car, which will kick the gear out (until the next time) or you can
turn the starter shaft opposite to the way you can't turn it, and the
gear should back out. You'll need a wrench.
In the bigger picture, either you have a weak starter, weak
connections or the light spring in the starter drive has failed (the
latter explains the sticking, not the poor starting). It is also
possible the through biolts of the starter housing are loose, I had
this happen to me just a few months ago.
Yours
Vern
On 5-Aug-09, at 5:36 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote:
> This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC
> has chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when
> the engine is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from
> cold, and it suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click
> from the solenoid. The battery is fully charged. I've tried to
> turn the starter motor (inertia type) by the lug and the end, but
> couldn't. My guess is that either the starter is jammed or has gone
> bad. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> Thanks, Gordon.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 01:48:10 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:48:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
In-Reply-To: <4A7A22A5.8020406@optusnet.com.au>
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
<DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int>
<331100.50938.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<4A79729C.1080401@att.net> <4A7A22A5.8020406@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <334673.55578.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Ben,
Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
Eric
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________________________________
From: Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Hi Kent,
thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
cheers,
Ben
Kinard wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly have one used.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>>
>> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
>>
>> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
>>
>> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
>>
>> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
>>
>> Hope you have the easiest fix....
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
>> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
>> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
>> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
>> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
>> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
>> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
>> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
>> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
>> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
>> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>]
>> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
>> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
>> advice before tackling it.
>>
>> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
>> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
>> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
>> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
>> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
>> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
>> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
>> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
>> don't have to do it......
>> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
>> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Aug 6 04:39:19 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:39:19 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: TC Starting Problem
In-Reply-To: <D88D1A92-972F-4F9F-864E-B73AD27007F2@inkspotco.com>
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Dear friends,
I had a similar problem on mine.
I had a new starting problem, unusual on mine, cleaned the carburettors and the air filter.
At the end were the sparkles, which had NOT been changed by my former mechanic.
An obvious solution.
At that time the car had to be turned on with a certain effort on the key and of the starter engine, but I did not left the key at the last moment so the starter engin turned the flywheel, but at the end the starter was turned itself.
The starter seemed gone, so I needed a trailer and the car was wrenched to the new mechanic.
He checked everything and at the end it was only a brush.
I was asked 80 euros for trailer and a new brush.
Best regards, gianluca.
P.S. In past times, in the first years after i had bought the car, I had other cold starting problems.
After a careful check we discovered it was the lung of the carburettors, a plastic piece containing air which was substituted and was payed more or less 20 euros.
After this substitution no more problems.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Vern Klukas
Inviato: gioved? 6 agosto 2009 6.20
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
The starter drive is most likely stuck in the flywheel. There is a greater problem, perhaps, but for the moment you can either bump start the car, which will kick the gear out (until the next time) or you can turn the starter shaft opposite to the way you can't turn it, and the gear should back out. You'll need a wrench.
In the bigger picture, either you have a weak starter, weak connections or the light spring in the starter drive has failed (the latter explains the sticking, not the poor starting). It is also possible the through biolts of the starter housing are loose, I had this happen to me just a few months ago.
Yours
Vern
On 5-Aug-09, at 5:36 PM, Gordon Harrower wrote:
> This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC has
> chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when the
> engine is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from cold,
> and it suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click from
> the solenoid. The battery is fully charged. I've tried to turn the
> starter motor (inertia type) by the lug and the end, but couldn't. My
> guess is that either the starter is jammed or has gone bad. Any
> thoughts welcome.
>
> Thanks, Gordon.
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From kkinard at att.net Thu Aug 6 09:36:58 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int> <331100.50938.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A79729C.1080401@att.net>
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Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need. I will check to see if I have a
#565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book
shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe. It uses
a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780
and #565781. Is this the set up you have? Wish I had a picture of your
assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors,
> #565674
>
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book shows
> rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some
> suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>
> Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a
> mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by
> Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light
> holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all
> apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a
> source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly
> what it's called, part# etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and
> certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
> to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal
> bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
> epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may
> have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an
> aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
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> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek
> some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
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From WMurray at ARTC.com.au Thu Aug 6 11:23:55 2009
From: WMurray at ARTC.com.au (Wayne Murray)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 01:23:55 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au> <DD2967878840754BA54D77AC29F19FE90D566A@MAILBMT01.artc.int> <331100.50938.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4A79729C.1080401@att.net>
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G'day again Ben, I've a few parts left over from a'72 p6b, let me have a
look today(I'm on dogwatch for the next week),I'm sure that I have an
outer cable with the choke warning connections on it secreted somewhere,
I'll go digging, get back to you tomorrow, Cheers Wayne.
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Ben Whitten
Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 10:24 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Hi Kent,
thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror
and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below.
- the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken
clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another
week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part
I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part#
etc.
cheers,
Ben
Kinard wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
> have one used.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
>>
>> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
>> to the choke cable device include:
>>
>> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened.
Phew.
>>
>> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
>> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
>> epoxy glue.
>>
>> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
>> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
>> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
>> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
>>
>> Hope you have the easiest fix....
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
>> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the
speaker
>> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
>> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on
the
>> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if
it
>> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may
have
>> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an
aside
>> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and
oil
>> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
>> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut
is
>> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers
Wayne
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
>> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>
>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
>> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>]
>> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
<mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
>> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
>> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek
some
>> advice before tackling it.
>>
>> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting
so
>> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
>> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
>> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
>> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it
again
>> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken
in
>> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
>> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
>> don't have to do it......
>> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
>> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> Regards,
>> Ben
>>
>>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 12:21:58 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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References: <200908042347.n74Nl1FU031444@mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au>
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<334673.55578.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<4A7ADC7A.1020408@att.net>
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Kent,
"By your command"
1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
matching words here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs were hooked.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need. I will check to see if I have a #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe. It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780 and #565781. Is this the set up you have? Wish I had a picture of your assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
>
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>
> Eric
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>>]
> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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Parts words link,
I put an arrow on the part number for the choke cable for HD8 carbs.? The cable for HS8 carbs is lower down on the page.
Purchaser shoul specify if the search is for hooked knob or rounded knob or HD8 carb or HS8 carb.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:21:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Kent,
"By your command"
1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
matching words here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs were hooked.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need.? I will check to see if I have a #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe.? It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780 and #565781.? Is this the set up you have?? Wish I had a picture of your assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
>
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different.? The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>
> Eric
>
>? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know.? I may have one new and certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look.? Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1.? The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2.? The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3.? The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>>]
> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now? I thought I'd seek some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The? choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped? that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rovernet mailing list
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Aug 6 12:32:15 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:32:15 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: 2000TC choke cable
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it is strange to see the console from the other side, is an intellectual experience.
thanks fot the links, they' re beautiful to see.
Best regards, Gianluca.
________________________________
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Eric Russell
Inviato: gioved? 6 agosto 2009 18.22
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Kent,
"By your command"
1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
matching words here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs were hooked.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need. I will check to see if I have a #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe. It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780 and #565781. Is this the set up you have? Wish I had a picture of your assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
>
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>
> Eric
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>>]
> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au> <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
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From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Aug 6 12:37:22 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:37:22 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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I'm not sure about the series two cars, but for series one cars there
are three variations, very early cars have round knobs with the word
choke on it, then the hooked knob with the word, and finally the
hooked knob with the choke symbol (the fan blade looking thing). I
believe the last variation was a service item, not original fitment.
I have, in a newsletter of one of the Rover clubs that I receive as
the editor of the Roverview (great newsletter by the way, join the
Rover Car Club of Canada and you too could get them :-)), have an
article on remaking the bit that is broken. But of course that
requires access to a machine shop, not to mention that I would have to
find it again.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Aug-09, at 9:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> Kent,
>
> "By your command"
>
>
> 1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
>
> http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
>
>
> matching words here:
>
> http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
>
>
> I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
>
> The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs
> were hooked.
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Ben,
> I feel sure I have what you need. I will check to see if I have a
> #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts
> book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe.
> It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate
> cables #565780 and #565781. Is this the set up you have? Wish I
> had a picture of your assembly.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
>
>
> Eric Russell wrote:
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8
> carburettors, #565674
> >
> > If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book
> shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
> >
> > You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps
> some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> > *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca
> >
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >
> > Hi Kent,
> > thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
> >
> > I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a
> mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by
> Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light
> holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it
> all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone
> knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows
> exactly what it's called, part# etc.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kinard wrote:
> > > Hi Ben,
> > > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and
> certainly have one used.
> > >
> > > Roverly,
> > > Kent K.
> > >
> > > Eric Russell wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible
> faults to the choke cable device include:
> > >>
> > >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be
> tightened. Phew.
> > >>
> > >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal
> bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair
> with epoxy glue.
> > >>
> > >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for
> the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major
> bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from
> suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.
> 620-560 BC)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au
> >>
> > >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca
> <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> > >>
> > >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the
> speaker
> > >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part
> of the
> > >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread
> on the
> > >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to
> see if it
> > >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer
> may have
> > >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as
> an aside
> > >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable
> and oil
> > >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you
> have a
> > >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the
> locking nut is
> > >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps,
> Cheers Wayne
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca<mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> >> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> >>]
> > >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au
> > <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au<mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> > >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> > >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It
> was dark
> > >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd
> seek some
> > >> advice before tackling it.
> > >>
> > >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its
> mounting so
> > >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the
> car
> > >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or
> speaker
> > >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back
> while
> > >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at
> it again
> > >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be
> broken in
> > >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that
> I can
> > >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know
> but if I
> > >> don't have to do it......
> > >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> > >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for any advice.
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Ben
> > >>
> > >>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Aug 6 13:00:51 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:00:51 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: RoveAmerica 09 on Hemmings sport and
exotic
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Dear friends,
being a subscriber of Hemmings sports and Exotic, on the last issue
( sept. 09 ) I' ve seen a two pages article about RoveAmerica 09,
speaking about several friends of the ring.
I' ve seen a lot of beautiful cars and a photo of the people who
attended the meeting.
I read that David la Chance, the author and associated editor of H. S.
E,., had some problems with his P6 !
if possible, I'd like to have a link to the pages of the issue, to
foreward it to the members of Registro Italiano Rover.
Could please someone help me?
Thanks in advance and best regards, Gianluca.
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From kkinard at att.net Thu Aug 6 14:32:14 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:32:14 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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Hi Eric, Ben, et al,
My understanding is that Ben's car is a Series 2 and my parts book for
Series 2 (RTC 9021A dated September 1974) shows a very different choke
cable assembly with the parts numbers I referenced earlier. The Series
2 2200 parts book (RTC 9011 A dated January 1975) reverts to an
illustration similar to the Series 1 parts catalogue. So I am confused
by the books. So I still need to know what Ben's cable assembly looks like.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Kent,
>
> "By your command"
>
> 1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
>
> http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
>
> matching words here:
>
> http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
>
> I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
>
> The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs
> were hooked.
>
> Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From geffandjulie at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 15:42:56 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:42:56 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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Mine is round with the fan symbol? But I got it in the UK.
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Vern Klukas
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:37 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
I'm not sure about the series two cars, but for series one cars there are three variations, very early cars have round knobs with the word choke on it, then the hooked knob with the word, and finally the hooked knob with the choke symbol (the fan blade looking thing). I believe the last variation was a service item, not original fitment.
I have, in a newsletter of one of the Rover clubs that I receive as the editor of the Roverview (great newsletter by the way, join the Rover Car Club of Canada and you too could get them :-)), have an article on remaking the bit that is broken. But of course that requires access to a machine shop, not to mention that I would have to find it again.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Aug-09, at 9:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
Kent,
"By your command"
1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
matching words here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs were hooked.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need. I will check to see if I have a #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe. It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780 and #565781. Is this the set up you have? Wish I had a picture of your assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
>
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different. The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>
> Eric
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au <mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca <mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
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> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Thu Aug 6 16:15:34 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:15:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: 2000TC choke cable
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Sent: Thursday, 6 August, 2009 8:59:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
The 'fan-choke' symbol was a universal one adopted by all car manufacturers in the early 70's?to try and standardise the symbol irrespective of make and model. By then Rover were British Leyland so their identity was to some extent already lost.
The pre-hook type are very rare in the UK (that is to say the round with word choke)??only being used up until Aug 1966 (I think) and were part of a raft of changes bought in when the TC launched in the UK.
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Thu Aug 6 18:26:28 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] MKII Cosmics For Sale
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Hi all,
I have a set of 5 MKII Cosmic alloys that fit the P6 with standard (i.e., non-Magnum/Magstar) hubs. They are in very good condition, but need to be repainted. What appear to be good reproduction center caps are available on ebay for around $40.00 - I had some MKI Mini Cooper Cosmics and bought caps for them - they fit very well and appeared to be of good quality. I have no connection to the seller, etc. .
PCD = =3" or 75 mm
center hole = 3.5" or 90mm
Pictures are here:
http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p120/fjcumberland/Rover%20Cosmic%20MKII%20Alloy%20Wheels/
I'm asking $150 ono for the set plus postage, which for the continental US should be around $30.00.
From lacpsyd6 at msn.com Fri Aug 7 10:25:13 2009
From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:25:13 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Water pump
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Patrick,
I used the lisiting from the Swedish Rover site years ago. I believe I
bought the GMB 130-1420 unit (it could have been the TRW FP 1318). Either
way, the original pulley and viscous fan, (multi-blade) unit worked
perfectly. The only thing I had to do was take my original pump to a local
mechanic along with the new one. He matched the length of the new output
shaft (slightly longer on the new unit)with the old one by shaving it
off---charged me $20 and I was set to go.
Hope that helps.
Lance La Certe, Psy.D. '70 P6B
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> 1. Tach more (Fletcher Millmore)
> 2. Re: Tach more (BEN RODGERS)
> 3. Federal P6B water pumps (Patrick Hiron)
> 4. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (Kent Kinard)
> 5. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (BEN RODGERS)
> 6. Re: 2000TC choke cable (Ben Whitten)
> 7. TC Starting Problem (Gordon Harrower)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:34:12 -0400
> From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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>
> Ben-
> Email Dave Braun dave at dbraun99.com Tell him I sent you.
> He just got done fixing his tach after he made a short which melted the
> wire loop inside it. Great guy and most helpful, and his recent memory
> is better than my not so recent; besides, Dave documents every single
> thing he does with lots of very clear photos, and usually puts them on
> his fantastic mostly MGTD website.
> http://www.dbraun99.com
>
> The link Slats gave is to Paul Hunt's excellent site - I recommend it to
> all Britcar folk.
>
> The actual change you make is to modify the White wire loop in the
> pickup, so it only goes through once rather than twice.
>
> FRM
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:01:57 -0300
> From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> Thanks Fletcher I have forwarded an email to Dave.
> Ben.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:51:29 -0400
> From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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> Hi
>
> The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
>
> I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water pump
> is
> leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf American
> replacement
> pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of Sweden site lists both TRW
> FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT for these are for 4 blade fan.
> You
> apparently also need to source a junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is
> vague about their suitability for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car
> .
> Ripping the front of the car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid
> water pump retaining bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having
> to
> find a back yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting
> gizmo!
>
> Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> solution
> will be gratefully received
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
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> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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> Hi Patrick,
> I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor)
> 1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may
> not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones
> are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no
> guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
>
> I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a
> short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover
> pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
>
> If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines
> if it comes to that.
>
> Let me know how you want to proceed.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> >
> > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> >
> > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > solution will be gratefully received
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Patrick
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> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:43:51 -0300
> From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
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> Hi Patrick
> I'm sure Dennis Brooks has a new pump for a P6B, he may
> have
> put it on ebay? I'm sure if he sees this email he'll be intouch.
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> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:05 +1000
> From: Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror
> and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below.
> - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken
> clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another
> week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part
> I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part#
> etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
> > have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
> >> to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
> >> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
> >> epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
> >> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
> >> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
> >> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> >> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may
> >> have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an
> >> aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
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> >> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
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> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek
> >> some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400
> From: Gordon Harrower <carstuff3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
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> This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC has
> chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when the engine
> is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from cold, and it
> suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click from the solenoid.
> The battery is fully charged. I've tried to turn the starter motor
> (inertia
> type) by the lug and the end, but couldn't. My guess is that either the
> starter is jammed or has gone bad. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> Thanks, Gordon.
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> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:27:44 +0930
> From: Robert Thornton <R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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> Though the block cracking / liners dropping is less of a problem on the
> 3.5s than the larger engines it can happen, and the same applies even more
> to the long stroke 4.4 P76 even though it has the same bore size as a 3.5.
>
> Best practice most permanent fix appears to be to press out the existing
> liners, get the crack welded up and insert new flanged (top hat) liners
> after having the top of the block recessed to take them. Some machine
> shops O ring the bottom of the liner or use silicon (Sikaflex). Main
> bearings need line boring and new cam bearings fitted.
>
> The MCT/Coscast block were supposed to be far superior than the former
> Land Rover ones due to improvements in casting / quality control
> techniques. Unfortunately, although they have more thickness in the
> bores/water jacket area they still are not fitted with flanged liners. The
> different rates of thermal expansion between the alloy block and cast iron
> liners remains. So if you cook the engine there could still be
> repercussions.
>
> Interestingly there has been mention on the TVR forum about leakages
> starting to occur on 4.6 Coscast blocks. V8 Developments are now refusing
> to guarantee these blocks, even though they offer them for sale new. On
> the other hand they have never had a top hat block fail in all the time
> they have been supplying them, and that includes 5.3/96mm ones used for
> racing.
>
> Rob
>
> _
>
> Think before you print!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
> Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 7:46 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
>
> Hi Patrick,
> I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor) 1962-1987.
> These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may not clear the
> radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones are shorter) and
> you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no guarantee that the
> longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
>
> I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a short
> one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover pumps is.
> A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
>
> If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines if
> it comes to that.
>
> Let me know how you want to proceed.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> >
> > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> >
> > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > solution will be gratefully received
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Patrick
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:54:10 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:54:10 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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I have a couple Patrick..if interested emal me at renovations.plus at hotmail.com
Regards
Dennis Brooks
From: phing at videotron.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
Hi
The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump solution will be gratefully received
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:30:03 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
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You like this P6 3500 S ?
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=118831267&__lp=2&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=21700&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=Car&segment=Car&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1980-12-31&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&customerIdsAsString=&lang=de&pageNumber=1
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:02:05 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
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lenkrad ist haesslich? !!!??
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?
You like this P6 3500 S ??
?
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From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:08:30 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
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I agree :-)
Rudiger
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> lenkrad ist haesslich? !!!??
>
>
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> ?
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> You like this P6 3500 S ??
> ?
>
> http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=118831267&__lp=2&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&makeModelVariant1.makeId=21700&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&vehicleCategory=Car&segment=Car&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1980-12-31&siteId=GERMANY&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=NO_EXPORT&customerIdsAsString=&lang=de&pageNumber=1?
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From phing at videotron.ca Fri Aug 7 21:37:16 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Water pump
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Lance
Thanks
Patrick
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:25 AM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Water pump
Patrick,
I used the lisiting from the Swedish Rover site years ago. I believe I
bought the GMB 130-1420 unit (it could have been the TRW FP 1318). Either
way, the original pulley and viscous fan, (multi-blade) unit worked
perfectly. The only thing I had to do was take my original pump to a local
mechanic along with the new one. He matched the length of the new output
shaft (slightly longer on the new unit)with the old one by shaving it
off---charged me $20 and I was set to go.
Hope that helps.
Lance La Certe, Psy.D. '70 P6B
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> 1. Tach more (Fletcher Millmore)
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> 5. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (BEN RODGERS)
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> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:34:12 -0400
> From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
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> Ben-
> Email Dave Braun dave at dbraun99.com Tell him I sent you.
> He just got done fixing his tach after he made a short which melted the
> wire loop inside it. Great guy and most helpful, and his recent memory
> is better than my not so recent; besides, Dave documents every single
> thing he does with lots of very clear photos, and usually puts them on
> his fantastic mostly MGTD website.
> http://www.dbraun99.com
>
> The link Slats gave is to Paul Hunt's excellent site - I recommend it to
> all Britcar folk.
>
> The actual change you make is to modify the White wire loop in the
> pickup, so it only goes through once rather than twice.
>
> FRM
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:01:57 -0300
> From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> Thanks Fletcher I have forwarded an email to Dave.
> Ben.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:51:29 -0400
> From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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> Hi
>
> The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
>
> I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water pump
> is
> leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf American
> replacement
> pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of Sweden site lists both TRW
> FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT for these are for 4 blade fan.
> You
> apparently also need to source a junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is
> vague about their suitability for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car
> .
> Ripping the front of the car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid
> water pump retaining bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having
> to
> find a back yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting
> gizmo!
>
> Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> solution
> will be gratefully received
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:15:46 -0500
> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
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> Hi Patrick,
> I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor)
> 1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may
> not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones
> are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no
> guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
>
> I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a
> short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover
> pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
>
> If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines
> if it comes to that.
>
> Let me know how you want to proceed.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> >
> > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> >
> > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > solution will be gratefully received
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Patrick
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:43:51 -0300
> From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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> Hi Patrick
> I'm sure Dennis Brooks has a new pump for a P6B, he may
> have
> put it on ebay? I'm sure if he sees this email he'll be intouch.
> regards Ben (irishrover)
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:05 +1000
> From: Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror
> and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below.
> - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken
> clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another
> week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part
> I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part#
> etc.
>
> cheers,
> Ben
>
>
>
>
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
> > have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
> >> to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
> >> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
> >> epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
> >> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
> >> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
> >> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> >> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may
> >> have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an
> >> aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> >> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>
> >> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> >> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>]
> >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek
> >> some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400
> From: Gordon Harrower <carstuff3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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> This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC has
> chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when the engine
> is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from cold, and it
> suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click from the solenoid.
> The battery is fully charged. I've tried to turn the starter motor
> (inertia
> type) by the lug and the end, but couldn't. My guess is that either the
> starter is jammed or has gone bad. Any thoughts welcome.
>
> Thanks, Gordon.
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> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:27:44 +0930
> From: Robert Thornton <R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
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> Though the block cracking / liners dropping is less of a problem on the
> 3.5s than the larger engines it can happen, and the same applies even more
> to the long stroke 4.4 P76 even though it has the same bore size as a 3.5.
>
> Best practice most permanent fix appears to be to press out the existing
> liners, get the crack welded up and insert new flanged (top hat) liners
> after having the top of the block recessed to take them. Some machine
> shops O ring the bottom of the liner or use silicon (Sikaflex). Main
> bearings need line boring and new cam bearings fitted.
>
> The MCT/Coscast block were supposed to be far superior than the former
> Land Rover ones due to improvements in casting / quality control
> techniques. Unfortunately, although they have more thickness in the
> bores/water jacket area they still are not fitted with flanged liners. The
> different rates of thermal expansion between the alloy block and cast iron
> liners remains. So if you cook the engine there could still be
> repercussions.
>
> Interestingly there has been mention on the TVR forum about leakages
> starting to occur on 4.6 Coscast blocks. V8 Developments are now refusing
> to guarantee these blocks, even though they offer them for sale new. On
> the other hand they have never had a top hat block fail in all the time
> they have been supplying them, and that includes 5.3/96mm ones used for
> racing.
>
> Rob
>
> _
>
> Think before you print!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
> Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 7:46 AM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
>
> Hi Patrick,
> I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor) 1962-1987.
> These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may not clear the
> radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones are shorter) and
> you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no guarantee that the
> longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
>
> I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a short
> one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover pumps is.
> A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
>
> If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines if
> it comes to that.
>
> Let me know how you want to proceed.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> >
> > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> >
> > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > solution will be gratefully received
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sat Aug 8 07:48:01 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:48:01 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
References: <599693.98723.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BCE558A9C07843FB90204B5B5706E5E5@rw><8CBE5C1D58D9FB1-45C-109@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com>
<8A73D8DCC05A4AA7B3AACDC7128C344E@rw>
Message-ID: <EF1217BF2BA149ACB3E338B97E05E656@rw>
Never seen before a P6-ad from South Africa
http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-R35K-Rover-P6-V8-W0QQAdIdZ138229320
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sat Aug 8 08:03:26 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:03:26 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] The remarkable Rover P6
References: <599693.98723.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BCE558A9C07843FB90204B5B5706E5E5@rw><8CBE5C1D58D9FB1-45C-109@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com><8A73D8DCC05A4AA7B3AACDC7128C344E@rw>
<EF1217BF2BA149ACB3E338B97E05E656@rw>
Message-ID: <30A85281155840D3A9926F14F42863DD@rw>
http://ateupwithmotor.com/model-histories/family-cars/162-red-rover-p6.html
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From david at davidwalter.net Sat Aug 8 11:23:55 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:23:55 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
In-Reply-To: <EF1217BF2BA149ACB3E338B97E05E656@rw>
References: <599693.98723.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BCE558A9C07843FB90204B5B5706E5E5@rw><8CBE5C1D58D9FB1-45C-109@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com><8A73D8DCC05A4AA7B3AACDC7128C344E@rw>
<EF1217BF2BA149ACB3E338B97E05E656@rw>
Message-ID: <905E78A0B5E2461FB9150365AD9ED0C6@DavidVista>
South Africa had a lot of CKD Rovers imported, apparently they also had a
white engine bay rather than the usual black, at least the few I have seen
have seen had white engine bays.
at the later stages of the P6 series there was a unique to South Africa
Leyland badge fixed to the front wing in front of the lower front door
hinge.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:48 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
> Never seen before a P6-ad from South Africa
>
> http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-R35K-Rover-P6-V8-W0QQAdIdZ138229320
>
>
> Rudiger
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>
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net Sat Aug 8 12:03:58 2009
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
In-Reply-To: <RoverP6@gmx.de>'s message of Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:08:30 +0200
Message-ID: <9290-4A7DA1EE-1851@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
A technicality: Without the air scoops, is this car a mere 3500 model,
rather than a prized 3500S?
Albert
From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sat Aug 8 12:12:52 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:12:52 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
References: <9290-4A7DA1EE-1851@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <D1A61351396A4BAAAF7C5C8DB439061D@rw>
Asking price approx. US$ 19.400 - or 11.500 GBP
I wonder if this P6 will find a new owner overhere in Germany...
(nevertheless as a very rare exception some time ago a P6 3500 S has
been sold for approx. US$ 25.200 / 14.900 GBP !)
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Samstag, 8. August 2009 18:03
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
>A technicality: Without the air scoops, is this car a mere 3500
>model,
> rather than a prized 3500S?
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Thu Aug 6 15:59:22 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:59:22 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
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The 'fan-choke' symbol was a universal one adopted by all car manufacturers in the early 70's?to try and standardise the symbol irrespective of make and model. By then Rover were British Leyland so their identity was to some extent already lost.
The pre-hook type are very rare in the UK (that is to say the round with word choke)??only being used up until Aug 1966 (I think) and were part of a raft of changes bought in when the TC launched in the UK.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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Sent: Thursday, 6 August, 2009 8:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Mine is round with the fan symbol?? But I got it in the UK.
?
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From:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Vern Klukas
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:37 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
?
I'm not sure about the series two cars, but for series one cars there are three variations, very early cars have round knobs with the word choke on it, then the hooked knob with the word, and finally the hooked knob with the choke symbol (the fan blade looking thing). I believe the last variation was a service item, not original fitment.
?
I have, in a newsletter of one of the Rover clubs that I receive as the editor of the Roverview (great newsletter by the way, join the Rover Car Club of Canada and you too could get them :-)), have an article on remaking the bit that is broken. But of course that requires access to a machine shop, not to mention that I would have to find it again.
?
Yours
Vern
?
?
On 6-Aug-09, at 9:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
Kent,
"By your command"
?
1969 edition parts book photo of console here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBook1969Console.jpg
?
matching words here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/PartsBookConsole1969Words2.jpg
?
I noticed that my 1964 parts book carried the same picture.
The early knobs had a flat, rounded surface but some point the knobs were hooked.
?
Eric
?
?
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?
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Sent:?Thursday, August 6, 2009 6:36:58 AM
Subject:?Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
Ben,
I feel sure I have what you need.? I will check to see if I have a #565674(there is not picture in my parts book) but my later parts book shows a different assembly which seems more like you describe.? It uses a separate cast metal housing #568319 and two separate cables #565780 and #565781.? Is this the set up you have?? Wish I had a picture of your assembly.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Eric Russell wrote:
>?
> Ben,
>?
> Carburetter cold start control for TC models with HS8 carburettors, #565674
>?
> If you have HD8 carbs the number will be different.? The book shows rounded knobs. You might have to specify hooked knobs.
>?
> You can try a request to individuals, Rover car clubs or perhaps some suppliers on this list may have a NOS aprt for you.
>?
> Eric
>?
>? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>?
>?
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:24:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
>?
> Hi Kent,
> thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
>?
> I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below. - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part# etc.
>?
> cheers,
> Ben
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Kinard wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> > If you need a new cable let me know.? I may have one new and certainly have one used.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Eric Russell wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look.? Some possible faults to the choke cable device include:
> >>
> >> 1.? The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> >>
> >> 2.? The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit. Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with epoxy glue.
> >>
> >> 3.? The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer. You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers, used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> >>
> >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>? "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au?<mailto:WMurray at ARTC.com.au>>
> >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca?<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may have
> >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an aside
> >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:?rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?<mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca<mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?<mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca?<mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>>]
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> >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now? I thought I'd seek some
> >> advice before tackling it.
> >>
> >> The? choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped? that I can
> >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> >> don't have to do it......
> >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any advice.
> >> Regards,
> >> Ben
> >>
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Fri Aug 7 12:52:00 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:52:00 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Water pump
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I have a couple of water pumps here Patrick...contact me at renovations.plus at hotmail.com if you are interested.
Regards
Dennis Brooks
> From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:25:13 -0600
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B Water pump
>
> Patrick,
>
> I used the lisiting from the Swedish Rover site years ago. I believe I
> bought the GMB 130-1420 unit (it could have been the TRW FP 1318). Either
> way, the original pulley and viscous fan, (multi-blade) unit worked
> perfectly. The only thing I had to do was take my original pump to a local
> mechanic along with the new one. He matched the length of the new output
> shaft (slightly longer on the new unit)with the old one by shaving it
> off---charged me $20 and I was set to go.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Lance La Certe, Psy.D. '70 P6B
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > 1. Tach more (Fletcher Millmore)
> > 2. Re: Tach more (BEN RODGERS)
> > 3. Federal P6B water pumps (Patrick Hiron)
> > 4. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (Kent Kinard)
> > 5. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (BEN RODGERS)
> > 6. Re: 2000TC choke cable (Ben Whitten)
> > 7. TC Starting Problem (Gordon Harrower)
> > 8. Re: Federal P6B water pumps (Robert Thornton)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:34:12 -0400
> > From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Message-ID: <4A79C294.80101 at usachoice.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Ben-
> > Email Dave Braun dave at dbraun99.com Tell him I sent you.
> > He just got done fixing his tach after he made a short which melted the
> > wire loop inside it. Great guy and most helpful, and his recent memory
> > is better than my not so recent; besides, Dave documents every single
> > thing he does with lots of very clear photos, and usually puts them on
> > his fantastic mostly MGTD website.
> > http://www.dbraun99.com
> >
> > The link Slats gave is to Paul Hunt's excellent site - I recommend it to
> > all Britcar folk.
> >
> > The actual change you make is to modify the White wire loop in the
> > pickup, so it only goes through once rather than twice.
> >
> > FRM
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:01:57 -0300
> > From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Tach more
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP6880819FB44B0B3786804C950D0 at phx.gbl>
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> > reply-type=response
> >
> > Thanks Fletcher I have forwarded an email to Dave.
> > Ben.
> > Visit our website and blog at
> > www.irishroversbooks.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:51:29 -0400
> > From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Message-ID: <000001ca160e$81fd1300$85f73900$@ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> >
> > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water pump
> > is
> > leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf American
> > replacement
> > pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of Sweden site lists both TRW
> > FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT for these are for 4 blade fan.
> > You
> > apparently also need to source a junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is
> > vague about their suitability for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car
> > .
> > Ripping the front of the car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid
> > water pump retaining bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having
> > to
> > find a back yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting
> > gizmo!
> >
> > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > solution
> > will be gratefully received
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Patrick
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:15:46 -0500
> > From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID: <4A7A0492.4040303 at att.net>
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> >
> > Hi Patrick,
> > I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> > info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> > the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> > 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor)
> > 1962-1987. These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may
> > not clear the radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones
> > are shorter) and you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no
> > guarantee that the longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
> >
> > I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a
> > short one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover
> > pumps is. A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> > SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> > cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
> >
> > If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> > may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> > fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines
> > if it comes to that.
> >
> > Let me know how you want to proceed.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Patrick Hiron wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> > >
> > > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> > >
> > > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > > solution will be gratefully received
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:43:51 -0300
> > From: "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> >
> > Hi Patrick
> > I'm sure Dennis Brooks has a new pump for a P6B, he may
> > have
> > put it on ebay? I'm sure if he sees this email he'll be intouch.
> > regards Ben (irishrover)
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:05 +1000
> > From: Ben Whitten <bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> > Hi Kent,
> > thanks for the offer but the cable looks ok.
> >
> > I've just managed to have a good look in there with the aid of a mirror
> > and torch. Unfortunately it's the #3 problem as mentioned by Eric below.
> > - the cast metal shaft, with the choke warning light holes, has broken
> > clean through. I won't have a chance to take it all apart for another
> > week or so, but in the meantime if anyone knows a source for this part
> > I'd be glad to hear about it. Or knows exactly what it's called, part#
> > etc.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kinard wrote:
> > > Hi Ben,
> > > If you need a new cable let me know. I may have one new and certainly
> > > have one used.
> > >
> > > Roverly,
> > > Kent K.
> > >
> > > Eric Russell wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wayne seems to have identified where to look. Some possible faults
> > >> to the choke cable device include:
> > >>
> > >> 1. The nut has come loose and fallen off. Needs to be tightened. Phew.
> > >>
> > >> 2. The plastic outer cable has pulled out of the crimped metal bit.
> > >> Bummer. Remove the switch and the cable and attempt a repair with
> > >> epoxy glue.
> > >>
> > >> 3. The cast metal bit with the thread and shaft with holes for the
> > >> choke warning light has fractured and parted company. Major bummer.
> > >> You need a good used one (try a Rover car club), new from suppliers,
> > >> used from Wins in the UK, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Hope you have the easiest fix....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> *From:* Wayne Murray <WMurray at ARTC.com.au>
> > >> *To:* The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > >> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2009 5:13:53 PM
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> > >>
> > >> G'day Ben, I hope this is the right info, I've a p6b, with the speaker
> > >> cover removed you should be able to see or feel the inner part of the
> > >> cable ,it is held in place by a nut that screws onto the thread on the
> > >> end of the cable mount, just try an tighten by hand first to see if it
> > >> takes up the slack if so nip up the nut, if not the cable outer may
> > >> have
> > >> separated from the mount and have to be repaired or replaced as an
> > >> aside
> > >> if you have the time it would'nt hurt to remove the inner cable and oil
> > >> it to save it sticking at a later date. One more thing if you have a
> > >> choke warning light the switch is on the mount where the locking nut is
> > >> located, hope this is the right info for you and it helps, Cheers Wayne
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > >> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>
> > >> [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> > >> <mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>]
> > >> On Behalf Of bwhitten at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bwhitten at optusnet.com.au>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 August 2009 9:47 AM
> > >> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts .
> > >> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000TC choke cable
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >> Had a problem with the choke cable on my 69 TC last week. It was dark
> > >> and I didn't have much time to spend on it. Now I thought I'd seek
> > >> some
> > >> advice before tackling it.
> > >>
> > >> The choke control knob on the dash has come loose from its mounting so
> > >> that I can pull it on ok but can't push it back in. To get the car
> > >> driveable I took out the speaker cover (there is no radio or speaker
> > >> installed), reached in and held the cable steady from the back while
> > >> pushing the control back in. I should get a chance to look at it again
> > >> tomorrow. What I'd like to know is , is anything likely to be broken in
> > >> there, or has something just come unscrewed or unclipped that I can
> > >> reattach without taking the dash apart? Not a big job I know but if I
> > >> don't have to do it......
> > >> It's a bit hard to tell by just feeling around in there, and the
> > >> workshop manual doesn't cover it... that I can see anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for any advice.
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Ben
> > >>
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400
> > From: Gordon Harrower <carstuff3 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] TC Starting Problem
> > To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> > Message-ID:
> > <b1e213c40908051736k25be2e3cl245ea0ca90301a62 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > This probably will be fairly easy for you guys to diagnose. My TC has
> > chronic cold-starting problems, but always starts right up when the engine
> > is warm. The other day I was cranking it, as usual, from cold, and it
> > suddenly stopped cranking. I now get only a loud click from the solenoid.
> > The battery is fully charged. I've tried to turn the starter motor
> > (inertia
> > type) by the lug and the end, but couldn't. My guess is that either the
> > starter is jammed or has gone bad. Any thoughts welcome.
> >
> > Thanks, Gordon.
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:27:44 +0930
> > From: Robert Thornton <R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> > To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID:
> > <816735D7904A6C42A6D5B0DDFC0EAB4E15BFD5CE0C at ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au>
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> >
> > Though the block cracking / liners dropping is less of a problem on the
> > 3.5s than the larger engines it can happen, and the same applies even more
> > to the long stroke 4.4 P76 even though it has the same bore size as a 3.5.
> >
> > Best practice most permanent fix appears to be to press out the existing
> > liners, get the crack welded up and insert new flanged (top hat) liners
> > after having the top of the block recessed to take them. Some machine
> > shops O ring the bottom of the liner or use silicon (Sikaflex). Main
> > bearings need line boring and new cam bearings fitted.
> >
> > The MCT/Coscast block were supposed to be far superior than the former
> > Land Rover ones due to improvements in casting / quality control
> > techniques. Unfortunately, although they have more thickness in the
> > bores/water jacket area they still are not fitted with flanged liners. The
> > different rates of thermal expansion between the alloy block and cast iron
> > liners remains. So if you cook the engine there could still be
> > repercussions.
> >
> > Interestingly there has been mention on the TVR forum about leakages
> > starting to occur on 4.6 Coscast blocks. V8 Developments are now refusing
> > to guarantee these blocks, even though they offer them for sale new. On
> > the other hand they have never had a top hat block fail in all the time
> > they have been supplying them, and that includes 5.3/96mm ones used for
> > racing.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > _
> >
> > Think before you print!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> > On Behalf Of Kent Kinard
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 August 2009 7:46 AM
> > To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Federal P6B water pumps
> >
> > Hi Patrick,
> > I'm afraid there is no "off the shelf" replacement. I have posted the
> > info on Rovernet several times over the years, but the solution remains
> > the same...Buick small v8 (215, 300, 340, 350) 1961-1980 and v6/90 (198,
> > 225, 231 rear wheel drive only with front mounted distributor) 1962-1987.
> > These will all bolt to the stock front cover but some may not clear the
> > radiator. There are short and long pumps (the 215 ones are shorter) and
> > you will need the corresponding pulley. There is no guarantee that the
> > longer combinations will clear the radiator on a P6B.
> >
> > I do have a few of these pump cores and would be happy to look for a short
> > one. I do not know the current situation for rebuilding Rover pumps is.
> > A few years back you could get a TR8 pump rebuilt but not an
> > SD1 because no one had an arbor to fit that shaft. I do have a few P6B
> > cores if you want to try to have one rebuilt.
> >
> > If your coolant continues to disappear after water pump replacement, you
> > may have a bad head gasket or a cracked block/slipped sleeve...even more
> > fun than changing the water pump. I do have some spare P5B/P6B engines if
> > it comes to that.
> >
> > Let me know how you want to proceed.
> >
> > Roverly,
> > Kent K.
> >
> > Patrick Hiron wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > The perpetual invisible coolant loss saga continues
> > >
> > > I.ve replaced all the hoses ,re-cored my radiator and now the water
> > > pump is leaking ! Does any one have a spec for an off the shelf
> > > American replacement pump for the Federal P6B. The old Rover club of
> > > Sweden site lists both TRW FP1318 short nose and GMB 130-420; BUT
> > > for these are for 4 blade fan. You apparently also need to source a
> > > junk yard Ford or Buick pulley . It is vague about their suitability
> > > for the viscous clutch fan fitted to my car . Ripping the front of the
> > > car out again and wrestling with the rusted solid water pump retaining
> > > bolts is enough fun for me . I can do without having to find a back
> > > yard machine shop to McGuiver a pulley and fan mounting gizmo!
> > >
> > > Any leads to a pull it off and drop in a new pump
> > > solution will be gratefully received
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 12:46:54 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] German P6 3500 S
In-Reply-To: <9290-4A7DA1EE-1851@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
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Albert Boasberg wrote:
> A technicality: Without the air scoops, is this car a mere 3500 model,
> rather than a prized 3500S
Not outside the North American market.
The plain vanilla 3500 had a three speed auto, but Rover reused the 3500S
label for cars fitted with a 4 speed manual transmission - these had a
quite different specification to the Federal cars.
With the exception of some RHD development cars and a few left over Federal
cars sold in Germany and Belgium after they pulled out of North America, no
other markets got the three scoop bonnet. Some air-conditioned cars were
sold in the early seventies uinsg parts left over after Federal production
stopped, but these only had the centreline scoop and not the full set
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 14:30:29 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet administrative trivia
Message-ID: <56215.8378.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
When I set up the Rovernet mailing list, I consulted various references on the etiquette (or netiquette) of a mailing list. I found that?the *format* of messages could negatively impact subscribers.
Originally, email?came as "Plain Text". The words and sentences required the lowest possible memory?and electronic size to be transmitted over the Internet and received on the basic computer systems of most users. Also, most people were receiving the Internet through a modem which "dialled up" through their existing telephone system. Size of email messages was important to most people.
The Internet has moved on, as we know, and changes have been made. The Internet can be carried on fiber-optic cable, coaxial cable, microwave and satellite signal. Some/many people have "broadband" Internet and use "cable modems" to ge their email. Things have speeded up and capacity improved. Another change is that computer language used to display Internet web pages in browsers can be used to prepare and send email. The message format names have changed. Now, in addition to Plain Text, a person can ofter select "HTML" or "Rich Text" format to prepare messages. We now see bold-faced text, underlining, text size options, italics, smilie faces, inserted pictures, etc.
However, we have new threats to the security and happiness of?mailing list (Rovernet) subscribers. There are people called "hackers" who enjoy disrupting the Internet experience for others. They have discovered how to insert damaging?activity called virus, Trojans, and worms into email. Any format of email message other than plain text, uses invisible code to create the bold-face, underlining, etc. that people enjoy. Hackers have discovered how to insert malicious code into an otherwise Internet message or into graphics such as pictures or icons. Rovernet subscribers can unknowingly receive computer virus and then send this virus onward to other Rovernet subscribers through?messages which are transmitted in "HTML", or "Rich Text", or through attachments which they might add to their messages.
It is illegal for me to permit the propagation of computer virus on the Internet. The Rover Car Club of Canada and Eric Russell must not permit?Rovernet users to send virus, Trojans, and worms through their sponsored mailing list system.
So,............... there is a "netiquette" that Rovernet subscribers must agree if they want to participate in this mailing list. I?set up the Rovernet to follow the safe and friendly rules of "netiquette". However, I have been lax and permitted more and more risky or inconvenient messages to be posted. I would like to review and revise how messages are sent to the Rovernet through a spirit of understanding and co-operation with the users.
1. Messages which use a lot of memory capacity to send and receive are disruptive to those subscribers who still have a telephone dial-up connection or who use hand-held devices such as "Blackberry" to receive email messages. We must be more considerate of their needs.
** Rich Text or HTML message format requires huge capacity in coding to send a message. Rich Text message or "multipart/alternative" messages not only sends the basic message but all the coding used to produce fancy product.
** People who use the digest system and just hit "Reply" do a few disruptive things. They send a mass of unnecesary text to everyone, being a string of the day's worth of email messages which some of us have already seen. They?require a larger than required amount of digital memory to communicate the message desired. The archives can be?a research tool when subscribers are trying to gather information on a topic posted such as "gearshift". However, if a digest user just hits "Reply" and sends an answer without editing the subject line all we get is a subject of "Rovernet Digest". That subject also appears in the archives and makes it more difficult to gather information on a topic.
2. When the Rovernet server receives a message outside of the?safe and considerate?guidelines, it sends a message to me that a Rovernet message requires my attention. I need to take the time to follow the route to the server and read what has been sent.
* Sometimes a SPAM artist has sent a piece of SPAM to the group, the server does not permit email from non-subscribers, I see the content, discard the message, set up a filter, and get back to what I was doing.
**Sometimes a regular Rovernet subscriber sees a topic and wants to reply immediately except they are not at their usual Rovernet message computer or they are using another email address to send the message. The server does not permit email from people not on its subscriber list, I see the content, recognize the name of the person as an existing member, approve the message, and get back to what I was doing.
***Sometimes a Rovernet subscriber sends a Rovernet message in something other than Plain Text and the server calls me back to do something about an oversize message. I have to decide whether to break the netiquette rules and let it go or decline to accept.
3. I am sure that Rovernet subscribers wonder why a message they believe they sent doesn't get through. I'll try to summarize at the end.
4. I am inclined to stick to the basic netiquette of the Rovernet in the future and some members might not see their messages get posted because the messages are falling outside of the norm more frequently and the Rovernet is becoming less "automatic" and more of a nuisance.
The abstract:
1.? Please use only a Plain Text format for your messages. Help for this can be obtained from this reference page:
http://rovernet.ca/
2. Please don't try to send a picture attachment in a regular Rovernet message. You can post?photos at our back-up site here:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Rover_net/
Ask for help if you need it.
3. Please edit your Digest messages and delete all the earlier messages and text on that page that doesn't apply to what you want to say.
4. Please edit the Digest subject line and insert what your message is about.
Thanks, in advance, for your help and encouragement to make the Rovernet a slick and risk-free place to get Rover car information.
Eric
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com Sun Aug 9 01:14:30 2009
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 15:14:30 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Message-ID: <009101ca18b0$46817380$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>
Hi All
I have returned to a problem with my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
This car has no pointer ajacent to the fan pulley with which to line up the timing marks with a timing light. The previous owner painted a line of the water pump but this varies on the line of sight. I normally set the ignition just shy of pinking but this is also inaccurate. Peak vacume is unhelpful. This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing fitted without a pointer.
The only mark on the flywheel is the EP mark. According to my manual the timing diagram does not suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that corresponds to TDC. It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree BTDC but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on the pulley (remove grill, radiator, engine stay UGH).
I am making a bracket with a pointer to fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
At some stage I will remove the head to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the piston crown, BUT is there an easier quicker way now I assume that puting a rod through the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the angle betwen the rod and the piston crown
Any thougths / ideas gratefully received
Cheers from Oz
Roger Matheson
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 04:46:26 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 08:46:26 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
In-Reply-To: <905E78A0B5E2461FB9150365AD9ED0C6@DavidVista>
References: <599693.98723.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><BCE558A9C07843FB90204B5B5706E5E5@rw><8CBE5C1D58D9FB1-45C-109@WEBMAIL-DZ10.sysops.aol.com><8A73D8DCC05A4AA7B3AACDC7128C344E@rw>
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I used to be employed on the sales and marketing side in the SA motor manufacturing sector in the 1970's. Here are few P6 contextual anorak factoids dredged from repressed memory:
Early P6 production in South Africa was undertaken in Port Elizabeth - probably up until the late 1960's. These would have been biased towards CKD sourcing. After about 1969 - the birth of Leyland Group - Rover moved to Cape Town [Blackheath] and the local Leyland operation was rebranded "Leykor". Also, starting in the early 1970's the SA govt introduced a stringent local content programme for vehicle manufacture. Duty rebates were granted according to the proportion of locally produced components relative to the total weight of the vehicle - obviously this lead to deliberate local over-engineering of clunk metal work [springs, steering, body panels, bumpers] and the local manufacture of as much of the heavy components [engines, glass, seats] as possible. Since the P6 was never really a volume seller in SA in its later years, it would not have made economic sense for Leykor to invest aggressively in its local content which meant its price had to rise - thus making it even less attractive on the market. From memory, the SA P6 [3500 V8's] was pretty much dead and buried by 1975 when its month sales were down at a small trickle.
Leykor's Triumph 2500 died a horrible market death in 1976 - they couldn't sell them for love or money - even to a point where the company took out newspaper adverts featuring the Managing Director begging the public to buy these cars "to keep our employees in work".
Leykors great market hope was SD1 - which hit the market in 1977 with last gasp launch hype. But since Leykor was unravelling like the Western Roman Empire in 450AD and the model's well-known quality problems were evident pretty much from day one, it never achieved its budget. By 1984 SA SD1's were marginal players even in that most welcoming reservoir of dross: the well-used, rusty banger segment.
> From: david at davidwalter.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:23:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
> South Africa had a lot of CKD Rovers imported, apparently they also had a
> white engine bay rather than the usual black, at least the few I have seen
> have seen had white engine bays.
> at the later stages of the P6 series there was a unique to South Africa
> Leyland badge fixed to the front wing in front of the lower front door
> hinge.
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:48 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
>
> >
> > Never seen before a P6-ad from South Africa
> >
> > http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-R35K-Rover-P6-V8-W0QQAdIdZ138229320
> >
> >
> > Rudiger
> > www.RoverP6.info
> >
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Aug 9 04:55:47 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:55:47 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
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Very interesting !
Rudiger
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. August 2009 10:46
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
I used to be employed on the sales and marketing side in the SA motor
manufacturing sector in the 1970's. Here are few P6 contextual anorak
factoids dredged from repressed memory:
Early P6 production in South Africa was undertaken in Port Elizabeth -
probably up until the late 1960's. These would have been biased
towards CKD sourcing. After about 1969 - the birth of Leyland Group -
Rover moved to Cape Town [Blackheath] and the local Leyland operation
was rebranded "Leykor". Also, starting in the early 1970's the SA
govt introduced a stringent local content programme for vehicle
manufacture. Duty rebates were granted according to the proportion of
locally produced components relative to the total weight of the
vehicle - obviously this lead to deliberate local over-engineering of
clunk metal work [springs, steering, body panels, bumpers] and the
local manufacture of as much of the heavy components [engines, glass,
seats] as possible. Since the P6 was never really a volume seller in
SA in its later years, it would not have made economic sense for
Leykor to invest aggressively in its local content which meant its
price had to rise - thus making it even less attractive on the market.
>From memory, the SA P6 [3500 V8's] was pretty much dead and buried by
1975 when its month sales were down at a small trickle.
Leykor's Triumph 2500 died a horrible market death in 1976 - they
couldn't sell them for love or money - even to a point where the
company took out newspaper adverts featuring the Managing Director
begging the public to buy these cars "to keep our employees in work".
Leykors great market hope was SD1 - which hit the market in 1977 with
last gasp launch hype. But since Leykor was unravelling like the
Western Roman Empire in 450AD and the model's well-known quality
problems were evident pretty much from day one, it never achieved its
budget. By 1984 SA SD1's were marginal players even in that most
welcoming reservoir of dross: the well-used, rusty banger segment.
> From: david at davidwalter.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:23:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
> South Africa had a lot of CKD Rovers imported, apparently they also
> had a
> white engine bay rather than the usual black, at least the few I
> have seen
> have seen had white engine bays.
> at the later stages of the P6 series there was a unique to South
> Africa
> Leyland badge fixed to the front wing in front of the lower front
> door
> hinge.
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
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> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:48 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
>
> >
> > Never seen before a P6-ad from South Africa
> >
> > http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-R35K-Rover-P6-V8-W0QQAdIdZ138229320
> >
> >
> > Rudiger
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net Sun Aug 9 08:29:16 2009
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:29:16 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 vs. 3500 S
In-Reply-To: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@gmail.com>'s message
of Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:46:54 -0700
Message-ID: <12256-4A7EC11C-2624@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Dear Aidrian:
Thanks for your erudite and illuminating answer.
Best regards,
Albert
From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 10:08:21 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 TC Watertown Area for sale.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1249142406.11366.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <SNT105-W31974D32D90A420FD6E3E78E090@phx.gbl>
http://watertown.craigslist.org/cto/1312575601.html
The photos look good. I am working full time up in this area, if anyone would like me to go and check it over I would be more than happy to do so. It is a twin to my 66, Rover 2000 TC, same colour and wheels.
Email off list if you would like me to go and have a look. I have a compression tester also and know these vehicles pretty well.
James Radcliffe.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 12:38:49 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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Roger,
I have workshop manuals with a variey of dates which I can scan for discussion purposes.
Two questons:
What is the publication date of your workshop manual (withn the first few pages)?
What is the year of your car?
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:14:30 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi All
?
I have returned to a problem with my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
?
This car has no pointer ajacent to the fan pulley with which to line up the?timing marks?with?a timing light.? The previous owner painted a line of the?water pump but this varies?on?the line of sight. I normally set the ignition just shy of pinking but this?is also inaccurate.? Peak vacume is unhelpful.? This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing fitted without a pointer.
?
The only mark on the?flywheel is the EP mark.? According to my manual the timing diagram does not suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that corresponds to TDC.? It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree BTDC?but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on the?pulley (remove grill, ?radiator, engine stay UGH).
?
I am making a bracket with a pointer to fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
?
At some stage I will remove the head to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the?piston crown, BUT is there an easier quicker way now? I assume that puting a rod through the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the?angle betwen the rod and the piston crown
?
Any thougths / ideas gratefully received
?
Cheers from Oz
?
Roger Matheson
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From Nash4447 at cs.com Sun Aug 9 17:20:18 2009
From: Nash4447 at cs.com (Nash4447 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:20:18 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Message-ID: <c91.45d6171e.37b09792@cs.com>
Roger
I dont think the angle of the crown makes any difference. All you want to
do is get the number 1 piston at the top of it's firing stroke. Remove the
plug and crank the engine in spurts until you feel the pressure buildup with
your finger over the plug hole. Then remove your finger and insert a stiff
piece of wire in the hole on the piston and continue turning the engine(by
hand) until the wire is pushed out to the max. At that point, the piston
should be at the top of it's stroke and you have TDC. Not hard to do.
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 17:37:48 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:37:48 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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Bear in mind that the P6 4 cylinder engine uses number four cylinder
for ignition timing.
From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Aug 9 18:23:46 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:23:46 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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No it doesn't... according to workshop manual nomenclature.
#1 and #4 fire at the same crank point so it can be used, but the rotor is
pointing towards the front of the car for #1.
PVS
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
> Bear in mind that the P6 4 cylinder engine uses number four cylinder for
> ignition timing.
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From englishmn at verizon.net Mon Aug 10 13:18:46 2009
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear fenders for P6
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Hello Eric
lam looking for Dennis? Brooks email addr Ben told me he is breaking one up do you have it much apreciated
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 13:52:55 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:52:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear fenders for P6
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Peter,
The last email address Dennis used in a post was this:
renovations.plus at hotmail.com
Hope that helps,
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: peter & nancy <englishmn at verizon.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:18:46 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear fenders for P6
Hello Eric
lam looking for Dennis Brooks email addr Ben told me he is breaking one up do you have it much apreciated
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From wreynold at uniserve.com Mon Aug 10 19:58:15 2009
From: wreynold at uniserve.com (Walter Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:58:15 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] SD1 Items For Sale
Message-ID: <4A5945F4ACA845A99D025775739AB72F@xpuser>
Hi Rovernetters. I had a phone call from a chap who has SD1 items to give away, with some being for sale. He has wheels, hoods, a trunk lid (no glass), plus a V8 engine. Contact information is:
Tommy
604-788-4455 (Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada)
As I don't have an SD1, I said I would send this notice out to you all for anyone interested to contact him direct.
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com Tue Aug 11 03:20:14 2009
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:20:14 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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Hi Eric,
Thankyou for your reply. The compliance plate states British Leyland Australai 7/71. Perhaps the local assembly forgot the timing mark, however there is a steering wheel and a handbrake. The manual I have is Issued August 1967.
Look forward to any help
Cheers Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Roger,
I have workshop manuals with a variey of dates which I can scan for discussion purposes.
Two questons:
What is the publication date of your workshop manual (withn the first few pages)?
What is the year of your car?
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:14:30 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi All
I have returned to a problem with my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
This car has no pointer ajacent to the fan pulley with which to line up the timing marks with a timing light. The previous owner painted a line of the water pump but this varies on the line of sight. I normally set the ignition just shy of pinking but this is also inaccurate. Peak vacume is unhelpful. This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing fitted without a pointer.
The only mark on the flywheel is the EP mark. According to my manual the timing diagram does not suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that corresponds to TDC. It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree BTDC but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on the pulley (remove grill, radiator, engine stay UGH).
I am making a bracket with a pointer to fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
At some stage I will remove the head to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the piston crown, BUT is there an easier quicker way now I assume that puting a rod through the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the angle betwen the rod and the piston crown
Any thougths / ideas gratefully received
Cheers from Oz
Roger Matheson
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Aug 11 05:59:25 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:59:25 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Range rover on e-bay
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130324046329&fromMa
keTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
Beautiful, as new but not cheap.
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 09:00:55 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:00:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Range rover on e-bay
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nice!!
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130324046329&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
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From slatskars at comcast.net Tue Aug 11 12:37:45 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:37:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Range rover on e-bay
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Range Rovers are great cars when everything is working. After having three electrical system problems in a period of six months, I decided to let my 1993 LWB go with 88,000 miles on it. I replaced it with a new 2003 Honda Pilot to use as my tow vehicle. The Pilot will tow 4,500 lbs. I am so impressed with the Honda that we just bought a new Honda CRV for my wife. Now we have His and Hers Honda SUV's . I was looking for reliability this time. Modern cars are far too complex for the average shade tree mechanic, even with my knowledge of electronics theory. This one is old enough that it should be maintainable. Very nice!
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Wed Aug 12 04:39:24 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:39:24 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: P6 3500 / South Africa
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Yes, very interesting and incredible!
Why were they so unable tio sell triumph saloons??
They were good cars and more or less, in UK, 20 % cheaper than p6.
I do not know the prices in south africa, but in my opinion quality was ok.
Fopr example, in New Zealand I' ve seen plenty of them in 2001, they were common and still in use.
Which is the reason of this difference?
Best regards, gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di RoverP6 at gmx.de
Inviato: domenica 9 agosto 2009 10.56
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
Very interesting !
Rudiger
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Von: "Richard Sharpe" <trowzerkoff at hotmail.com>
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. August 2009 10:46
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
I used to be employed on the sales and marketing side in the SA motor
manufacturing sector in the 1970's. Here are few P6 contextual anorak
factoids dredged from repressed memory:
Early P6 production in South Africa was undertaken in Port Elizabeth -
probably up until the late 1960's. These would have been biased
towards CKD sourcing. After about 1969 - the birth of Leyland Group -
Rover moved to Cape Town [Blackheath] and the local Leyland operation
was rebranded "Leykor". Also, starting in the early 1970's the SA
govt introduced a stringent local content programme for vehicle
manufacture. Duty rebates were granted according to the proportion of
locally produced components relative to the total weight of the
vehicle - obviously this lead to deliberate local over-engineering of
clunk metal work [springs, steering, body panels, bumpers] and the
local manufacture of as much of the heavy components [engines, glass,
seats] as possible. Since the P6 was never really a volume seller in
SA in its later years, it would not have made economic sense for
Leykor to invest aggressively in its local content which meant its
price had to rise - thus making it even less attractive on the market.
>From memory, the SA P6 [3500 V8's] was pretty much dead and buried by
1975 when its month sales were down at a small trickle.
Leykor's Triumph 2500 died a horrible market death in 1976 - they
couldn't sell them for love or money - even to a point where the
company took out newspaper adverts featuring the Managing Director
begging the public to buy these cars "to keep our employees in work".
Leykors great market hope was SD1 - which hit the market in 1977 with
last gasp launch hype. But since Leykor was unravelling like the
Western Roman Empire in 450AD and the model's well-known quality
problems were evident pretty much from day one, it never achieved its
budget. By 1984 SA SD1's were marginal players even in that most
welcoming reservoir of dross: the well-used, rusty banger segment.
> From: david at davidwalter.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:23:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
> South Africa had a lot of CKD Rovers imported, apparently they also
> had a
> white engine bay rather than the usual black, at least the few I
> have seen
> have seen had white engine bays.
> at the later stages of the P6 series there was a unique to South
> Africa
> Leyland badge fixed to the front wing in front of the lower front
> door
> hinge.
>
> David
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> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:48 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 3500 / South Africa
>
>
> >
> > Never seen before a P6-ad from South Africa
> >
> > http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-R35K-Rover-P6-V8-W0QQAdIdZ138229320
> >
> >
> > Rudiger
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Thu Aug 13 16:36:07 2009
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:36:07 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 70's series two runner in Alberta
junkyard
Message-ID: <01AAEA9E-7887-4FF7-AFD0-F5052D48F002@telusplanet.net>
I was at Spruce Grove auto parts last weekend and on a whim asked if
they had any old British car parts, specifically Rover car parts.
The yard man said they had an old 1950's Rover car but that was about
it.
Curiosity piqued, I had to go see...
Well, when we got to the car it was in fact, a complete oxidized red
series two 2000 TC.
The yard man said it was undamaged until recently, when a nice new
dent was put into the drivers rear door, and a decorative gash was
added to the trunk.
Interior was vinyl (Ambla?) complete but dirty and a few seams in need
of repair, with carpet set showing its age. The controls at the mid
dash position were attached to a piece of wood for some reason.
I asked about which parts were available but the yard owner wants to
sell the car complete for $1500.00 CDN.
The keys were not in the vehicle, but was told it does run, but
"starter solenoid seems to be failing" .
Forgot to ask when the car was last registered.
Could make a good project or source of parts for someone.
Roy
From budgie11 at aol.com Thu Aug 13 17:11:28 2009
From: budgie11 at aol.com (budgie11 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:11:28 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] For Sale ..... Landrover partly comp
kitted out 90 3.5 v8 all complete
In-Reply-To: <371166.58939.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <613602.74857.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<371166.58939.qm@web38403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CBEA71C23002B6-1780-417@WEBMAIL-DC02.sysops.aol.com>
this vehicle is for sale on behalf of a m8
what has been done vehicle has been completely rewired ... custom loom
their are a few faults however i think it down to
poor contacts in the fuse box
the engine runs however the cabs need balancing and new needles will be
needed
chassis and body work pretty much sound viewing can be arranged and its
first come first served
contact details are my home number is 01647 253194 and my mobile 078555
28976 please don't ring after 9pm GMT
or before 11 am if pics are wanted and i get enough people asking i'll
upload to a webbsite and post the link
and last thing please send mail to bmwm5jia74 at msn.com its just i don't
use AOL that much and I'm asking for offers
i am only asking for offers is its just the two owners of the said
vehicle have fallen out and they need to sell
From englishmn at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 10:10:55 2009
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rostyle wheels
Message-ID: <469988.83761.qm@web84102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
will 15" Rostyle wheels from a 1970 3500s?P6 fit a 67 P6 2000 TC that has 14" Rostyle?on it is bolt pattern the same
thanks much peter
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Fri Aug 14 11:48:21 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rostyle wheels
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The P6B never had 15" Rostyles as far as I am aware. If they are
indeed 15", then a previous owner has probably replaced the originals
with P5B wheels - this is a fairly popular modification.
Both types have a 5 on 5 stud pattern so they will bolt on, but you
may find that there are clearance issues between the tyres and body at
the rear wheels - the offset on the P5B wheel is different and the
wheel is an inch wider than those fitted to the 4 cylinder cars
This extra width can cause issues in the D post area or with the
suspension link depending on the tires you use. Clearances will be
tighter on a 4 cylinder car as these don't have the cranked supension
link that is fitted to the V8.
Aidrian
> will 15" Rostyle wheels from a 1970 3500s?P6 fit a 67 P6 2000 TC that has
> 14" Rostyle?on it is bolt pattern the same
From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Fri Aug 14 15:15:34 2009
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:15:34 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
Message-ID: <D529A8FF-0A95-48D1-8AED-4958CB4F310B@telusplanet.net>
Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang
for sale?
To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom
of the front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the
front door gap.
Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
Thanks for any assistance.
Roy
From RoverP6 at gmx.de Fri Aug 14 17:48:38 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:48:38 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] colour on P6 / NZ
References: <009101ca18b0$46817380$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4><150774.2847.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<003e01ca1a54$2bd75db0$0100000a@homea7f046a5f4>
Message-ID: <927777D875B84F898C91BFF70790FA3F@rw>
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Rover/3500/auction-235581222.htm
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Aug 15 04:46:41 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
In-Reply-To: <D529A8FF-0A95-48D1-8AED-4958CB4F310B@telusplanet.net>
References: <D529A8FF-0A95-48D1-8AED-4958CB4F310B@telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <4A8675F1.8010507@comcast.net>
Roy Babiuk wrote:
> Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang
> for sale?
> To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom
> of the front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the
> front door gap.
> Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Roy
Would this be a P6 part, Roy? No model is mentioned.
Glen
From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Sat Aug 15 09:46:43 2009
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:46:43 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
Message-ID: <6B09D6BD-E544-43E0-949B-7659CA3B38D1@telusplanet.net>
Hi Glen.
Sorry about that.
Yes, for a P6 (series 1 2000 TC).
Roy
From chris at chris-wilson.org Sat Aug 15 12:15:54 2009
From: chris at chris-wilson.org (Chris J Wilson)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:15:54 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 front spoilers
Message-ID: <002e01ca1dc3$abbb2f80$03318e80$@org>
Hi all,
Just in case anyone is interested, one of the guys from the P6 ROC and
myself have had 20 sets of front spoilers created in fiberglass from an
original set that I had floating around.
The thread starts about half-way down on this page, in the post by Quattro
who is my partner in this, and the finished example can be seen on the
second page, along with a picture of a P6 passenger side grab handle that
might be our next project..
http://p6roc.com/Forum/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=6021&sid=e457447f1edc982c
25e1c028745f449e
If anyone is interested, please feel free to send me an email on
chris at chris-wilson.org
I think we have requests for about eight sets, including one each for
ourselves.. and if anyone in the States is after a set, I'll be in PA next
week for a couple of days.
We're selling them for ?70 a pair, including the screws/nuts for fitting.
All you need to do is drill a couple of holes in your front valance, sand
them down and paint them.. little bit of work required, but they look great
when fitted.
Chris
From roverman2 at verizon.net Sat Aug 15 13:44:23 2009
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:44:23 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
In-Reply-To: <4A8675F1.8010507@comcast.net>
References: <D529A8FF-0A95-48D1-8AED-4958CB4F310B@telusplanet.net>
<4A8675F1.8010507@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A19716CF-639C-4838-ACD0-BCB2A532B215@verizon.net>
Hi Roy,
I have either a left or a right tang - I don't know which until I
return to my parts in about 10 days. Email me then so I remember to
check!
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
roverman2 at verizon.net
On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:46 AM, Glen Wilson wrote:
> Roy Babiuk wrote:
>> Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender
>> tang for sale?
>> To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the
>> bottom of the front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the
>> sill by the front door gap.
>> Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>
>> Roy
>
> Would this be a P6 part, Roy? No model is mentioned.
>
> Glen
>
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Sat Aug 15 15:42:10 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:42:10 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fender Tang
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Hi Roy,
Where are you? I may have one for you
Dirk
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:15:34 -0600
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang for
sale?
To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom of the
front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the front door gap.
Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
Thanks for any assistance.
Roy
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:48:38 +0200
From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] colour on P6 / NZ
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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tm
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:46:41 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Roy Babiuk wrote:
> Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang
> for sale?
> To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom
> of the front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the
> front door gap.
> Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Roy
Would this be a P6 part, Roy? No model is mentioned.
Glen
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:46:43 -0600
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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Hi Glen.
Sorry about that.
Yes, for a P6 (series 1 2000 TC).
Roy
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From rababiuk at telusplanet.net Sat Aug 15 16:01:02 2009
From: rababiuk at telusplanet.net (Roy Babiuk)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:01:02 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fender tang
Message-ID: <FDC42534-139B-4D39-BF5D-D47D5B8D6A7D@telusplanet.net>
Hi Dirk,
I am in Barrhead Alberta Canada.
Roy
From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 19:44:42 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fender Tang
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My understanding is that you are both RCCC members -? but this wouldn't be the FIRST time that I have misunderstood :-(
Eric
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:42:10 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fender Tang
Hi Roy,
Where are you? I may have one for you
Dirk
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:15:34 -0600
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang for
sale?
To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom of the
front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the front door gap.
Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
Thanks for any assistance.
Roy
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:48:38 +0200
From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] colour on P6 / NZ
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
??? <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:46:41 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Roy Babiuk wrote:
> Does anyone have a passenger side (right side) lower front fender tang
> for sale?
> To be more specific, it's the little piece that rivets to the bottom
> of the front fender, and is bolted to the bottom of the sill by the
> front door gap.
> Part number 367829 for those with parts catalogs.
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Roy
Would this be a P6 part, Roy? No model is mentioned.
Glen
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:46:43 -0600
From: Roy Babiuk <rababiuk at telusplanet.net>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Lower front fender tang?
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Hi Glen.
Sorry about that.
Yes, for a P6 (series 1 2000 TC).
Roy
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com Sun Aug 16 04:19:00 2009
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:19:00 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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Hi Eric,
Let me explain what I ended up doing to find TDC and perhaps any flaws in this approach can be identified.
On an engine from a parts car, I wrapped a piece of cut up tin can around the pulley held on tightly and flush by a zip tie. I locked the flywheel with the peg at the EP mark made a mark on the tin at the timing pointer, turned the engine and made a second mark on the tin at the TDC line on the pulley. I went back to my car, wrapped the tin around the pulley and aligned the second mark in the tin to the TDC line. Turned the engine round to the locking point and inserted the peg. Then ajusted a new pointer to line up with the first mark on the tin. I made a L shaped bracket to bolt to the bottom water pump bolts with a pointer from a sharpened bolt. I reskon I got it to within a degree between engines, BUT:
I am still not happy with the tune (currently set at 4% with 91 octane and I must investigate other problems AND, I assume the locking hole and peg is at the same degrees between a series 1 SC compared to a series 2 TC. It doesn't matter if they are a little different because I now have a reliable pointer that will line up with the scale under the strobe.
Cheers Roger
- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Roger,
I have workshop manuals with a variey of dates which I can scan for discussion purposes.
Two questons:
What is the publication date of your workshop manual (withn the first few pages)?
What is the year of your car?
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:14:30 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi All
I have returned to a problem with my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
This car has no pointer ajacent to the fan pulley with which to line up the timing marks with a timing light. The previous owner painted a line of the water pump but this varies on the line of sight. I normally set the ignition just shy of pinking but this is also inaccurate. Peak vacume is unhelpful. This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing fitted without a pointer.
The only mark on the flywheel is the EP mark. According to my manual the timing diagram does not suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that corresponds to TDC. It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree BTDC but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on the pulley (remove grill, radiator, engine stay UGH).
I am making a bracket with a pointer to fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
At some stage I will remove the head to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the piston crown, BUT is there an easier quicker way now I assume that puting a rod through the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the angle betwen the rod and the piston crown
Any thougths / ideas gratefully received
Cheers from Oz
Roger Matheson
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Aug 16 04:47:37 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:47:37 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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91 works with 7.5:1 engines, do not use it in 9:1
PVS
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi Eric,
Let me explain what I ended up doing to find TDC and perhaps any flaws in this approach can be identified.
On an engine from a parts car, I wrapped a piece of cut up tin can around the pulley held on tightly and flush by a zip tie. I locked the flywheel with the peg at the EP mark made a mark on the tin at the timing pointer, turned the engine and made a second mark on the tin at the TDC line on the pulley. I went back to my car, wrapped the tin around the pulley and aligned the second mark in the tin to the TDC line. Turned the engine round to the locking point and inserted the peg. Then ajusted a new pointer to line up with the first mark on the tin. I made a L shaped bracket to bolt to the bottom water pump bolts with a pointer from a sharpened bolt. I reskon I got it to within a degree between engines, BUT:
I am still not happy with the tune (currently set at 4% with 91 octane and I must investigate other problems AND, I assume the locking hole and peg is at the same degrees between a series 1 SC compared to a series 2 TC. It doesn't matter if they are a little different because I now have a reliable pointer that will line up with the scale under the strobe.
Cheers Roger
- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Roger,
I have workshop manuals with a variey of dates which I can scan for discussion purposes.
Two questons:
What is the publication date of your workshop manual (withn the first few pages)?
What is the year of your car?
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:14:30 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi All
I have returned to a problem with my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
This car has no pointer ajacent to the fan pulley with which to line up the timing marks with a timing light. The previous owner painted a line of the water pump but this varies on the line of sight. I normally set the ignition just shy of pinking but this is also inaccurate. Peak vacume is unhelpful. This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing fitted without a pointer.
The only mark on the flywheel is the EP mark. According to my manual the timing diagram does not suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that corresponds to TDC. It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree BTDC but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on the pulley (remove grill, radiator, engine stay UGH).
I am making a bracket with a pointer to fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
At some stage I will remove the head to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the piston crown, BUT is there an easier quicker way now I assume that puting a rod through the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the angle betwen the rod and the piston crown
Any thougths / ideas gratefully received
Cheers from Oz
Roger Matheson
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 19:41:43 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
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Roger,
You sound pretty resourceful to me!
Over here we used to get higher octane than now. The best I can do is 94 octane. Most petrol stations offer 91 or 92 octane.
I had my engines rebored to 2200 standard using the same head as the 2000. In addition to getting a nice bore, it must have reduced the compression from 10:1 to about 9:1. If I adjust the timing closer to TDC I can achieve a slower idle and eliminate pinging upon acceleration.
It sounds like you are nearing conclusion having that second engine to work with.
Eric
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From: Roger.Matheson <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:19:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
Hi Eric,
Let me explain what I ended up doing to find TDC
and perhaps any flaws in this approach can be identified.
On an engine from a parts car, I wrapped a
piece of cut up tin can around the pulley held on tightly and flush by a
zip tie. I locked the flywheel with the peg at the EP mark made a mark on
the tin at the timing pointer, turned the engine and made a
second mark on the tin at the TDC line on the pulley. I
went back to my car, wrapped the tin around the pulley and aligned the
second mark in the tin to the TDC line. Turned the engine round
to the locking point and inserted the peg. Then ajusted a new pointer
to line up with the first mark on the tin. I made a L shaped bracket
to bolt to the bottom water pump bolts with a pointer from a sharpened
bolt. I reskon I got it to within a degree between engines,
BUT:
I am still not happy with the tune (currently set
at 4% with 91 octane and I must investigate other problems AND, I assume
the locking hole and peg is at the same degrees between a series
1 SC compared to a series 2 TC. It doesn't matter if they are a little
different because I now have a reliable pointer that will line up with
the scale under the strobe.
Cheers Roger
- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell
>To: The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts.
>Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:38
> AM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL]
> Timing point problems
>
>
>Roger,
>I have workshop manuals with a variey of dates which I can scan for
> discussion purposes.
>Two questons:
>What is the publication date of your workshop manual (withn the first few
> pages)?
>What is the year of your car?
>
>Eric
>
>
> "Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop
> (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Roger.Matheson
> <roger.matheson at bigpond.com>
>To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 10:14:30
> PM
>Subject: [Rovernet -
> INTERNATIONAL] Timing point problems
>
> >
>Hi All
>
>I have returned to a problem with
> my later model 2000 TC to check ignition timing, and the correct operation of
> the mechanical and vacume advance etc.
>
>This car has no pointer ajacent to
> the fan pulley with which to line up the timing marks with a
> timing light. The previous owner painted a line of the water pump
> but this varies on the line of sight. I normally set the ignition
> just shy of pinking but this is also inaccurate. Peak vacume is
> unhelpful. This engine may have had a repacement auxiliary drive housing
> fitted without a pointer.
>
>The only mark on the flywheel
> is the EP mark. According to my manual the timing diagram does not
> suggest a peak valve open (that I could measure with my dial guage) that
> corresponds to TDC. It suggests that the exhaust peak is 104 degree
> BTDC but to use this data I would have to stick a protractor on
> the pulley (remove grill, radiator, engine stay
> UGH).
>
>I am making a bracket with a pointer to
> fix the problem but I need to position it correctly.
>
>At some stage I will remove the head
> to do a valve grind and then I can measure TDC from the piston crown, BUT
> is there an easier quicker way now I assume that puting a rod through
> the spark plug hole will not work accurately because of the angle betwen
> the rod and the piston crown
>
>Any thougths / ideas gratefully
> received
>
>Cheers from
>Oz
>
>Roger
>Matheson
>
>
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From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
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Hello Folks,
?
The?900 mile vintage rally I?will be using the TC on will be the?12, 13, 14th of Sept.
?
Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix?will be greatly appreciated.
?
I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the left an was initially empty,?but now?I have developed a strong leak somewhere near the right?of the engine?
?
Please advise,
?
Cheers,
Peter
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From wfritz at mindspring.com Fri Aug 21 17:13:32 2009
From: wfritz at mindspring.com (Fritz Rauschenberg)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:13:32 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
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Hi,
I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20% gear oil
and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but not at a bothersome
rate and the box is lubricated. The box is difficult to rebuild and parts
are hard to get(so I'm told) and my fix has served me well for several years
now. If you want to try to locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you
thru the rally and then some.
Fritz Rauschenberg
'69 2000TC Fed A/C
Atlanta
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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:40 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need
help!
Hello Folks,
The 900 mile vintage rally I will be using the TC on will be the 12, 13,
14th of Sept.
Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix will be greatly
appreciated.
I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the
left an was initially empty, but now I have developed a strong leak
somewhere near the right of the engine?
Please advise,
Cheers,
Peter
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Sat Aug 22 02:40:47 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:40:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
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Peter,
??? ??? I'm a little bemused by your email. You say the steering box is on the left, I assume you mean when looking from the front of the car which would make it a RHD car.
However if the leak is coming form the right hand side of the engine then the only steering item this side is the steering idler which were oil filled on early cars but 'sealed for life' on later models. either way the idler is not affected when filling the box.
The fact your box was empty clearly points to a leak and usually (though not exclusively) it will either be the rubber seal around the drop arm or the paper gasket around the end plate both allowing oil to drip and run down over the master cylinders.
For your rally I wouldn't worry, just make sure you have a litre or so of EP90 oil?in the boot (trunk) and fill up as and when necesssary. Mine has been leaking for a while but it's one of those jobs that doesn't have to be done?providing you can put?up with the oil stained engine bay.??Long term it may be easier/cheaper to source a new old stock box (S& G Walker had plenty of stock @ ?40.00 each a while ago though I appreciate the shipping will double that) alternatively you could remove and take to a specialist who would be able to re-seal and perhaps overhaul for you.
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Sat Aug 22 02:52:18 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
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The oil leak is fixable with a simple oil seal that's available off the shelf at any good engineering supplies outlet - take the old one in with you. Buy two in case you stuff one up.
Removing and replacing the steering box works just like the workshop manual says -and this has to happen to replace the oil seal. No need for service parts if the steering box is unworn/working fine. Just follow the workshop manual at every step of the way and all will be well.
Tips/Insights:
Mark/tag the windscreen wiper electric connections. Using a bench vice to hold the unit is essential when removing the big nut/steering arm - use a big puller and powerbar. Use correction fluid/or similar to mark everything so that steering arms etc. go back in the same pre-dissassembly postions. The amount of crap that will come out of the base of the steering box will probably surprise you. Access is greatly enhanced by removing the bonnet/hood. Wrap the splined steering box shaft in tape and smother it in oil to avoid damaging the new oil seal. With this shaft back in place, fill the steering box with oil and leave it for a good long while [e.g overnight] - if you've munted the new seal you don't want to find out once it's back on the car. The biggest cow in the entire job is getting the steering box spline into the steering column universal joint - that can make you old boyo.
From: wfritz at mindspring.com
To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net; rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:13:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
Hi,
I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20% gear oil and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but not at a bothersome rate and the box is lubricated. The box is difficult to rebuild and parts are hard to get(so I?m told) and my fix has served me well for several years now. If you want to try to locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you thru the rally and then some.
Fritz Rauschenberg
?69 2000TC Fed A/C
Atlanta
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:40 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
Hello Folks,
The 900 mile vintage rally I will be using the TC on will be the 12, 13, 14th of Sept.
Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix will be greatly appreciated.
I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the left an was initially empty, but now I have developed a strong leak somewhere near the right of the engine?
Please advise,
Cheers,
Peter
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Sat Aug 22 21:06:43 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:06:43 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Finally !!
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Well I finally have my 3500S home !! and the parts car has been sold to a nice fellow in N.B who has intentions of combining his current rover with frame problems with the parts rover that has a good body and frame...a challenge but worthy one indeed.
Now that I have mine back home I will be busy taking at it trying to figure out what route to take in reviving the engine...but that shall be a new thread..lol
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From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Sun Aug 23 21:05:42 2009
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:05:42 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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P4 people.......
Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate in the front door pillar?
Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
Hank
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From kkinard at att.net Tue Aug 25 08:47:16 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Hi Hank,
The parts manual shows no alternate location.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>
> P4 people.......
>
> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
> in the front door pillar?
>
> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>
> Hank
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From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Tue Aug 25 09:06:59 2009
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:06:59 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy. I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it. I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years. So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From phing at videotron.ca Tue Aug 25 10:08:48 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy. I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it. I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years. So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From jaguru at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 25 14:53:18 2009
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the same?
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I have a set of rear pads with one sensor wire in each of the small pads. I assume they are 3500S. Are these the same as 2000TC? Can these be used in 2000TC, if the wire is cut off. ?James Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: Fritz Rauschenberg
To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net ; 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
Hi,
I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20% gear oil and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but not at a bothersome rate and the box is lubricated. The box is difficult to rebuild and parts are hard to get(so I'm told) and my fix has served me well for several years now. If you want to try to locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you thru the rally and then some.
Fritz Rauschenberg
'69 2000TC Fed A/C
Atlanta
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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:40 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
Hello Folks,
The 900 mile vintage rally I will be using the TC on will be the 12, 13, 14th of Sept.
Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix will be greatly appreciated.
I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the left an was initially empty, but now I have developed a strong leak somewhere near the right of the engine?
Please advise,
Cheers,
Peter
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
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From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy.? I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it.? I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years.? So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes?? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here?? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From pjemail at aol.com Tue Aug 25 12:09:26 2009
From: pjemail at aol.com (pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:09:26 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the
same?
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Dear James,
The pads can be used on a 2000 TC with Girling brakes, but as the ones with wires are rarer (and more valuable) it seems like a bit of a waste.
Regards,
Pierre Janusz
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Sent: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:53
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the same?
I have a set of rear pads with one sensor wire in each of the small pads. I assume they are 3500S. Are these the same as 2000TC? Can these be used in 2000TC, if the wire is cut off. ?James Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: Fritz Rauschenberg
To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net ; 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
Hi,
I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20% gear oil and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but not at a bothersome rate and the box is lubricated. The box is difficult to rebuild and parts are hard to get(so I?m told) and my fix has served me well for several years now. If you want to try to locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you thru the rally and then some.
Fritz Rauschenberg
?69 2000TC Fed A/C
Atlanta
?
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Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
?
Hello Folks,
?
The?900 mile vintage rally I?will be using the TC on will be the?12, 13, 14th of Sept.
?
Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix?will be greatly appreciated.
?
I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the left an was initially empty,?but now?I have developed a strong leak somewhere near the right?of the engine?
?
Please advise,
?
Cheers,
Peter
?
?
?
?
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:11:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the
same?
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Yes.
The wires can be cut off close to the pad. Keep the wires you cut off. They can be stipped back by about 1/4 inch and reinserted in non-wire pads to make them, well,......... wired?? :-)? [with some careful hole drilling, etc.]
Erc
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From: James Dean <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:53:18 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the same?
I have a set of rear pads with one sensor wire in each of the small pads. I assume they are 3500S. Are these the same as 2000TC? Can these be used in 2000TC, if the wire is cut off. ?James Dean
----- Original Message -----
>From: Fritz Rauschenberg
>To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net ; 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
>Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
>
>
>Hi,
>I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20% gear oil and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but not at a bothersome rate and the box is lubricated. The box is difficult to rebuild and parts are hard to get(so I?m told) and my fix has served me well for several years now. If you want to try to locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you thru the rally and then some.
>Fritz Rauschenberg
>?69 2000TC Fed A/C
>Atlanta
>?
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>Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:40 PM
>To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions need help!
>?
>Hello Folks,
>?
>The?900 mile vintage rally I?will be using the TC on will be the?12, 13, 14th of Sept.
>?
>Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix?will be greatly appreciated.
>?
>I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box is on the left an was initially empty,?but now?I have developed a strong leak somewhere near the right?of the engine?
>?
>Please advise,
>?
>Cheers,
>Peter
>?
>
>?
>?
>?
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Was: P4 serial number locations,
now P6 VIN locations
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----- Original Message ----
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:08:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy.? I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it.? I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years.? So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes?? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here?? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
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From vern at inkspotco.com Tue Aug 25 12:16:01 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:16:01 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] rear brake pads 2000 and s500S the
same?
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Yes, the pads will work. They are not quite the right compound, but
that will make no practical difference (if fact, I doubt if even a NOS
Girling set would be the right compound, Rover used several over the
years.
Yours
Vern
On 25-Aug-09, at 11:53 AM, James Dean wrote:
> I have a set of rear pads with one sensor wire in each of the small
> pads. I assume they are 3500S. Are these the same as 2000TC? Can
> these be used in 2000TC, if the wire is cut off. ?James Dean
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fritz Rauschenberg
> To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net ; 'The original list for Rover car
> enthusiasts.'
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 2000 TC LHD questions
> need help!
>
> Hi,
> I can relate and I solved my leak. I mixed #2 grease with about 20%
> gear oil and filled the steering box. It still leaks slightly but
> not at a bothersome rate and the box is lubricated. The box is
> difficult to rebuild and parts are hard to get(so I?m told) and my
> fix has served me well for several years now. If you want to try to
> locate parts for a rebuild, my fix will get you thru the rally and
> then some.
> Fritz Rauschenberg
> ?69 2000TC Fed A/C
> Atlanta
>
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
> ] On Behalf Of pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net
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> need help!
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> The 900 mile vintage rally I will be using the TC on will be the 12,
> 13, 14th of Sept.
>
> Another problem has arisen and any help for a quick fix will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> I filled the steering box with the rec lubricant! the steering box
> is on the left an was initially empty, but now I have developed a
> strong leak somewhere near the right of the engine?
>
> Please advise,
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
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>
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From phing at videotron.ca Tue Aug 25 14:34:17 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:34:17 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
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Eric
I have a 1970 P6B] 3500S [ Federal ?? - NADA ?? spec ] The VIN numbers are
where the Owner's hand book says they should be: on a plate inside the
engine compartment, in front of the LH side front door pillar A second
plate, with nifty Rover logos is mounted inside the car on the LH front
door trim rail, under the opening 1/4 light .
Why the question ?
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Eric Russell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your
P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
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----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy.? I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it.? I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years.? So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes?? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here?? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 14:50:30 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:34:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
Eric
I have a 1970 P6B] 3500S [ Federal ?? - NADA ?? spec ] The VIN numbers are
where the Owner's hand book says they should be: on a plate inside the
engine compartment, in front of the LH side front door pillar A second
plate, with nifty Rover logos is mounted inside the car on the LH front
door trim rail, under the opening 1/4 light .
Why the question ?
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Eric Russell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your
P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy. I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it. I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years. So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 15:17:52 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
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Hmm,....... what I thought I said didn't get out.
1. Patrick said, "Even My P6 has the VIN in two places. Cheers, Patrick"
2. I wondered, "What version of P6 is that?"
3. If Patrick had said, "P6B", I wouldn't have asked the question.
4. I wanted to compare to my 1969 TC 2000.
Eric
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From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:34:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
Eric
I have a 1970 P6B] 3500S [ Federal ?? - NADA ?? spec ] The VIN numbers are
where the Owner's hand book says they should be: on a plate inside the
engine compartment, in front of the LH side front door pillar A second
plate, with nifty Rover logos is mounted inside the car on the LH front
door trim rail, under the opening 1/4 light .
Why the question ?
Cheers
Patrick
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your
P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy. I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it. I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years. So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Tue Aug 25 15:38:25 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:38:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: P6B serial number [VIN] locations
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
My '73 TC had it stamped on the front inner wing and I also found it stamped underneath the rear screen panel ( the panel the fuel cap screws to) on top of the chassis panel that the boot (trunk) light mounts on.
As for the original question I think P4's only ever had the plate on the A post which is where the early P6's also had it.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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Sent: Tuesday, 25 August, 2009 8:17:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
Hmm,....... what I thought I said didn't get out.
1. Patrick said, "Even My P6 has the VIN in two places. Cheers, Patrick"
2. I wondered, "What version of P6 is that?"
3. If Patrick had said, "P6B", I wouldn't have asked the question.
4. I wanted to compare to my 1969 TC 2000.
Eric
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:34:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
Eric
I have a 1970 P6B] 3500S [ Federal ?? - NADA ?? spec ] The VIN numbers are
where the Owner's hand book says they should be: on a plate inside the
engine compartment,? in front of the LH side? front door pillar A second
plate, with nifty Rover logos? is mounted inside the car? on the LH front
door trim rail, under? the opening 1/4 light .
Why the question ?
Cheers
Patrick
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Behalf Of Eric Russell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your
P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:08:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
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Behalf Of Hank and Sally Manwell
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy.? I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it.? I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years.? So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes?? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here?? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
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To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
>>
>> Hank
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From esailer at snet.net Tue Aug 25 20:48:42 2009
From: esailer at snet.net (EDWARD SAILER)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Hi Hank:
?
My recollection is that the serial number (a/k/a VIN) is stamped on the top?left side?of the front frame above the left front spring.? The number was partly obscured by the inner front wing but could be read with a lot of degreasing.?? I vaguely remember a discussion of the location?in the Rover workshop manual.
?
Ted
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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P4 people.......
?
Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate in the front door pillar?
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?
Hank
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 22:00:22 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:00:22 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core
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I am thinking that it is quite possible that I might be in need of a new heater core ...any ideas as to where I can get one ?? Also has anyone here changed one ...how much is involved in this procedure ?
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From giannid at bigpond.com Tue Aug 25 22:27:34 2009
From: giannid at bigpond.com (Gianni D'Ortenzio)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:27:34 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core
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what country are you in?
i have several here in Australia
no big drama changing though a little tedious
second hand ones need to be checked carefully (best tested by radiator
experts) and may require repair as your own does
new core can be very expensive but best option for long term
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From peter_m at amnet.net.au Tue Aug 25 22:57:22 2009
From: peter_m at amnet.net.au (Peter Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:57:22 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core-magazine article
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Hello Dennis,
Have a look at the article by James Whitford in the enclosed link. The
article was published in the magazine of the Rover Owners Club, Australia.
http://www.roverownersclub.com.au/Club%20magazine.htm
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From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 00:19:51 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:19:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core-magazine article
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Excellent article! I wonder what the physical size of the heater core is? It may be possible to replace it with a core from a much more common vehicle such as the MGB??? A new MGb core is about $77 US from MOSS.
Slats
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Hello Dennis,
Have a look at the article? by James Whitford in the enclosed link. The article was published in the magazine of the Rover Owners Club, Australia.
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Wed Aug 26 02:31:03 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:31:03 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Like Ted, I have a shaky recollection that the serial number is stamped on the frame up the front. It's also worth looking for the car's build ticket tucked away up inside the springs of the front seat.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:48:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
Hi Hank:
My recollection is that the serial number (a/k/a VIN) is stamped on the top left side of the front frame above the left front spring. The number was partly obscured by the inner front wing but could be read with a lot of degreasing. I vaguely remember a discussion of the location in the Rover workshop manual.
Ted
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:05 PM
P4 people.......
Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate in the front door pillar?
Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
Hank
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From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:41:41 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - how
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Here's one for the gurus.
The ventilation fan on a 1969 2000 only works on the slow [first detent] setting. I want to see if I can rectify this problem but can't for the life of me work out how to access the electrical and mechanical connections between the fan motor and dashboard fan speed selection lever. The workshop manual is silent on the subject [as far as I can tell] and the parts book diagram [usually an steadfast oracle on such matters] is unrevealing.
Any clues would be most welcome - even if it is to confirm in true Rover style the requirement to "dissassemble the entire dashboard".....
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Access the underdash from the right footwell (usually upside down with the sill in your back).
Look for brown with yellow and brown with black wires going in to black female bullet connectors.
Those are the two earth paths for the blower motor.
PVS
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - howto access?
Here's one for the gurus.
The ventilation fan on a 1969 2000 only works on the slow [first detent] setting. I want to see if I can rectify this problem but can't for the life of me work out how to access the electrical and mechanical connections between the fan motor and dashboard fan speed selection lever. The workshop manual is silent on the subject [as far as I can tell] and the parts book diagram [usually an steadfast oracle on such matters] is unrevealing.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 26 06:08:15 2009
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Here's a link to a Land Rover page about serial numbers.? It shows the location as I rember the serial number on a P4.
?
http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Series%20chassis_no.htm
?
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P4 people.......
?
Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate in the front door pillar?
?
Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
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My '73 TC had it stamped on the front inner wing and I also found it stamped underneath the rear screen panel ( the panel the fuel cap screws to) on top of the chassis panel that the boot (trunk) light mounts on.
As for the original question I think P4's only ever had the plate on the A post which is where the early P6's also had it.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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Hmm,....... what I thought I said didn't get out.
1. Patrick said, "Even My P6 has the VIN in two places. Cheers, Patrick"
2. I wondered, "What version of P6 is that?"
3. If Patrick had said, "P6B", I wouldn't have asked the question.
4. I wanted to compare to my 1969 TC 2000.
Eric
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B serial number [VIN] locations
Eric
I have a 1970 P6B] 3500S [ Federal ?? - NADA ?? spec ] The VIN numbers are
where the Owner's hand book says they should be: on a plate inside the
engine compartment,? in front of the LH side? front door pillar A second
plate, with nifty Rover logos? is mounted inside the car? on the LH front
door trim rail, under? the opening 1/4 light .
Why the question ?
Cheers
Patrick
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Patrick,
For discussion purposes, I would be interested in the year and model of your
P6 and where the two places are located.
Eric
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Hank
Rovers used to stamp the car number on P1 P2 and P3s the front RH side of
the chassis , usually in an inaccessible location . I would assume that they
continued to do this on P4s ??? Even My P6 has the VIN in two places
Cheers
Patrick
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Thanks, Kent,
That seems surprising, given that most manufacturers, including Rover for
other series, added number redundancy.? I've sold (given) a 1960 100 solid
hulk to one of our people in Virginia and we're trying to sort out how he
should register it.? I've had three such cars over the years, the other two
were scrapped, one of which I used as a "winter rat" for a few years.? So
which to "sign over" for registration purposes?? Since I owned them all
legally, perhaps it will be the first I find the serial number plate from.
Incidentally, one was 653000001, the first 100 sold here?? The other two
were less interesting numbers, but all 1960.
Perhaps others will weigh in from experience.
Hank
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> Hi Hank,
> The parts manual shows no alternate location.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
>
> Hank and Sally Manwell wrote:
>>
>> P4 people.......
>>
>> Is the serial number shown anywhere on a P4 body aside from the plate
>> in the front door pillar?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for helping me sleuth this out.
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From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P4 serial number locations
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This is certainly consistent with the approach used on Land Rovers -
knowing were it shoudl be and actually finding it are sometimes
different things however
Aidrian
?> My recollection is that the serial number (a/k/a VIN) is stamped on
the top?left side?of the front frame above the left front spring.? The
number was partly obscured by the inner front wing but could be read
with a lot of degreasing.
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From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:14:08 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls
- howto access?
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Thanks mate - I'll follow through on that.
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - howto access?
Access the underdash from the right footwell (usually upside down with the sill in your back).
Look for brown with yellow and brown with black wires going in to black female bullet connectors.
Those are the two earth paths for the blower motor.
PVS
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - howto access?
Here's one for the gurus.
The ventilation fan on a 1969 2000 only works on the slow [first detent] setting. I want to see if I can rectify this problem but can't for the life of me work out how to access the electrical and mechanical connections between the fan motor and dashboard fan speed selection lever. The workshop manual is silent on the subject [as far as I can tell] and the parts book diagram [usually an steadfast oracle on such matters] is unrevealing.
Any clues would be most welcome - even if it is to confirm in true Rover style the requirement to "dissassemble the entire dashboard".....
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls -
how to access?
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You will have to hope for a loose external connection or corroded lucas connector outside the heater :-)
A brown/green wire brings positive 12 volts to a connector that exits as a brown/purple wire in the three wires that enter the heater box.
The sliding switch selects either the brown/yellow or the brown/black wire to go to ground or earth.
The problem is that there is a variable green coloured resistor inside the heater box. The power goes to one side of the?blower motor. There are two taps on the resistor. The middle tap is wired to your slider switch and becomes the fast speed connection. The end tap has the most resistance and becomes the slow speed.
I would recommend visiting the point where the wires come out of the heater box in the engine compartment. Turn on the ignition switch. Perhaps use a wire with two alligator clips on it to test. From inside the engine compartment, ground each of the brown/yellow and brown/black wires in turn.? If you still don't have control over blower speed, then the problem is inside the heater box, perhaps with that middle tap connection.
If you are lucky you have a loose or corroded connection outside the box.
You can only access the resistor by removing the heater box from the firewall. You will see the wires coming out of a gommet in a plate and three Phillips headed screws to remove for access.
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - how to access?
Here's one for the gurus.
?
The ventilation fan on a 1969 2000 only works on the slow [first detent] setting.? I want to?see if I can rectify this problem but can't for the life of me work out how to access the electrical and mechanical connections between the fan motor and?dashboard?fan speed selection lever.? The workshop manual is silent on the subject [as far as I can tell] and the parts book diagram [usually an?steadfast oracle on such matters] is unrevealing.
?
Any clues would be most welcome - even if it is to?confirm?in true Rover style the requirement to "dissassemble the entire dashboard".....
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From den at aachenkennels.com Wed Aug 26 20:29:05 2009
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:29:05 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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Morning All,
As this is my first post thought I would start with a short intro.
I'm originally from the UK but now live in Perth West Australia. I've
been a member of a few different car clubs over the years along with the
Rover and Riley car club here in West Australia I'm also a member of the
RSR in UK. I have a 1936 Speed 14 Streamline coupe that is going to a
bit of a wipe over with an oily rag, 46 Rover Special, 47 P2 sports
that's up for a RV8 conversion, 47 6 light that's a lot better then a
spares car but not sure what will happen with that one. SD1 with a go
faster V8 motor and a just to recapture the Army days a 99 defender that
has squeaky brakes that I'll fix one day.
My first recollection with Rovers was learning to drive in a Land Rover
on an uncle's horse farm in Kent where I spent most of my free time.
Then at 15 an apprenticeship with a firm in South East London mainly
working on or modifying cars for racing and rallying. The owner plus a
few of the mechanics also race their own cars mainly at Brands Hatch.
This was the days of the mighty Mini Coopers, Cortina's and (my
favourite) Austin A40 with an MGB engine. The first car and engine swap
I was involved in was a lotus conversion to an old Anglia, went like the
clappers. We also used to service and tune pre and post war sports cars
and specials some of which were used for trialling which the owner used
to take us apprentices to. I recall the first time I was a passenger in
a special no idea what the make was as the only thing I recall was
hanging on for grim death. Soon as this thing took of to attack this
muddy hill I knew I was going to die and soon, I'm sure those little
spoke wheels bent whenever we went round a corner, noise, mud shouting
bloody brilliant! I was hooked. I do recall seeing a Vikings head on the
Radiator of that car but have never seen a Rover like it so what it was
from or what the car was I've no idea but then with 'special' you can do
what you like. Guess this was the start of my fondness for these old
sport cars and Specials.
I've always had a fascination with anything machinery from old steam
engines to aeroplanes, in other words if it moves and was made by a
bloke then I'm interested. As to cars most are to get me from here to
there however I do like those that are based on sound innovative
engineering this is the area that Rover excel's at. The front suspension
on the P6 is one point.
Now to the question, I'm in the process of rebuilding the engine on the
Special which is a post war 16hp P2. As the main and big end bearing are
hard or expensive to get hold of a good friend who is an engineer
suggested that I should try Aluminium. Interesting to hear other point
of views or suggestions on this one.
In war there are no unwounded soldiers.
Den Gallacher
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Thu Aug 27 03:30:42 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:30:42 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls
- how to access?
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Excellent - thanks Eric. I've printed this off for workshop reference.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:51:38 -0700
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - how to access?
You will have to hope for a loose external connection or corroded lucas connector outside the heater :-)
A brown/green wire brings positive 12 volts to a connector that exits as a brown/purple wire in the three wires that enter the heater box.
The sliding switch selects either the brown/yellow or the brown/black wire to go to ground or earth.
The problem is that there is a variable green coloured resistor inside the heater box. The power goes to one side of the blower motor. There are two taps on the resistor. The middle tap is wired to your slider switch and becomes the fast speed connection. The end tap has the most resistance and becomes the slow speed.
I would recommend visiting the point where the wires come out of the heater box in the engine compartment. Turn on the ignition switch. Perhaps use a wire with two alligator clips on it to test. From inside the engine compartment, ground each of the brown/yellow and brown/black wires in turn. If you still don't have control over blower speed, then the problem is inside the heater box, perhaps with that middle tap connection.
If you are lucky you have a loose or corroded connection outside the box.
You can only access the resistor by removing the heater box from the firewall. You will see the wires coming out of a gommet in a plate and three Phillips headed screws to remove for access.
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:41:41 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 2000 ventilation fan controls - how to access?
Here's one for the gurus.
The ventilation fan on a 1969 2000 only works on the slow [first detent] setting. I want to see if I can rectify this problem but can't for the life of me work out how to access the electrical and mechanical connections between the fan motor and dashboard fan speed selection lever. The workshop manual is silent on the subject [as far as I can tell] and the parts book diagram [usually an steadfast oracle on such matters] is unrevealing.
Any clues would be most welcome - even if it is to confirm in true Rover style the requirement to "dissassemble the entire dashboard".....
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From roger.matheson at bigpond.com Thu Aug 27 04:01:03 2009
From: roger.matheson at bigpond.com (Roger.Matheson)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:01:03 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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Hi Den,
Couldn't resist replying from the East Coast of NSW where at least it still rains sometimes. I had Riley's before Rovers and I used a 1947 1 1/2 Litre as a daily driver in 1970. I rebuilt the engine and loved the thrill of overtaking pedestrians with the extra power. I got into Rovers because my wife could't manage the long throw of the gear lever. Do you remember that the 3 main bearings of the Riley were solid white metal tinned to steel bearing assemblies. They were built up in halves with a white metal rod and a gas welding / soldering technique. The mating surfaces were then machine for the bearing assemblies to be fitted together. They were then inserted into the block without the crank and bored out in line. This may be a solution for your P2 because as I understand the bearing surfaces on the shells is still white metal. Perhaps you could get an engineering mob to build up the white metal thickness on your old shells, make a boss to hold them together in round and then machine them down to the required dimension. Same with the big ends. This may be cheaper and easier than trying to locate new oversize shells to fit the crank especially if that needs machining. I have no knowledge of aluminium being used as a bearing material but I can't imagine it working.
Have fun Cheers Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Gallacher
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
Morning All,
As this is my first post thought I would start with a short intro.
I'm originally from the UK but now live in Perth West Australia. I've been a member of a few different car clubs over the years along with the Rover and Riley car club here in West Australia I'm also a member of the RSR in UK. I have a 1936 Speed 14 Streamline coupe that is going to a bit of a wipe over with an oily rag, 46 Rover Special, 47 P2 sports that's up for a RV8 conversion, 47 6 light that's a lot better then a spares car but not sure what will happen with that one. SD1 with a go faster V8 motor and a just to recapture the Army days a 99 defender that has squeaky brakes that I'll fix one day.
My first recollection with Rovers was learning to drive in a Land Rover on an uncle's horse farm in Kent where I spent most of my free time. Then at 15 an apprenticeship with a firm in South East London mainly working on or modifying cars for racing and rallying. The owner plus a few of the mechanics also race their own cars mainly at Brands Hatch. This was the days of the mighty Mini Coopers, Cortina's and (my favourite) Austin A40 with an MGB engine. The first car and engine swap I was involved in was a lotus conversion to an old Anglia, went like the clappers. We also used to service and tune pre and post war sports cars and specials some of which were used for trialling which the owner used to take us apprentices to. I recall the first time I was a passenger in a special no idea what the make was as the only thing I recall was hanging on for grim death. Soon as this thing took of to attack this muddy hill I knew I was going to die and soon, I'm sure those little spoke wheels bent whenever we went round a corner, noise, mud shouting bloody brilliant! I was hooked. I do recall seeing a Vikings head on the Radiator of that car but have never seen a Rover like it so what it was from or what the car was I've no idea but then with 'special' you can do what you like. Guess this was the start of my fondness for these old sport cars and Specials.
I've always had a fascination with anything machinery from old steam engines to aeroplanes, in other words if it moves and was made by a bloke then I'm interested. As to cars most are to get me from here to there however I do like those that are based on sound innovative engineering this is the area that Rover excel's at. The front suspension on the P6 is one point.
Now to the question, I'm in the process of rebuilding the engine on the Special which is a post war 16hp P2. As the main and big end bearing are hard or expensive to get hold of a good friend who is an engineer suggested that I should try Aluminium. Interesting to hear other point of views or suggestions on this one.
In war there are no unwounded soldiers.
Den Gallacher
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Thu Aug 27 04:06:14 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:06:14 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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In Hobart we have had nothing but rain for 2 months.
It was low for the 10 years prior, now I can't do anything on the 3500 due to weather!
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger.Matheson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
Hi Den,
Couldn't resist replying from the East Coast of NSW where at least it still rains sometimes. I had Riley's before Rovers and I used a 1947 1 1/2 Litre as a daily driver in 1970. I rebuilt the engine and loved the thrill of overtaking pedestrians with the extra power. I got into Rovers because my wife could't manage the long throw of the gear lever. Do you remember that the 3 main bearings of the Riley were solid white metal tinned to steel bearing assemblies. They were built up in halves with a white metal rod and a gas welding / soldering technique. The mating surfaces were then machine for the bearing assemblies to be fitted together. They were then inserted into the block without the crank and bored out in line. This may be a solution for your P2 because as I understand the bearing surfaces on the shells is still white metal. Perhaps you could get an engineering mob to build up the white metal thickness on your old shells, make a boss to hold them together in round and then machine them down to the required dimension. Same with the big ends. This may be cheaper and easier than trying to locate new oversize shells to fit the crank especially if that needs machining. I have no knowledge of aluminium being used as a bearing material but I can't imagine it working.
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From peterhut at activ8.net.au Thu Aug 27 04:34:45 2009
From: peterhut at activ8.net.au (Peter H)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:34:45 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:06:14 +1000, you wrote:
>In Hobart we have had nothing but rain for 2 months.
>It was low for the 10 years prior, now I can't do anything on the 3500 due to weather!
Up the East Coast of Tassie we have had over 150mm in last two months,
following 250mm in June. I am getting bogged just driving up the farm
driveway!! Our drought has well and truly broken.
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 27 04:46:41 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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> Hi
I wouldn't reccomend aluminium as a bearing material. It's very
'sticky' and will weld itself to the steel of the crank within a short
time.
Cheers,
Steven
From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Thu Aug 27 09:29:23 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:29:23 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core
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Thanks Ben...I hope to get there sometime soon...I appreciate it !!
Take care
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:08:15 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B heater core
Hi Dennis
I have a couple of heater cores here and I believe they are good. you are welcome to come take your pick, no charge!
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 10:05:57 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:05:57 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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Den
Why not just get the bearings remetalled? There's got to be someone in
WA doing that sort of work.
My concern with using aluminium is that if it ever gets really hot
then the bearing surface will pick up on the crank and the whole lot
could weld itself into one piece.
Aidrian
From hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu Thu Aug 27 10:35:31 2009
From: hdmanwell at alumni.bates.edu (Hank and Sally Manwell)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:35:31 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
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Zig Billus at The Babbitt Pot in Fort Edward, NY (northwest of Albany) has
an excellent reputation for rebabbitting bearings. He did the bearings in
one of our 1930 Franklins and our 1947 Rover Tourer back in the mid 70s,
then the bearings in our other 1930 Franklin in the late 80s. He did
"emergency" bearing replacement on a friend's mid 20's Packard in July and
returned the finished product in little over a week.
He presented at a tech session for us earlier this month at our annual
Franklin TREK to Syracuse (where they were made) and answered detailed
questions about his preferences in metals and the ups and downs of other
alloys.
As you can tell, he's been in business for years and I've never heard
criticism of his work. And to me his work is surprisingly inexpensive.
His web site can be readily Googled.......
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Aluminium bearing shells.
> Den
>
> Why not just get the bearings remetalled? There's got to be someone in
> WA doing that sort of work.
>
> My concern with using aluminium is that if it ever gets really hot
> then the bearing surface will pick up on the crank and the whole lot
> could weld itself into one piece.
>
> Aidrian
>
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 28 00:00:25 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:00:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 TC P6 LHD Thanks for previous
steering answers! more questions fan!
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Hello all,
I leave on the vintage?rally on?the 12th of Sept and temperatures are getting to 100's +?and will be very high in the northern part of CA, I am concerned about the stock?4 blade cooling?fan on my car as?it seems inadequate.
I wonder if anyone has a better fan I could buy from them! maybe a 6 blade would help!
?
Or does anyone know of an over the counter one I can order?
?
The flex fans I've looked at do not have 1inch?+?center holes and will not fit! I have just tried to drill out the center of a flex fan to one inch + and I am concerned it will be miss balanced now?
?
Second question! does anyone know the size of the "O" ring in the reserve tap, so I can carry one with me on the trip incase?
?
Cheers,
Peter Holbrook
California USA
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Fri Aug 28 01:37:58 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:37:58 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 TC P6 LHD Thanks for
previoussteering answers! more questions fan!
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6 blade will easily do it.
4 blade fails to keep temp down if sitting still at 95F and up, if you are moving it is ok.
PVS
who lives in a country that had 6 blade as standard.
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 TC P6 LHD Thanks for previoussteering answers! more questions fan!
Hello all,
I leave on the vintage rally on the 12th of Sept and temperatures are getting to 100's + and will be very high in the northern part of CA, I am concerned about the stock 4 blade cooling fan on my car as it seems inadequate.
I wonder if anyone has a better fan I could buy from them! maybe a 6 blade would help!
Or does anyone know of an over the counter one I can order?
The flex fans I've looked at do not have 1inch + center holes and will not fit! I have just tried to drill out the center of a flex fan to one inch + and I am concerned it will be miss balanced now?
Second question! does anyone know the size of the "O" ring in the reserve tap, so I can carry one with me on the trip incase?
Cheers,
Peter Holbrook
California USA
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From den at aachenkennels.com Fri Aug 28 07:02:30 2009
From: den at aachenkennels.com (Dennis Gallacher)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:02:30 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Bit more on Aluminium Bearings
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Thanks all for your response.
I didn't want to load up my first post so only sent in a brief question.
Now I have a bit more time Ill write up more on the information I've
found out so far.
However first I have managed to track down a set of NOS big end and
mains for this engine. Thanks to Mike Evens in UK who source a set.
Would you believe he even went to the extent of sending me the ones he
was saving for his own car which just happened to be exactly the right
over size I needed for mine!
I have been investigating the different option for ether getting the
main and big end converted back to just white metal. As Mike said that
the original steel back white metal shells are getting harder to find
therefore command a high price. It would appear that many of the machine
shops will refurbish the old shells with white metal but no one I spoke
to thought that this was the best choice. Next to getting hold of NOS
all of the old Rover fans considered going back to all white metal for
the big ends and mains. Which meant bolting up the con rods and
machining them out in such a way as to allow for the pouring of the
white metal then have them line bored to size. About the same process
for the mains in other words go back to the same engineered big and main
bearing of the 30s. Nothing wrong with that and certainly would have
been my choice if Mike Evens had not been able to help.
Problem for me though was one of cost, at $250 AUD for each of the mains
x 4 plus 6 big ends it worked out far far cheaper to buy for the UK
which is what I have done for the 46 engine (BTW I'm on the look out for
a pre war 14HP or 16HP engine if you know of one please get in touch).
As to the question on the use of aluminium for bearing. The type or code
of Ally has change since my days and at first I was a bit sceptical same
as most of you however once I started to listen and did a bit of
investigating myself it would appear that this is not a way out there
question after all. Most of the con rods used in motorbikes these days
are made from ally and don't have any shells at all. Many of the huge
air compressors also use a certain type of aluminium alloy so do some of
the high revving racing engines.
So perhaps with modern mixing of these alloys there is a certain type
that would suit these old cars without going to the expense of pouring
and machine white metal for bearings?
In war there are no unwounded soldiers.
Den Gallacher
From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Fri Aug 28 07:21:21 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:21:21 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1967 TC P6 LHD Thanks for
previoussteering answers! more questions fan!
References: <318623.22825.qm@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP25908B10B5AD1CC5F1C30A95F50@phx.gbl>
Hi Peter
I have a six blade fan for a TC here on PEI, if you can't find one closer.
Ben (irishrover)
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From lacpsyd6 at msn.com Fri Aug 28 17:57:51 2009
From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:57:51 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Decal placement
Message-ID: <COL111-DS178854249823D6D9E7860B83F50@phx.gbl>
I've resurrected and reproduced a 3500 tyre pressure decal. I found it amongst a box of parts so I do not know where the original location is on the driver's door (I'm assuming this is where it goes???). I would appreciate it if someone could tell if the they know the exact placement (e.g., is it on the rim of the door itself or along the lower insider of the b pillar.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Lance La Certe '70 3500s
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From englishmn at verizon.net Sat Aug 29 09:51:55 2009
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:51:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
Message-ID: <289554.92479.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hello everyone
l have just found a 1970 P6B that was a parts car but is good to save l need the 3 pc front grill and the lower valance and gauge cluster and dash top might need a few more things but thats it for now
lam in michigan so the states or canada?would be best for post out side can get expensive
thanksmuch peter
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Sat Aug 29 09:55:52 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
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References: <289554.92479.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Peter,
I probably have a VG/EXC dash top, and have a pile of miscellaneous P6 bits. I probably can go look for the dash top on sunday. When/as you figure out what other stuff you need please drop me a line & I'll see if I can help out. I'm in SC.
Cheers,
Jim
________________________________
From: peter & nancy <englishmn at verizon.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:51:55 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
Hello everyone
l have just found a 1970 P6B that was a parts car but is good to save l need the 3 pc front grill and the lower valance and gauge cluster and dash top might need a few more things but thats it for now
lam in michigan so the states or canada would be best for post out side can get expensive
thanksmuch peter
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Sat Aug 29 12:04:41 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:04:41 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] engine #
Message-ID: <COL114-W4386F86EE692367172937CDEF40@phx.gbl>
I am searching to locate the engine # on my 3500S...the manual says it should be just behind the valve cover (as it is drawn in the book) but I see nothing...it should still be there as it appears to be stamped if I read the book right.
It should also show the compression ratio as well at the same location...can anyone direct meto where this is ??
Regards
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From kkinard at att.net Sat Aug 29 12:09:33 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
In-Reply-To: <289554.92479.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <289554.92479.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A9952BD.8090602@att.net>
Hi Peter,
I have many, many instrument clusters for P6B (an a few for P6, as far
as that goes) plus many individual instruments. When you say "three
piece grill" are you talking about the two grill halves plus the big
plastic center emblem? I can probably supply those as well, though the
center emblem may not be perfect. You can use P6 grill halves, but the
P6B ones have painted recesses. Does the car have Icelert wiring? Do
you need the sensor box?
Roverly,
Kent K.
peter & nancy wrote:
> Hello everyone
> l have just found a 1970 P6B that was a parts car but is good to save
> l need the 3 pc front grill and the lower valance and gauge cluster
> and dash top might need a few more things but thats it for now
> lam in michigan so the states or canada would be best for post out
> side can get expensive
> thanksmuch peter
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From Pjemail at aol.com Sat Aug 29 12:37:10 2009
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:37:10 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
Message-ID: <be6.55a3f03b.37cab336@aol.com>
You can't use P6 (i.e. 2000 or 2000 TC) aluminium grilles on a P6B as the
position of the headlamps is different on the series I cars.
Regards,
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 29 14:05:24 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake reservoir cap broke for 1967
LHD TC P6 replacement needed?
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Hello all, Still preping/repairing my car!
?
Does anyone know what I can buy locally?to replace this cap as it just broke on removal and is no good, is there any other British car that has the same? maybe a MK2 jag? etc.
?
Cheers,
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From phing at videotron.ca Sat Aug 29 14:18:32 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:18:32 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] FW: 1970 Rover P6B 3500S " Federal " for
sale offered prior to E Bay listing
Message-ID: <002801ca28d5$1ddabce0$599036a0$@ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Hiron [mailto:phing at videotron.ca]
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:08 AM
To: (rovernet at rovernet.ca)
Subject: 1970 Rover P6B 3500S " Federal " for sale offered prior to E Bay
listing
Hi
?Rip van winkle , my P6B , is for sale to finance another acquisition .
RVW had been in storage in a heated motor house for 20 years , when I found
it? in 2007 .I have since? conscientiously recommissioned the car.
The odometer now reads 34500 miles , which may well be the true mileage
The car is black and gold coach lines , not a standard Rover colour scheme ,
with tan Ambla interior .The body is absolutely rust free , the chrome ,
stainless trim and ?interior are all ?excellent
I have replaced : tires[New Pirelli Cinturatos ] , battery ,wiper blades ,
plugs , HT leads, all hoses, brake pads?? etc ,etc; rebuilt the radiator ,??
rebuilt the entire? brake system , fitted new inertia reel seat belts in the
front .I have fitted a smaller Nardi wood rim wheel in place of the original
Rover ? Leyland? bus ?wheel
To ensure reliable starting and running The original air filter has been
replaced by two KN units ?the AED was removed in favour of a manual choke
All the? parts, except the steering wheel , have been stored to enable the
car to be anoraked back to ?original ?
I am presently assembling an E Bay photo collection .Please contact me
directly at phing at videotron.ca for more information , price etc
Cheers
?Patrick in Montreal Canada
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Aug 29 15:19:06 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
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Message-ID: <E997026F674F4D03BF34CE4C5560687A@SN037535920331>
Its not the headlights, its the position of the locating lugs on the bottom which is different.
Regards
Mark
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From roverman2 at verizon.net Sat Aug 29 15:38:43 2009
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
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Hi Peter,
We have a used front grille (2 piece), lower valance and gauge
cluster in stock. Please contact us directly at roverman2 at verizon.net
or call (845) 947 3126.
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Jim Cumberland wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> I probably have a VG/EXC dash top, and have a pile of miscellaneous
> P6 bits. I probably can go look for the dash top on sunday. When/
> as you figure out what other stuff you need please drop me a line &
> I'll see if I can help out. I'm in SC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
>
> From: peter & nancy <englishmn at verizon.net>
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:51:55 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
>
> Hello everyone
> l have just found a 1970 P6B that was a parts car but is good to
> save l need the 3 pc front grill and the lower valance and gauge
> cluster and dash top might need a few more things but thats it for now
> lam in michigan so the states or canada would be best for post out
> side can get expensive
> thanksmuch peter
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From slatskars at comcast.net Sat Aug 29 20:04:02 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake reservoir cap broke for 1967
LHD TC P6 replacement needed?
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Peter,
The cap from a can of PVC glue will work, after removing the built in dauber. If you have the cap with the bulit in float mechanism (as I have on my P-5), you will have to cut the center out carefully in order to fit the float mechanism.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:05:24 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake reservoir cap broke for 1967 LHD TC P6 replacement needed?
Hello all, Still preping/repairing my car!
Does anyone know what I can buy locally?to replace this cap as it just broke on removal and is no good, is there any other British car that has the same? maybe a MK2 jag? etc.
Cheers,
Peter Holbrook
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From mikshdik at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 02:28:17 2009
From: mikshdik at gmail.com (Mike Shaddick)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6Grills
Message-ID: <774478930908292328gabaec0bm5a9320cfb9cfdb15@mail.gmail.com>
What is entirely possible is to replace the plastic"egg box" grill
assemblies on a P6B with the much preferable aluminium grill from an
earlier P6 3500. Minimal surgery to the P6B front end.
Best wishes
Mike Shaddick
From gwlucas at granite.mb.ca Sun Aug 30 07:49:55 2009
From: gwlucas at granite.mb.ca (Glen Lucas)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:49:55 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P4 100 finishing touches.
In-Reply-To: <4A9952BD.8090602@att.net>
References: <289554.92479.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<4A9952BD.8090602@att.net>
Message-ID: <00c101ca2967$fe2469d0$fa6d3d70$@mb.ca>
Hello,
Let me introduce myself. My wife made the proverbial barn find last summer
in our little Manitoba town. She was exercising one of her passions on the
garage sale circuit and came across an almost perfect Rover 100. I spent the
winter off and on making the car road worthy and thanks to several hours
tours through the archives of this and other Rover groups plus a whole lot
of help from Ruth Burgess, we have the car running very well. In fact it
has been a regular driver for about the last month.
However, there remains a few cosmetic pieces I would like to repair or
replace.
Initially, triangular shaped plastic Rover 100 grill badge. Is there an
original one of these badges to be found?
I have seen pictures of the "after market" types which do not have the 100
designation on them, and the colour looks wrong. Do any of you have any
experience with the reproduction? My thought was to add the "100" myself
and make it work. Again, any experience with this issue?
Can you also recommend a North American source of repair for the clock? I
would like to replace the works with a modern set which will be more
reliable.
My final current quest is for the small trim bits which fit between the
lights and bumper on the front edge of the fenders to mark the colour
changes on a two tone car.
Thank you,
Glen Lucas
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: August 29, 2009 11:10 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6B grill
Hi Peter,
I have many, many instrument clusters for P6B (an a few for P6, as far
as that goes) plus many individual instruments. When you say "three
piece grill" are you talking about the two grill halves plus the big
plastic center emblem? I can probably supply those as well, though the
center emblem may not be perfect. You can use P6 grill halves, but the
P6B ones have painted recesses. Does the car have Icelert wiring? Do
you need the sensor box?
Roverly,
Kent K.
From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 30 11:43:39 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:43:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Hello Kent! need a part!
In-Reply-To: <4A9952BD.8090602@att.net>
Message-ID: <745254.83938.qm@web83002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hello Kent ,
I hope all is well!
?
I sent you the P5 parts for trade?last year and now I'm in desperate need of a P6 1967 LHD?TC brake reservoir cap as mine broke apart with age!
?
The one on my SC broke too! I tried to remove it to use it, now I need two?
?
Do you have one or two, if not do you know where or what replacement I can get as I am about to?do a 1000 mile vintage rally on the 12th of Sept.
?
Many thanks!
Peter Holbrook
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sun Aug 30 13:55:57 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 60
In-Reply-To: <mailman.76.1251590634.26200.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.76.1251590634.26200.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT105-W30BC4CD9387D179625E3DD8EF30@phx.gbl>
The brake fluid cap on my 1966 Rover 2000 TC broke also. Previously I had purchased the later style plastic brake fluid Reservior that is used in the later models. These will work and may be more readily available. I think that they may be used on the SD1s also, as well as the 3500, which have 2 of these reservoirs. But be aware that they make it a little tricky to put on the air filter housing. You would need to make a bracket to install it. I made one out a piece of right angle that was part of some old shelves. It had holes drilled in it already, which matched up pretty well. So I just painted it back, and installed the reservoir on it. If needed I can send you a photo. Use a hose clamp on the hose that goes to the pipe. I had to cut off the flared end, and remove the nut. Install the hose that goes between the all plastic reservoir, and the pipe, and clamp it on. I have had no problems with this arrangement. Just you will need to get the newer type of reservoir for this solution. The newer type is plastic, so you can see through it and not have to take off the top which is nice when you check the fluid.
I know that Austin Healey 3000's run the same pads as Rover 2000.
Have a look on page 12 of the following link:
http://www.healeysurgeons.com/healey.pdf
The top looks the same as the earlier type, so it might be a good idea to send this guy a photo and some measurements. He only wants 6 dollars for a brake fluid reservoir cap. Let us know how you get on. I have only seen the caps on the earlier metal containers the need replacing, so an alterative source would be good to know of.
James.
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake reservoir cap broke for
> 1967 LHD TC P6 replacement needed?
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Message-ID: <213381.47585.qm at web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Hello all, Still preping/repairing my car!
> ?
> Does anyone know what I can buy locally?to replace this cap as it just broke on removal and is no good, is there any other British car that has the same? maybe a MK2 jag? etc.
> ?
> Cheers,
> Peter Holbrook
>
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 30 14:27:19 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] brake res cap!
In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W30BC4CD9387D179625E3DD8EF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <982828.99487.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Thanks James,
I have now broken the cap on my 64 P6 also, so I have been hunting around I may well have to do the mod you suggest, many thanks for your prompt response,
Cheers,
Peter
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From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 60
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 10:55 AM
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The brake fluid cap on my 1966 Rover 2000 TC broke also. Previously I had purchased the later style plastic brake fluid Reservior that is used in the later models. These will work and may be more readily available. I think that they may be used on the SD1s also, as well as the 3500, which have 2 of these reservoirs.? But be aware that they make it a little tricky to put on the air filter housing. You would need to make a bracket to install it. I made one out a piece of right angle that was part of some old shelves. It had holes drilled in it already, which matched up pretty well. So I just painted it back, and installed the reservoir on it. If needed I can send you a photo. Use a hose clamp on the hose that goes to the pipe. I had to cut off the flared end, and remove the nut. Install the hose that goes between the all plastic reservoir, and the pipe, and clamp it on. I have had no problems with this arrangement. Just you will need to get the newer type
of reservoir for this solution. The newer type is plastic, so you can see through it and not have to take off the top which is nice when you check the fluid.
I know that? Austin Healey 3000's run the same pads as Rover 2000.
Have a look on page 12 of the following link:
?
http://www.healeysurgeons.com/healey.pdf
The top looks the same as the earlier type, so it might be a good idea to send this guy a photo and some measurements. He only wants 6 dollars for a brake fluid reservoir cap. Let us know how you get on. I have only seen the caps on the earlier metal containers the need replacing, so an alterative source would be good to know of.
James.
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Brake reservoir cap broke for
> 1967 LHD TC P6 replacement needed?
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Message-ID: <213381.47585.qm at web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello all, Still preping/repairing my car!
> ?
> Does anyone know what I can buy locally?to replace this cap as it just broke on removal and is no good, is there any other British car that has the same? maybe a MK2 jag? etc.
> ?
> Cheers,
> Peter Holbrook
>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Sun Aug 30 18:14:53 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:14:53 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2000 brake pads
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HR Holdens use the same front pads as a 2000.
They used to be a Kmart item!
PVS
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From dmesmg at juno.com Sun Aug 30 21:32:26 2009
From: dmesmg at juno.com (dmesmg at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:32:26 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] engine #
Message-ID: <20090830.213227.3372.3.dmesmg@juno.com>
Dennis,
Did you locate the serial no. for your engine yet? There are 2 small
flats just above the bellhousing on the block (one on the LH side, one on
the RH side) essentially in line but lower and behind the cylinder heads.
The LH flat is where the number is supposed to be on an early Rover V8
such as yours. If the engine is an original for a Federal 3500S, then
the number will *likely* start out 4300....
If it were a later engine such as a 1980 SD1 engine or even later Range
Rover (etc) then the number would be stamped on the flat of the engine
block adjacent to the oil dip stick tube located about the middle of the
LH side. (An SD1 might start out 10A or 13A...).
And, if it is a Buick or Olds version of this engine, then the number
would be on the RH cylinder head on the front face. You are welcome to
e-mail me offline if you need to decipher a Buick or Olds ##s.
Best regards,
Dan Suter
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Sun Aug 30 21:42:48 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:42:48 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] engine #
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Thanks Dan...my engine is the original and I will try to see if I can find it where you indicated ..I looked pretty close but apparently I did miss it...the book does not seem too clear about the exact location (IMO)
Thanks again :)
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:32:26 -0400
> From: dmesmg at juno.com
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] engine #
>
> Dennis,
> Did you locate the serial no. for your engine yet? There are 2 small
> flats just above the bellhousing on the block (one on the LH side, one on
> the RH side) essentially in line but lower and behind the cylinder heads.
> The LH flat is where the number is supposed to be on an early Rover V8
> such as yours. If the engine is an original for a Federal 3500S, then
> the number will *likely* start out 4300....
>
> If it were a later engine such as a 1980 SD1 engine or even later Range
> Rover (etc) then the number would be stamped on the flat of the engine
> block adjacent to the oil dip stick tube located about the middle of the
> LH side. (An SD1 might start out 10A or 13A...).
>
> And, if it is a Buick or Olds version of this engine, then the number
> would be on the RH cylinder head on the front face. You are welcome to
> e-mail me offline if you need to decipher a Buick or Olds ##s.
>
> Best regards,
> Dan Suter
>
>
>
>
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 31 23:56:54 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] gear lever came loose problem?
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Gents,
Today was the final straw with?the Rover TC.
?
I have been testing it driving on Mt Diablo, leaving the mountain I made a shift, and the gear lever came out completely!
?
I tried to put it back in and it dropped through the mechanism, I fiddled and by holding the base I got second gear and drove home?all the way in second?
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Tomorrow I will investigate?
?
Any ideas/info will be appreciated?
?
Cheers,
Peter Holbrook
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