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From flemna at yahoo.ca Wed Jul 1 00:34:43 2009
From: flemna at yahoo.ca (Fred Lemna)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 (Mark III) Front Suspension
Adjustments
Message-ID: <289278.36010.qm@web38505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Has anyone gone through the process of getting proper camber specs through
adjusting the torsion bars on the Mark III which has different front end adjustment specs
than previous P5s...(BW 35 rather than DG unit in this model) so that the front end feels
firmly "planted" on the road.
Regards
Fred
Chilliwack...home of more than a fair share of P5s for the region...
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From Paul.Smith at transend.com.au Wed Jul 1 00:39:38 2009
From: Paul.Smith at transend.com.au (Paul Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:39:38 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 (Mark III) Front
Suspension Adjustments
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Are you having any steering or braking problems?
Castor is a much bigger player in that case.
My frontend experience is with P4s and P6s, so how the lower arms are setup and where adjustment is best made are not things I know.
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 (Mark III) Front Suspension Adjustments
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Has anyone gone through the process of getting proper camber specs through
adjusting the torsion bars on the Mark III which has different front end adjustment specs
than previous P5s...(BW 35 rather than DG unit in this model) so that the front end feels
firmly "planted" on the road.
Regards
Fred
Chilliwack...home of more than a fair share of P5s for the region...
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From lafbery at telus.net Wed Jul 1 00:53:01 2009
From: lafbery at telus.net (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:53:01 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 16
In-Reply-To: <76BCAF8E80BFAC4BAD58AD4F30A20572A78652@serverqv1.qv.local>
References: <7CC8BBB1DD4245418A5CF03C61AD0E12@DirkPC2><30C16185FA7B43329347BA83CA3FEB7A@qv.local>
<76BCAF8E80BFAC4BAD58AD4F30A20572A78652@serverqv1.qv.local>
Message-ID: <77DCDCC6B06B4465B43C3B7A94D560D6@ChloePC>
Hi Leigh,
Many thanks for letting us know it was not you who bought the
Rover 16.
I guess we will have to live in suspense, hoping the auctioneer gets back to
Dirk with info. on who did buy it. Just hope it doesn't get hot rodded.
Barry
P2
P3
P5
>
> The P2Per's did not buy. We have way too many Rovers for common cents.
>
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
> On Behalf Of Barry & Shirley Lafbery
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:30 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 16
>
> Hi Dirk,
> I also bid up to $5000 and the auctioneer also told me that
> he thought it went to some one local so you could be right about the
> Peking to Paris couple. I think Eric may have a contact email for them.
> I am almost certain that that is the car a friend of mine and an ex RCCC
> member Ted Evans (passed away a few years ago) bought from the UK with
> him and his family. They came by ship and landed at Montreal and drove
> across Canada to Edmonton in 1964. When they moved to BC he sold the car
> to a neighbour and told me many times how he regretted selling the car.
> He wrote quite a story about the trip in the Roverview back in the 90s.
>
> Barry
>>
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>> I put a bid up to $5000 but the car sold for $8500. I spoke to the
>> auctioneer who is a good guy and he promised to email me the contact
>> details of the buyers. He did tell me they were from Edmonton and a
>> husband and wife team which makes me wonder if it was the Peking to
>> Paris couple who drove the Rover 12.
>>
>> I will keep you posted
>>
>> Dirk
>>
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>>
>> 1. Re: 3500 S Has Gotta go.. (Dennis Brooks)
>> 2. 1939 Rover 16 (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
>> 3. Peripheral pictures (Magnet)
>> 4. Peripheral pictures - corrected link (Magnet)
>> 5. Re: Peripheral pictures - corrected link (Glen Wilson)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:20:44 -0300
>> From: Dennis Brooks <goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
>> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Message-ID: <COL114-W210111E8A446F73EC95DAEDE300 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>>
>> The car is in waterford New Brunswick , Canada...just outside of the
>> town of Sussex..
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:33:17 -0700
>> From: rovertcv8 at yahoo.com
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Morning,
>> Where are you located?
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Dennis Brooks <goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com>
>> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:23:21 AM
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
>>
>>
>>
>> Due to lack of storage room I have to part with my "rolling" 3500s
>> parts/spares car...it is actually restorable and has been sitting in a
>> shelter for the past 4 years or so...I am more interested in seeing it
>
>> find
>> a good home than the $$$ ...so any offer could be considered
> reasonable
>> but
>> this car needs to be towed or flat bed ...and it must be quite soon.
>> I also am in possesion of a LOT of good spare parts like doors /water
>> pumps
>> /dashes/ etc...that I will sell very reasonably.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:26:49 -0700
>> From: "Barry & Shirley Lafbery" <lafbery at telus.net>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1939 Rover 16
>> To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Message-ID: <314FA17A5E894AB7B825DD89423267C6 at ChloePC>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> OK guys,
>> Own up, who bought the 1939 Rover 16 from the Edmonton
> auction.
>> I bid several thousand dollars and still did not get it.
>> I would have loved to have that car as I know it's history from when a
>> friend of mine bought it with him when he emigrated to Canada in 1964
> and
>> how it carried him and his family across Canada to Edmonton.
>> He would have loved to know it was still around but he passed away a
> few
>> years ago.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:04:13 -0400
>> From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Peripheral pictures
>> To: ROVERNET <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP68FAC074376A32660D7F8C91310 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I'm in two minds about posting these pictures -- they don't relate
>> directly
>> to Rovers, as I took them on the way to and from Dirk's famous event
> in
>> Fitchburg.
>>
>> But on the assumption that Rovers don't exist in a vacuum, and that
> most
>> Rover aficionados will be at least somewhat interested in other things
>> technical and historical, here they are:
>>
>> http://www.roverclub.org/ra09/ra09pics1.htm
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -- Bill D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:08:59 -0400
>> From: Magnet <magnet at roverclub.org>
>> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Peripheral pictures - corrected
>> link
>> To: ROVERNET <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP6666636A47BFFA7F70BD4B91310 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Sorry about that, it should have been
>>
>> http://www.roverclub.org/ra09/ra09pics3.htm
>>
>>
>> -- Bill D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:25:40 -0400
>> From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Peripheral pictures -
>> corrected link
>> To: magnet at roverclub.org, "The original list for Rover car
>> enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Message-ID: <4A496994.1080000 at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>>
>> Magnet wrote:
>>> Sorry about that, it should have been
>>>
>>> http://www.roverclub.org/ra09/ra09pics3.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Bill D.
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> These were of interest to me because Rouses Point and Bellows Falls
> were
>> major places on the old Rutland Railway. The main route of the
> railroad
>> ran
>> from Bellows Falls north to Rouses Point by way of several bridges and
>> causeways crossing Lake Champlain. From Rouses Point, it struck out
> almost
>> due west to Ogdensburg, NY where it terminated on the St.
>> Lawrence. You must have pretty well paralleled this route on your way
> from
>> Toronto to Fitchburg. Here are a couple of maps.
>>
>> http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/system.htm
>>
>> The Rutland has long been an interest of mine. It was a very
> picturesque
>> old
>> road with passenger and milk train operations going through a number
> of
>> lovely little towns. Over the years, the railroad had to survive hard
>> times
>> and floods to continue operating. I have several books about the
> Rutland
>> and
>> have amassed a pretty good collection of H.O.scale model railroad
>> equipment
>> for that road name.
>>
>> Thanks for the pics.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>>
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From Pjemail at aol.com Wed Jul 1 03:10:45 2009
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 03:10:45 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
Message-ID: <d49.4b871392.377c65f5@aol.com>
Dear Eric,
Thanks for the kind offer. Unfortunately Vancouver is very unlikely to be
on the itinerary this time.
Regards,
Pierre
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 1 06:04:14 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:04:14 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
References: <COL114-W61139A379FBFF9E5919B48DE300@phx.gbl><COL114-W244A823254F43399CCAE22DE310@phx.gbl>
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Hi Dennis
The word is out, keep your fingers crossed someone may take you up on your offer. I must confess I was interested myself, but unfortunately I'm awaiting to have both hips replaced so more projects for me are out.
Best of luck
Ben.
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 08:04:50 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:04:50 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP379A5EF2B9B33DC753F768952E0@phx.gbl>
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Thanks Ben...I don't like to part ways with her either but I have little sensible choice..
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:04:14 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
Hi Dennis
The word is out, keep your fingers crossed someone may take you up on your offer. I must confess I was interested myself, but unfortunately I'm awaiting to have both hips replaced so more projects for me are out.
Best of luck
Ben.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 1 08:17:52 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:17:52 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
References: <COL114-W61139A379FBFF9E5919B48DE300@phx.gbl><COL114-W244A823254F43399CCAE22DE310@phx.gbl><BLU0-SMTP926784B41CB1FEF9EDBAD7952E0@phx.gbl><COL114-W10CFDAE0FC80D0E1E4CF48DE2E0@phx.gbl>
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Hi Dennis
I have already had a bite from an Islander, Danny Tweel he has a couple of MGB's and is interested in the engine. I'll keep you informed.
Ben
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 08:20:36 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:20:36 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
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Thanks again :)
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:17:52 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
Hi Dennis
I have already had a bite from an Islander, Danny Tweel he has a couple of MGB's and is interested in the engine. I'll keep you informed.
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From mark.brown.rover at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 08:56:40 2009
From: mark.brown.rover at gmail.com (Mark Brown)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:56:40 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
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Dennis,
What degree of "restorable" are we talking here (ie. a bit of paint &
some mechanical work, or barely a speck of unrusted metal)? Chances
are extremely thin that either way I'd be able to take it on,
especially since I'm getting married on Saturday and she may not
consider a big hunk of rust the most charming gift! :-)
On the plus side, though, I am just down the road in Hampton, and I
work in a warehouse that already has a few cars and tons of tools in
it, owned by a car crazy boss.........
Additionally, I know of a man in West Saint John who tinkers with cars
regularly, and he picked up a project P6B from St. Andrews a year or
two ago. He may also be interested for parts.
Cheers,
Mark Brown
On 1-Jul-09, at 9:20 AM, Dennis Brooks wrote:
>
> Thanks again :)
> From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:17:52 -0300
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
>
> Hi Dennis
> I have already had a bite from an Islander, Danny Tweel
> he has a couple of MGB's and is interested in the engine. I'll keep
> you informed.
> Ben
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From kkinard at att.net Wed Jul 1 09:12:22 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 12, Issue 49
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Hi Warren,
Sounds like the bracket that holds the shifter has come loose from the
floor pan (or, alternatively, from the bell housing). Let me know what
you find. ...very curious.
Roverly,
Kent K.
G. Warren Smith wrote:
> Kent,
>
> USPS should be fine. Include an address and I'll remit the $10 +
> shipping upon receipt.
>
> Friday, I got my other 1970 3500S (Brigade Red) back from a major
> tune-up and fixing the AC (for the first time in 20 years). When
> returned, the gear shift wouldn't go into "Park" and all the other
> gears were one off from the dial plate. Yesterday, I drove it
> (carefully) to fill it with gas and the gear shift lever became
> disengaged and dropped down a couple of inches. By some fiddling
> around, I got it into a forward gear and, holding the shift lever up,
> I was able to make it home. Took the center console apart and can't
> find any missing bolts or anything "obviously" wrong. I guess I'll
> need to have it towed to the mechanic and have it looked at from
> underneath. Any idea what happened?
>
> Thanks again for your help! Gaskets are more easily made than lenses.
>
> Warren
>
>
>> From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:39:59 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Front Flasher Lens
>>
>> Hi Warren,
>> I don't know whether it's the right box or not, but it's definitely
>> the right lens. SAE DP 69 L839 (no gasket though)
>> $10.00 plus shipping. How do you want it sent?
>>
>> Roverly,
>> Kent K.
>>
>> G. Warren Smith wrote:
>>> Thanks, Kent and all who offered to help. You are right; the lens I
>>> need is the one located "below" the bumper. There isn't enough left
>>> of the original lens to see a number, but assuming it is the same as
>>> on the left side, that amber lens is marked "SAE DP 69 L839. It has
>>> a rectangular footprint and an angular face. My parts book lists it
>>> as (probably) #606648.
>>> Kent, I'm not in a great rush and a new one would be great, if
>>> available. Let me know the particulars. Best regards to all,
>>>
>>> Warren
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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 09:24:42 2009
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 06:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 (Mark III) Front Suspension
Adjustments
Message-ID: <239062.83787.qm@web180511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Caster isn't the only setting for stability. Alot of the time, jus the toe-in is off which can cause the car to have a "tippy" feeling while steering. If the car "wanders", the caster is off, if the steering feels overreactive, check the toe setting. Good luck.
?
roland
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Fred Lemna <flemna at yahoo.ca> wrote:
From: Fred Lemna <flemna at yahoo.ca>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 (Mark III) Front Suspension Adjustments
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:34 PM
Has anyone gone through the process of getting proper camber specs through
adjusting the torsion bars on the Mark III which has different front end adjustment specs
than previous P5s...(BW 35 rather than DG unit in this model) so that the front end feels
firmly "planted" on the road.
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 1 12:14:33 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:14:33 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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BEN RODGERS wrote:
> Hi Dennis
> The word is out, keep your fingers crossed someone may
> take you up on your offer. I must confess I was interested myself, but
> unfortunately I'm awaiting to have both hips replaced so more projects
> for me are out.
> Best of luck
> Ben.
Ben,
This operation is best accomplished by unfastening the rear end and
dropping it completely down in order to obtain easy access to the point
where the primary repairs are needed. Give it a good lube while you have
it where it is easy to work on, and don't forget to renew all of the seals.
It seems all that paddling around in tiny coracles has finally caught up
with you!
Hope things go well for you. Hip replacement surgery often makes a huge
change for the better when you've had problems. You'll be pushing broken
Rovers around Prince Edward Island again in no time!
Glen
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 12:22:14 2009
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:22:14 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1948 Rover 75 P3 for sale
Message-ID: <BAY119-W348363E1DC01555405BE19DE2E0@phx.gbl>
Hi
1.... Reluctantly i am putting my 1948 Rover 75 P3 (4 light sport saloon)up for sale........My back problems are not going to let me take on fixing the car........It is presently in storage and while i want to continue with it i must downsize as i can't afford to keep paying storage for it and doing nothing with it.........The body is excellent ..new running boards.....chrome is good.....interior is clean with custom seat covers on the front seats and new carpet (non original of course).rear seat is original but ok....Missing rear seat side armrests......glass is good ......car has new shocks on the front .......the only thing with the body is something hit the roof at the rear drivers side and was repaired with body filler i think, years back and has since cracked.............The car is running( albeit rough right now) and the gearbox is good.............the engine needs a new head gasket (which i have) and i think maybe that a valve is burnt ...........the other issue is the body has a lean at the back so the springs will need rearched....The front end had newer springs put in with the new shocks.........The lights all work except brake lights...the trafficators work perfectly....
I will take the first offer over $6750.00 CND Pictures available off forum ........This will make someone a very fine driving car with a little more time and work
Reluctantly
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 1 13:17:08 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:17:08 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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Hi Glen
Its probably because of pushing all those old Rovers around that I now need my hips replaced!! and you are correct its a bit like working on the rear brakes of a TC.
Regards Ben
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:28:54 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:28:54 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
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I robbed a few parts around the steering..removed the dome (but have a spare for it...it rolls and is not at all a rusty car...it was driven here about 5 yrs ago and is parked inside...
I live west saint john as well....please forward his name and # or give him mine...506-214-4999
Thanks..:)
From: mark.brown.rover at gmail.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:56:40 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
Dennis,
What degree of "restorable" are we talking here (ie. a bit of paint & some mechanical work, or barely a speck of unrusted metal)? Chances are extremely thin that either way I'd be able to take it on, especially since I'm getting married on Saturday and she may not consider a big hunk of rust the most charming gift! :-)
On the plus side, though, I am just down the road in Hampton, and I work in a warehouse that already has a few cars and tons of tools in it, owned by a car crazy boss.........
Additionally, I know of a man in West Saint John who tinkers with cars regularly, and he picked up a project P6B from St. Andrews a year or two ago. He may also be interested for parts.
Cheers,
Mark Brown
On 1-Jul-09, at 9:20 AM, Dennis Brooks wrote:
Thanks again :)
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:17:52 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
Hi Dennis
I have already had a bite from an Islander, Danny Tweel he has a couple of MGB's and is interested in the engine. I'll keep you informed.
Ben
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Wed Jul 1 13:56:23 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:56:23 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] SD-1 wheels and 3500S wheel covers and
engine heads
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Whilst we are all trading hip joints and wheels (Good Luck, Ben - it is a
routine, safe operation) I would like to downsize and sell:
* 4 mag wheels for an SD-1 with the centerpieces.
* Also a set of hub caps for a 3500S.
* Heads for a 3500S engine. Worked fine when I removed them to replace
with the larger-valved SD-1 heads.
* All located in Portland OR.
AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of garrett bourque
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:15 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Magstar lug nuts
Hello Rovernetters,
If anybody could use one, I also have one Magstar wheel for sale. It is
in ok condition and can be refinished to suit. Use as a matching spare or
replace a damaged one. No tire included. Let me know if you are
interested. Garrett Bourque Jefferson, Maine gbbourque at hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:09:14 -0500
> From: kkinard at att.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Magstar lug nuts
>
> Hi Netters,
> Someone at Fitchburg was looking for Magstar lug nuts. I have ten new
> ones and also at least as many good used.
>
> Roverly,
> Kent K.
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 1 14:20:07 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:20:07 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
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Ben good luck with the ujoint operation mate! Peter
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:17:52
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 S Has Gotta go..
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From lingfield51 at btinternet.com Wed Jul 1 15:24:53 2009
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (JULIET KEILER)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:24:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
Message-ID: <841560.32212.qm@web86008.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
This is worrying, tales of 'project' cars being offered for sale inspiring liked minded souls to downsize their parts not to mention 'medical' probelms. Is this the Continent (see how I side-stepped the US/Canadian?divide-good huh)?that dumped tea in Boston harbour and put a man on the moon?? :)
Seriously though best wishes Ben for your op and remember hospitals and?operations are a rich source of material for an author...... Trolley and Me perhaps...... :) :)
All the best
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Wed Jul 1 16:56:17 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:56:17 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
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Hi Alan
You are very funny 'Trolley & Me' indeed, you must think I'm past it! How about the 'Nurses & Me' Seriously thank you for the kind wishes, I'm still waiting for a surgery date probably late in the year. In the meantime I'm doing my level best to save Rovers from the crusher and all I ever did in Boston was throw a used tea bag overboard.
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 18:21:58 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Hotmail)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 18:21:58 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
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Hey Ben,
Why bother with surgeons? Just fit two P6 lower ball joints and be
done with it. :-)
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Smart Design
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Suite 1820
New York
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On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:56 PM, "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Hi Alan
> You are very funny 'Trolley & Me' indeed, you must think
> I'm past it! How about the 'Nurses & Me' Seriously thank you for the
> kind wishes, I'm still waiting for a surgery date probably late in
> the year. In the meantime I'm doing my level best to save Rovers
> from the crusher and all I ever did in Boston was throw a used tea
> bag overboard.
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From veetwinrider at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 18:27:15 2009
From: veetwinrider at yahoo.com (roland)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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Ben, just had a 53 year old co-worker come back from his hip operation. He's wondering now why he waited so long. He's very happy he did it and rides his bike to work for therapy. Good luck Ben.
?
roland
--- On Wed, 7/1/09, BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 10:17 AM
Hi Glen
????????? Its probably because of pushing all those old Rovers around that I now need my hips replaced!! and you are correct its a bit like working on the rear brakes of a TC.
????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Regards Ben
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:30:00 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
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Yes, they are adjustable for wear. Knock back lockring, unscrew the retainer, clean, regrease, tighten, lock.
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Hey Ben,
Why bother with surgeons? Just fit two P6 lower ball joints and be done with it. :-)
Steven Dibdin
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On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:56 PM, "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca<mailto:irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>> wrote:
Hi Alan
You are very funny 'Trolley & Me' indeed, you must think I'm past it! How about the 'Nurses & Me' Seriously thank you for the kind wishes, I'm still waiting for a surgery date probably late in the year. In the meantime I'm doing my level best to save Rovers from the crusher and all I ever did in Boston was throw a used tea bag overboard.
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From Paul.Smith at transend.com.au Wed Jul 1 18:33:03 2009
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:33:03 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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Riding a bike is good for all the leg joints (if you don't stress the knee by riding too high a gear).
Contrary to popular opinion joints do not wear out from use, they mainly wear out from bearing too much weight. Arthritic conditions are a common factor too, and they may often be diet related.
As a distance runner and cyclist I stay up with research on this.
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of roland
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Ben, just had a 53 year old co-worker come back from his hip operation. He's wondering now why he waited so long. He's very happy he did it and rides his bike to work for therapy. Good luck Ben.
roland
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 10:17 AM
Hi Glen
Its probably because of pushing all those old Rovers around that I now need my hips replaced!! and you are correct its a bit like working on the rear brakes of a TC.
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 19:16:06 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
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Steven,
You're in the business. Make him a few.......... nylon perhaps? :-)
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> From: Hotmail <sdibdin at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Car sales and body woes
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Cc: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Received: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 3:21 PM
> Hey Ben,
> Why bother with surgeons? Just fit two P6 lower
> ball joints and be done with it. :-)
>
> Steven DibdinDesign Prototyping
> ManagerSmart Design601 w26
> StSuite 1820New YorkNY
> 10001eMail Steven.Dibdin at smartdesignworldwide.comCell:
> 862.684.1166
> On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:56 PM, "BEN RODGERS" <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Alan
> ????????
> You are very funny 'Trolley & Me' indeed, you
> must think I'm past it! How
> about the 'Nurses & Me' Seriously thank you for
> the kind wishes, I'm still
> waiting for a surgery date probably late in the year. In
> the meantime I'm doing
> my level best to save Rovers from the crusher and all I
> ever did in Boston was
> throw a used tea bag overboard.
> ?????????
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From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:38:57 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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You guys are hilarious!! By the way I do have a bicycle, its a 1973 Triumph 3 speed. Medication is a small sip of Irish (BlackBush) once a day or as needed to control pain. And hips or not I rebuilt the rear brake calipers a couple of weeks ago. Now everything works again including the hand brake and the Rover is back on the road.
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Wed Jul 1 20:48:05 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
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Hi Ben,
Good luck w/the operations - will be thinking of you.
Regards,
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:17:08 PM
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Hi Glen
Its probably
because of pushing all those old Rovers around that I now need my hips
replaced!! and you are correct its a bit like working on the rear brakes of a
TC.
Regards Ben
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From slatskars at comcast.net Thu Jul 2 00:45:49 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 04:45:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
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Pierre,
Similar offer for the Portland, OR area. We are just 20 minutes from the Portland airport.
Slats
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Dear Eric,
Thanks for the kind offer. Unfortunately Vancouver is very unlikely to be on the itinerary this time.
Regards,
Pierre
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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 05:03:35 +0000 (UTC)
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Ben,
Does this mean that the rolling walk was not from those days at sea with the RN? Good luck with the surgery, have had friends have it with great sucess.
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Jul 2 05:24:24 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:24:24 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Ben's hips...
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Good luck from Italy Ben!
I am sure everything will be okay.
By the way, I also have bikes, a 1954 Bianchi, black and heavy, and two legnano, a 1982 blu city bike had as new, a present from my father, and another blu mountain bike, maybe the first one produced by us.
to end, there is a yellow Motobecane, a 15 v bike bought as a bargain in 1998,symbolic price.
On sunday I made 25 km on the bike ways ( they' re the roads for the bikes nearby normal roads or in the country, is it correct? ) here in rome, on monday - it was holiday, st. John and Paul - I made again 25 km to go till the end of the bike way and 25 to come back.
On the way I met a man who told me he makes more or less 3500 km a year, but used to do 5000.
He is german, he has been living in rome since 1995 and he told me he is a friar, but on sundays he makes some 100 km also on mountains roads.
He also had an operation and now everything is ok, so be confident!
I know an old lawyer here in rome, he is 85 or more and is a former 100 mt relay race champion.
He told me this kind of relay race does not exist any more, it was 1946.
he had bot hips operated and he goes around on feet, he looks like a boy and he is very active, he' s a politician.
It is common nowadays.
best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
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Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di BEN RODGERS
Inviato: gioved? 2 luglio 2009 1.39
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ben's hips...
You guys are hilarious!! By the way I do have a bicycle, its a 1973 Triumph 3 speed. Medication is a small sip of Irish (BlackBush) once a day or as needed to control pain. And hips or not I rebuilt the rear brake calipers a couple of weeks ago. Now everything works again including the hand brake and the Rover is back on the road.
Regards Ben (irishrover)
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From Pjemail at aol.com Thu Jul 2 06:22:52 2009
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 06:22:52 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
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Thanks for the offer. Maybe we could meet up. The kind offer of a bed is
very welcome, but we will be staying with relatives in Astoria and our
journey to there will be a long drive from somewhere in Idaho I think, so no time
to stop over (and I have a wife and two daughters with me!).
Regards,
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Thu Jul 2 06:27:00 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 07:27:00 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Ben's hips...
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Hi Gianluca
Thanks for the encouragement and the interesting bike info. I must confess I don't ride mine alot, just like having it and usually take with the Rover to car shows. When people ask I often them I have the bike to ride home on in the unlikely event that the Rover should break down. The triumph is fitted with a Sturmey Archer Three Speed hub and has what we called as boys, caliper brakes. Most bikes in the early fifties had rod brakes. I still keep my eyes out for a Raleigh from the fifities, my favourite bike but one we could never afford back then. When I began high school I got a brand new Hercules that I rode around the Isle of Wight in one day (approx 100 miles) Those were the days!!!
Regards Ben (irishrover)
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Thu Jul 2 13:35:22 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:35:22 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and boot
lid cover?
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Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
AvMedSafe
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 15:08:25 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:08:25 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
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I suspect that you will have to cut the bonnet lining from stock
material to fit. The first question is are you after originality or
cleanliness?
My main objection to the original fiber material is that it soaks up
miscellaneaous splashes and doesn't let them go easily, while modern
linings like Dynamat with an aluminium foil face can be wiped down now
and again. the reflective surface provides slighly more light when you
work in the engine bay. You can get Dynamat without the metallic
facing - I think it's called Dynaliner and comes in avarity of
thicknesses
If you want reasonable originality then I think you need the treated
fiber material. Woolies
(http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/t-contact.aspx) have something
suitable and I think Scott's Old Auto Rubber in Oz does as well. I am
sure someone in the US must have something similar but I haven't found
a source yet
As far as the boot lining is concerned the only source I know of is JR
Wadham. Given the size and probable cost of shipping a made up unit
you might like to consider making one out of millboard and fitting it
yourself
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Geff McCarthy<geffandjulie at comcast.net> wrote:
> Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
>
>
>
> AvMedSafe
>
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
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>
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From kkinard at att.net Thu Jul 2 16:05:00 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:05:00 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
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Hi Geff,
When you say "boot lid cover" do you mean the hardura on the underside
of the boot lid?
Kent K.
Geff McCarthy wrote:
>
> Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
>
>
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From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:19:48 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
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For heat and sound stopping material, look on my eBay store at item # 120408310759. One buyer said "It makes Dynamat look like tissue paper" This absolutely blocks sound, and happens to do the same for heat.. I believe it has lead in it, as it weighs one pound per square foot. It is designed for motor yachts, but buyers have used it for many uses. It is an upgrade; not original looking; but nothing compares. You will need 2 sheets; you may buy it from my ad. Thank you, James Dean
----- Original Message -----
From: Geff McCarthy
To: 'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and bootlid cover?
Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
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From slatskars at comcast.net Fri Jul 3 02:05:02 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:05:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
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Geff,
Moss carries the under hood insulation for MGB's I know. They also have similar material in a more bulk form that you trim to fit. You might take measurements and give them a call regarding other makes that might fit or would have enough material to trim, Jaguar?
Slats
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and boot lid cover?
Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
AvMedSafe
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Fri Jul 3 10:25:59 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:25:59 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-TR7-Sports-Car-year-1978_W0QQitemZ17034781
7525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27a9856a35&_trksid=p3286.
c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C30
1%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Dear friends, any ideas or advices?
I could be interested, but I read this.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1
658040,00.html
Is it realistic?
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 13:31:57 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:31:57 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
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The TR7 wasn't a badly designed car, but like the SD1 was very badly
screwed together by a disinterested workforce using parts from
suppliers who had the same workforce issues. One that has been looked
after should have most of the manufacturing faults ironed out now, but
may have developed some that are simply due to old age - the problems
will basically akin to those of the series one SD1 with a few extra
TR7 quirks.
There are good ones out there, but I'd think I'd rather hunt up well
looked after TR6 and drive that
> Dear friends, any ideas or advices?
>
> I could be interested, but I read this.
>
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1658040,00.html
From kkinard at att.net Fri Jul 3 14:06:11 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:06:11 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
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Hi Gianluca,
I will echo Aidrian's observations. The best TR7's are the last ones.
There is a significant improvement in the electrical systems on 1980 and
later cars. Rust is a problem. 1981(and '80 California) cars had fuel
injection similar to 4CU system on Australian, NAS SD1 (and Vitesse/VDP
EFI) and had excellent fuel economy. They are spacious and comfortable
compared to earlier TR's and simpler to work on. Oh yes, they also
handle better! They are also extremely crashworthy (I walked away from
a 70kph frontal impact). My ideal would be a 1980 with SU carbs instead
of the Zenith-Strombergs we got over here. Most North American cars
came with air conditioning which works very well. Avoid early Speke
built cars. They are the worst of the lot. Convertible is actually
stiffer than Coupe. I have had two TR7's and four TR8's. The
architecture is very similar to the SD1 and a few of the parts will
interchange (transmission, diff gears).
Triumphantly,
Kent K.
VP and Events Chairman
South Texas Triumph Association
(but I wear a Rover shirt to the club meetings!)
gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-TR7-Sports-Car-year-1978_W0QQitemZ170347817525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27a9856a35&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-TR7-Sports-Car-year-1978_W0QQitemZ170347817525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27a9856a35&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50>
>
> Dear friends, any ideas or advices?
>
> I could be interested, but I read this.
>
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1658040,00.html
>
> Is it realistic?
>
> Best regards,Gianluca.
>
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Fri Jul 3 14:20:52 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:20:52 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <4A4E4893.4030906@att.net>
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Dear Aidrian, dear Kent,
thanks for the messages!
Dear Kent, you' re a Tr7 knight, it is incredible.
I'll have a look , only to know, at these 1978 ones.
The seller - who is a girl waiting for her first baby - told me thy' re ok, and that she sells them for this reason only.
The yellow one needs to be re - sealed.
There could be a frend intersted in buying the second one, to buy the couple.
Please any specific further question to ask to be sure?
Best regards , happy 4th of July.
Hear you on Monday, I'm leaving!
Ciao, Gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Kent Kinard
Inviato: venerd? 3 luglio 2009 20.06
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
Hi Gianluca,
I will echo Aidrian's observations. The best TR7's are the last ones.
There is a significant improvement in the electrical systems on 1980 and later cars. Rust is a problem. 1981(and '80 California) cars had fuel injection similar to 4CU system on Australian, NAS SD1 (and Vitesse/VDP
EFI) and had excellent fuel economy. They are spacious and comfortable compared to earlier TR's and simpler to work on. Oh yes, they also handle better! They are also extremely crashworthy (I walked away from a 70kph frontal impact). My ideal would be a 1980 with SU carbs instead of the Zenith-Strombergs we got over here. Most North American cars
came with air conditioning which works very well. Avoid early Speke
built cars. They are the worst of the lot. Convertible is actually stiffer than Coupe. I have had two TR7's and four TR8's. The architecture is very similar to the SD1 and a few of the parts will interchange (transmission, diff gears).
Triumphantly,
Kent K.
VP and Events Chairman
South Texas Triumph Association
(but I wear a Rover shirt to the club meetings!)
gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-TR7-Sports-Car-year-1978_W0QQitemZ170347
> 817525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27a9856a35&_trksid=p3
> 286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A131
> 8%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
> <http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-TR7-Sports-Car-year-1978_W0QQitemZ17034
> 7817525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item27a9856a35&_trksid=p
> 3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1683%7C240%3A13
> 18%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50>
>
> Dear friends, any ideas or advices?
>
> I could be interested, but I read this.
>
> http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533
> _1658040,00.html
>
> Is it realistic?
>
> Best regards,Gianluca.
>
>
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Fri Jul 3 15:01:37 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:01:37 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
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Yes, the underside of the boot lid, hardura is a brand name, I assume.
AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Kent Kinard
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:05 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
Hi Geff,
When you say "boot lid cover" do you mean the hardura on the underside
of the boot lid?
Kent K.
Geff McCarthy wrote:
>
> Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
>
>
>
> AvMedSafe
>
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>
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>
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Fri Jul 3 15:03:16 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket
and boot lid cover?
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I have a foil-faced blanket now, but it is very heavy, and difficult to glue
onto the bonnet. I may just put it back in. Thanks to all!
AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:08 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet blanket and
boot lid cover?
I suspect that you will have to cut the bonnet lining from stock
material to fit. The first question is are you after originality or
cleanliness?
My main objection to the original fiber material is that it soaks up
miscellaneaous splashes and doesn't let them go easily, while modern
linings like Dynamat with an aluminium foil face can be wiped down now
and again. the reflective surface provides slighly more light when you
work in the engine bay. You can get Dynamat without the metallic
facing - I think it's called Dynaliner and comes in avarity of
thicknesses
If you want reasonable originality then I think you need the treated
fiber material. Woolies
(http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/t-contact.aspx) have something
suitable and I think Scott's Old Auto Rubber in Oz does as well. I am
sure someone in the US must have something similar but I haven't found
a source yet
As far as the boot lining is concerned the only source I know of is JR
Wadham. Given the size and probable cost of shipping a made up unit
you might like to consider making one out of millboard and fitting it
yourself
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Geff McCarthy<geffandjulie at comcast.net>
wrote:
> Any ideas on where to buy, or substitutes? My car is otherwise complete.
>
>
>
> AvMedSafe
>
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>
> 677 NW Melinda Ave
>
> Portland OR 97210
>
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>
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 3 15:12:52 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:12:52 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet
blanketand boot lid cover?
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Hi Geof
When you say foil backed cover do you mean the silver type of
foil and does it face down toward the engine? If so that type of reflective
insulation sends the heat back down onto the engine and in my opinion is not
the best suited product for the job.
regards Ben (irishrover)
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Fri Jul 3 17:22:56 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Hotmail)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:22:56 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Triumph TR7 on ebay
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I ran two TR7s when I was younger. Both were much better than you'd
expect. One was a '80 Canley built one the second a very late Solihull
built one. The first ones (with the single bump on the bonnet) were
built in Speke near Liverpool. This one of the centers of radical
union boss 'Red Robbo' and strikes, disgruntlment and believe it or
not sabotage on the vey cars they were building did a lot of damage to
the 7's reputation. Cars from Canley and Solihull were much better
built.
The second car I owned I setup for track days. The two litre engine in
UK form was reasonably powerful compared to the asthmatic US models
with strombergs. You could get more out of them fairly easily with a
bit of work. I learnt a lot about suspension gemetry design with mine
and fixed an issue with brake dive at the front along with other bits.
They were designed for the American market (we needed the bucks) so
were never meant to be soft tops because it was expected that
convertables would be banned in the US during their development
period. They were pretty safe, they had side impact bars in the doors
and more spot welds than any other BL car of the time including the
SD1! but they did do the normal Triumph thng of rusting before your
eyes. Get a good one however and you can have a lot of fun with paying
big bucks.
Cheers,
Steven
From slatskars at comcast.net Fri Jul 3 23:36:43 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:36:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] NADA 3500S underbonnet
blanketand boot lid cover?
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Ben,
It does however, protect the paint on the hood as does any insulating blanket. There should be sufficent airflow to mminimze any effect on the engine heat.
Slats
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From rovercar at comcast.net Sun Jul 5 11:27:40 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] BBC NEWS | Business | Fraud probe into
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8134981.stm
From immy.jean at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 01:06:10 2009
From: immy.jean at gmail.com (Phimchai (Immy) Konsila)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:06:10 +1200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Oil Filter for P5
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Hello Gordon
I was surfing the net and came across your help request. I understand
that you are having difficulty in trying to locate oil filter elements
for the P5 Rover.
I have series one land rovers, and have been able to get them here in
New Zealand. Try "Ryco R296P" as this is a direct cross ref to Fram
CH853PL. Ryco is an Aussie filter company, and they have a very good
website. Maybe Ryco can supply you direct. Fram still make the CH853PL
filter, and are available through Super Cheap Auto here and in Aussie.
Yes, I am in New Zealand if you are wondering.
Cheers,hope this helps you a bit
Simon Henderson
From jaguru at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 6 15:26:21 2009
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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References: <mailman.39.1245780543.13910.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Message-ID: <8AD8DBBA1FB346A5BBBB5F8539C143AD@JamesDeanPC1>
I need a right outer sill for P6 2000/3500S. Does anyone have one? Please contact me jaguru at bellsouth.net Thank you, James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
----- Original Message -----
From: James Radcliffe
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 fuses.
I found this good guide on Lucas fuses:
http://www.tr6web.com/Documents/tr6/fusecolors.html
The colour coding may be useful if you find some new old stock, or have some unknown parts.
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From gbbourque at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:53:17 2009
From: gbbourque at hotmail.com (garrett bourque)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:53:17 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Oil Filter for P5
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Hello Gordon and other rovernetters,
A 60s Jaguar Mark2, Mark 10 or 60s 3.8Stype sedan or a 3.4Stype sedan use the same filter element. Contact XJs Unlimited in San Luis Obispo, California, or find a classic Jaguar specialist local to you. XJs number is 18004445247. He should be able to find you all of them that you need. They are available in felt, as original, or paper types.
Good Luck!
Garrett Bourque
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:06:10 +1200
> From: immy.jean at gmail.com
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Oil Filter for P5
>
> Hello Gordon
>
> I was surfing the net and came across your help request. I understand
> that you are having difficulty in trying to locate oil filter elements
> for the P5 Rover.
>
> I have series one land rovers, and have been able to get them here in
> New Zealand. Try "Ryco R296P" as this is a direct cross ref to Fram
> CH853PL. Ryco is an Aussie filter company, and they have a very good
> website. Maybe Ryco can supply you direct. Fram still make the CH853PL
> filter, and are available through Super Cheap Auto here and in Aussie.
> Yes, I am in New Zealand if you are wondering.
>
> Cheers,hope this helps you a bit
>
> Simon Henderson
>
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 6 13:41:06 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and lights
questions, rats!
Message-ID: <460867.4276.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hello Gentlemen,
I have a few questions again!
?
Any input is welcome! as I still still learning about the P6.
?
Please be patient as I try to explain in laymans terms!?
?
I am not trying to restore this car, just make it useable within my financial constraints.
?
I have started driving the TC as often as possible and?really enjoy?the car.
?
it seems to have a clunking noise from the front, so I jacked up the car and took a look.
?
I am concerned if the steering is too?loose to complete the 900 mile vintage road?rally I want to take it on.
?
If you move the front wheels by holding the top and bottom?you get a little play and clunking,?it seems to be looseness in the general linkage and looseness in the vertical?part that looks like a shock, everything looks?undamaged to me an amateur.
?
My question is can I removed the split pins and tighten the castle nuts to take out the looseness.
?
The various?points where the various?linkages connect seems?lacking grease,?the boots are intact, should I grease every and all points of?movement and what grease do you suggest, this car was left in a barn for years and was previously?often driven on a very rough dirt road to and from its home.
?
Final question electrical related?
?
If I turn on the side lights they work fine all around the car,?
?
I turn on the head lights on low beam they work fine but the front side lights go off is this correct?.
?
If I turn on the full beam head lights,
I get the two right headlights only, no front side lights or left head lights?and all the rear tail lightswork fine?
?
I will point out this car had rats in the engine compartment with a nice cosy?nest on the right side of the dash back where the wiring loom enters through the dash?and they did chew a couple of wires and hoses but I think I have got that all repaired now!
?
Cheers, to everyone in advance,
?
Peter Holbrook
Walnut Creek California.
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From vern at inkspotco.com Mon Jul 6 14:03:20 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:03:20 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and lights
questions, rats!
In-Reply-To: <460867.4276.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <856BCC14-2F46-4403-9BDC-C395DDDB3603@inkspotco.com>
It sounds like you have a lower ball joint that is worn. The only
solution is to replace it (early ones could be adjusted in a pinch,
but usually not worth it) but a special puller is required, plus a new
ball joint of course. It could be the upper as well. Nothing can be
greased, BTW.
It is possible that you have a loose or cracked steering damper as
well, it sits on the right hand side of the car in the same location
as the steering box on the left. Commonly loose, and will make a clunk
when you drive.
The side lights should go out when the headlight are on on a NADA car.
The high beam problem sounds like either wires put back together wrong
or broken wires.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Jul-09, at 10:41 AM, pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Hello Gentlemen,
> I have a few questions again!
>
> Any input is welcome! as I still still learning about the P6.
>
> Please be patient as I try to explain in laymans terms!
>
> I am not trying to restore this car, just make it useable within my
> financial constraints.
>
> I have started driving the TC as often as possible and really enjoy
> the car.
>
> it seems to have a clunking noise from the front, so I jacked up the
> car and took a look.
>
> I am concerned if the steering is too loose to complete the 900 mile
> vintage road rally I want to take it on.
>
> If you move the front wheels by holding the top and bottom you get a
> little play and clunking, it seems to be looseness in the general
> linkage and looseness in the vertical part that looks like a shock,
> everything looks undamaged to me an amateur.
>
> My question is can I removed the split pins and tighten the castle
> nuts to take out the looseness.
>
> The various points where the various linkages connect seems lacking
> grease, the boots are intact, should I grease every and all points
> of movement and what grease do you suggest, this car was left in a
> barn for years and was previously often driven on a very rough dirt
> road to and from its home.
>
> Final question electrical related?
>
> If I turn on the side lights they work fine all around the car,
>
> I turn on the head lights on low beam they work fine but the front
> side lights go off is this correct?.
>
> If I turn on the full beam head lights,
> I get the two right headlights only, no front side lights or left
> head lights and all the rear tail lightswork fine?
>
> I will point out this car had rats in the engine compartment with a
> nice cosy nest on the right side of the dash back where the wiring
> loom enters through the dash and they did chew a couple of wires and
> hoses but I think I have got that all repaired now!
>
> Cheers, to everyone in advance,
>
> Peter Holbrook
> Walnut Creek California.
>
>
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From cfreeberg at juno.com Mon Jul 6 15:12:12 2009
From: cfreeberg at juno.com (carlin h freeberg)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:12:12 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
Message-ID: <20090706.123320.876.0.cfreeberg@juno.com>
I have a P6 carcas readying for recycling. Can you let me know more
precisely what "sill" is?
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From vern at inkspotco.com Mon Jul 6 15:42:07 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:42:07 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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The outer panel below the doors on each side is the outer sill. It has
the holes for the jacking points that are plugged with the rubber plugs.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Jul-09, at 12:12 PM, carlin h freeberg wrote:
> I have a P6 carcas readying for recycling. Can you let me know more
> precisely what "sill" is?
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From david at davidwalter.net Mon Jul 6 17:03:44 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and
lightsquestions, rats!
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Message-ID: <0C3D5A277C544346B751E79BF82DA0ED@DavidVista>
Peter,
I suggest you check the ball joints upper and lower by jacking the front up and push/pull on the wheel, if it is the ball joints you might even see the wobble at the joints !
You might be lucky and have the adjustable type, remove the rubber boot covering the joint clean off the dirt and check to see if there is a thread visible and 2 sides on the housing peened over, if so it is adjustable. To adjust them you will need to remove the assembly off the suspension, bend back the peened over bits, unscrew the retaining screw clean the whole thing repack it with fresh grease and do the retaining ring up very tight and peen over again.
This is done with no cost (other than grease) and they will last longer than some replacement ball joints.
Vern is right there are no greasing points and do check the steering damper.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Vern Klukas
To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and lightsquestions, rats!
It sounds like you have a lower ball joint that is worn. The only solution is to replace it (early ones could be adjusted in a pinch, but usually not worth it) but a special puller is required, plus a new ball joint of course. It could be the upper as well. Nothing can be greased, BTW.
It is possible that you have a loose or cracked steering damper as well, it sits on the right hand side of the car in the same location as the steering box on the left. Commonly loose, and will make a clunk when you drive.
The side lights should go out when the headlight are on on a NADA car.
The high beam problem sounds like either wires put back together wrong or broken wires.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Jul-09, at 10:41 AM, pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hello Gentlemen,
I have a few questions again!
Any input is welcome! as I still still learning about the P6.
Please be patient as I try to explain in laymans terms!
I am not trying to restore this car, just make it useable within my financial constraints.
I have started driving the TC as often as possible and really enjoy the car.
it seems to have a clunking noise from the front, so I jacked up the car and took a look.
I am concerned if the steering is too loose to complete the 900 mile vintage road rally I want to take it on.
If you move the front wheels by holding the top and bottom you get a little play and clunking, it seems to be looseness in the general linkage and looseness in the vertical part that looks like a shock, everything looks undamaged to me an amateur.
My question is can I removed the split pins and tighten the castle nuts to take out the looseness.
The various points where the various linkages connect seems lacking grease, the boots are intact, should I grease every and all points of movement and what grease do you suggest, this car was left in a barn for years and was previously often driven on a very rough dirt road to and from its home.
Final question electrical related?
If I turn on the side lights they work fine all around the car,
I turn on the head lights on low beam they work fine but the front side lights go off is this correct?.
If I turn on the full beam head lights,
I get the two right headlights only, no front side lights or left head lights and all the rear tail lightswork fine?
I will point out this car had rats in the engine compartment with a nice cosy nest on the right side of the dash back where the wiring loom enters through the dash and they did chew a couple of wires and hoses but I think I have got that all repaired now!
Cheers, to everyone in advance,
Peter Holbrook
Walnut Creek California.
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From lafbery at telus.net Mon Jul 6 17:04:14 2009
From: lafbery at telus.net (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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>
> I have a P6 carcas readying for recycling. Can you let me know more
> precisely what "sill" is?
Sill = Rocker Panel
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 6 17:42:37 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:42:37 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Paint colour code request
Message-ID: <6D8EE23EF49C4309BE7A5EA9329DAB44@SN037535920331>
Hi All
Does anyone have the paint code for 'RACING RED' used on Rover P6 North American spec from June 1966 to July 1968.
Your help is appreciated with this request.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
editor at p6club.com
Club line 01902 689975
Mobile 078 333 48030
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Jul 6 18:21:04 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Paint colour code request
Message-ID: <524541.67592.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Mark,
Here is info from PPG paint. Do you need more detail than this?
Eric
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Description Start Year End Year Usage: Body
RACING RED 1970 1971
Multitone? No
Manufacturer Code B0374
Brand Code ARGB0374
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--- On Mon, 7/6/09, p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Paint colour code request
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Received: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:42 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All
> Does anyone have the paint
> code for 'RACING RED'
> used on Rover P6 North American spec from June 1966 to July
> 1968.
> Your help is appreciated
> with this
> request.
> Speak Soon
> Warmest regards
> Mark
> ?
> Mark Gray
> Editor, Driving Force
> The Rover P6
> Club
> www.p6club.com
> editor at p6club.com
> Club line 01902
> 689975
> Mobile 078 333 48030
> ?
> Club Display prize winners
> at The Classic Car and
> Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008
> Winners of the Best Club Display Award
> at the? National Restoration Show 2006.
> Winners of the Best Club Display
> at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington
> 2007
> Club Display
> prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October
> 2007
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 20:55:13 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:55:13 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
In-Reply-To: <8AD8DBBA1FB346A5BBBB5F8539C143AD@JamesDeanPC1>
References: <mailman.39.1245780543.13910.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
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Hi James;
I have a set of fiberglass ones if you are interested...however I have no idea as to what they are worth so I'll let you make a fair offer...
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:26:21 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
I need a right outer sill for P6 2000/3500S. Does anyone have one? Please contact me jaguru at bellsouth.net Thank you, James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale
----- Original Message -----
From: James Radcliffe
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 2:26 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P5 fuses.
I found this good guide on Lucas fuses:
http://www.tr6web.com/Documents/tr6/fusecolors.html
The colour coding may be useful if you find some new old stock, or have some unknown parts.
James.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Jul 6 21:05:51 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:05:51 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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Hi Dennis
Any luck finding a new owner for the P6B??
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From kkinard at att.net Mon Jul 6 21:56:42 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:56:42 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Paint colour code request
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Hi Mark,
The original ICI mixing formula for Racing Red 6954 is as follows:
9948 71%
9923 20%
9900 1%
9901RT 8%
Do you know someone in the club who might like to correspond with me
about my Triplex glass roof. I have some questions about the installation.
Roverly,
Kent Kinard
San Antonio, Texas
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Hi All
> Does anyone have the paint code for 'RACING RED' used on Rover P6
> North American spec from June 1966 to July 1968.
> Your help is appreciated with this request.
> Speak Soon
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From agale at iinet.net.au Tue Jul 7 03:34:32 2009
From: agale at iinet.net.au (Alan Gale)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:34:32 +0800
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Vintage valve springs - help please
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Rover netters:
The rebuild of my 1925 4 litre Crossley engine is nearly completed, but we
have hit a snag with the valve springs.
Everything else is done, but a friend who had his similarly sized Sunbeam
engine rebuilt to the same specs found it revved much harder, faster and
easier than the original specs and he hit valve bounce with great ease. It
also seemed a false economy not to replace the 84 year old springs when all
else has been re-fettled.
Apparently we cannot find suitable spring wire thicker than 3mm and less
than 3.5mm in Australia. Tho I find this hard to believe.
So in the hope that my Crossley Coracle can paddle again ... any clues?
By the way there is an old pic of my car here:
the wwws, crossley-motors.org.uk/Gallery/today19_6.html
Rovercrosslifiedly,
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From michael.maher at virgin.net Tue Jul 7 05:55:46 2009
From: michael.maher at virgin.net (Mike Maher)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:55:46 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Vintage valve springs - help please
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What is the specification - are there any more modern valve springs that
might help before going to the expense of having new ones wound?
regards
Mike Maher
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Vintage valve springs - help please
> Rover netters:
> The rebuild of my 1925 4 litre Crossley engine is nearly completed, but we
> have hit a snag with the valve springs.
> Everything else is done, but a friend who had his similarly sized Sunbeam
> engine rebuilt to the same specs found it revved much harder, faster and
> easier than the original specs and he hit valve bounce with great ease.
> It
> also seemed a false economy not to replace the 84 year old springs when
> all
> else has been re-fettled.
> Apparently we cannot find suitable spring wire thicker than 3mm and less
> than 3.5mm in Australia. Tho I find this hard to believe.
> So in the hope that my Crossley Coracle can paddle again ... any clues?
> By the way there is an old pic of my car here:
> the wwws, crossley-motors.org.uk/Gallery/today19_6.html
>
> Rovercrosslifiedly,
> Alan Gale
> Western Australia
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From peterhut at melbpc.org.au Tue Jul 7 07:27:33 2009
From: peterhut at melbpc.org.au (Peter Huttemeier)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:27:33 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Vintage valve springs - help please
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:34:32 +0800, you wrote:
>Rover netters:
>The rebuild of my 1925 4 litre Crossley engine is nearly completed, but we
>have hit a snag with the valve springs.
Alan,
have you tried Crankshaft Rebuilders in Melbourne? When the RCCA
visited there early this year, they had engines of many old cars in
the workshop. They are set up to virtually make anything from scratch
to do with heads and crankshafts.
Other alt is the Healey Factory, and Vintage Restorations?
Cheers,
Peter H
From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 08:52:32 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:52:32 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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Yes Ben ...I think a fellow from west saint John will be picking her up with the intent to restore her once more :)
Thanks for you assistance ..hope to visit sometime soon...shall see what the weather brings...
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:05:51 -0300
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
Hi Dennis
Any luck finding a new owner for the P6B??
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From jaguru at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 7 13:49:01 2009
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net (James Dean)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:49:01 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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You have fiberglass sills for rover P6? Where are you? Thank you, James Dean
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Tue Jul 7 12:37:16 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:37:16 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
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I am in New Brunswick Canada..I think I have a pic of them ...I will look for it as well..
From: jaguru at bellsouth.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:49:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Need right outer sill for P6
You have fiberglass sills for rover P6? Where are you? Thank you, James Dean
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From Paul.Smith at transend.com.au Mon Jul 6 18:44:30 2009
From: Paul.Smith at transend.com.au (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:44:30 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and
lights questions, rats!
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I'd agree with lower ball joint.
You can make the puller from a pipe section, weld a flat on it with a hole, cut part of the cylindrical base away and use the existing ball joint nut to pull it out after removing the snap ring.
Early ones are then readily dismantled, regreased and tightened.
They really need a lightweight press to go fully back in though.
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To: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Steering 67 TC LHD and lights questions, rats!
It sounds like you have a lower ball joint that is worn. The only solution is to replace it (early ones could be adjusted in a pinch, but usually not worth it) but a special puller is required, plus a new ball joint of course. It could be the upper as well. Nothing can be greased, BTW.
It is possible that you have a loose or cracked steering damper as well, it sits on the right hand side of the car in the same location as the steering box on the left. Commonly loose, and will make a clunk when you drive.
The side lights should go out when the headlight are on on a NADA car.
The high beam problem sounds like either wires put back together wrong or broken wires.
Yours
Vern
On 6-Jul-09, at 10:41 AM, pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net<mailto:pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello Gentlemen,
I have a few questions again!
Any input is welcome! as I still still learning about the P6.
Please be patient as I try to explain in laymans terms!
I am not trying to restore this car, just make it useable within my financial constraints.
I have started driving the TC as often as possible and really enjoy the car.
it seems to have a clunking noise from the front, so I jacked up the car and took a look.
I am concerned if the steering is too loose to complete the 900 mile vintage road rally I want to take it on.
If you move the front wheels by holding the top and bottom you get a little play and clunking, it seems to be looseness in the general linkage and looseness in the vertical part that looks like a shock, everything looks undamaged to me an amateur.
My question is can I removed the split pins and tighten the castle nuts to take out the looseness.
The various points where the various linkages connect seems lacking grease, the boots are intact, should I grease every and all points of movement and what grease do you suggest, this car was left in a barn for years and was previously often driven on a very rough dirt road to and from its home.
Final question electrical related?
If I turn on the side lights they work fine all around the car,
I turn on the head lights on low beam they work fine but the front side lights go off is this correct?.
If I turn on the full beam head lights,
I get the two right headlights only, no front side lights or left head lights and all the rear tail lightswork fine?
I will point out this car had rats in the engine compartment with a nice cosy nest on the right side of the dash back where the wiring loom enters through the dash and they did chew a couple of wires and hoses but I think I have got that all repaired now!
Cheers, to everyone in advance,
Peter Holbrook
Walnut Creek California.
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:39:20 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
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From vern at inkspotco.com Wed Jul 8 09:12:28 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 06:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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Yes, hone the cylinder. The other hot tip is, when bleeding the
clutch, leave the slave cylinder unattached from the bell housing so
you can point the bleed screw skyward. The snap ring in the cylinder
will prevent the piston from coming out, and bleeding will be much
easier.
Yours
Vern
On 8-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, James Radcliffe wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday.
> Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So
> I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without
> the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change
> without the clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake
> fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled
> the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it.
> Should l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a
> little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I
> bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> James.
>
>
>
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From gjkzscruggs at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 09:14:27 2009
From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net (Scruggs Family)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:14:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch slave cylinder
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Regarding this post...
"My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully
there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first
gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was
impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid,
and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave
cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly
hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside?
Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was
$10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
James."
Although honing should smooth the ID it will also increase the ID and likely
reduce the time until the next rebuild. Short term though it is a viable
solution. Ideally one should send your cylinder to White Post Restorations,
in VA, for a new brass sleeve and rebuild...
http://www.whitepost.com/brake.html Regardless how you rebuild the
cylinder I recommend isolating it from the constant slipstream of dust and
grit. Sacrifice a plastic bottle by making the appropriate cuts and secure
it around your new cylinder. Make a long slice down the side so the clutch
lever can move freely. Coat the inside of the bottle with grease to trap
any grit that may blow inside. I secured mine to the slave cylinder with a
worm gear clamp but heavy tie wraps will certainly work. In the late 70s,
while living in Florida, I was having to rebuild my TC's clutch cylinder
about every 18 months but after adding the bottle the next rebuild was ten
years later. Good luck.
Gross Scruggs
Annapolis MD
From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Wed Jul 8 09:28:21 2009
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:28:21 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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James,
I concur with Gross' recommendation to have the cylinder sleeved, so you
don't have to worry about repeating your Kmart experience. I am not as
big a fan of White Post, partly because there are other sleevers who do
just the sleeve and leave you to put in the kit -- they typically charge
$40 to $60 per cylinder and most sleeve in stainless. I have had good
luck with Mark Frappier in Agawam, MA. I'll find his contact info
tonight -- I owe this info to someone else too...
Good to meet you at Rove America,
--Steve Manwell
James Radcliffe wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday.
> Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I
> put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the
> clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without
> the clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake
> fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the
> slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l
> lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little
> rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two
> as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
>
> James.
>
>
>
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 11:23:17 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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I agree. I leave the slave cylinder laying on the garage floor with the flexible line attached as I bleed the clutch after a slave re and re.
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> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:12 AM
> Yes, hone the cylinder. The other
> hot tip is, when bleeding the clutch, leave the slave
> cylinder unattached from the bell housing so you can point
> the bleed screw skyward. The snap ring in the cylinder will
> prevent the piston from coming out, and bleeding will be
> much easier.
> YoursVern
> On 8-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, James Radcliffe
> wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart
> yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between
> K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it
> in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was
> impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the
> clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was
> leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have
> removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to
> put a seal kit through it.? Should l lightly hone the
> interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough
> inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought
> two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> James.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:39:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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I have also had great success using the screwdriver through the rod method as shown in early workshop manuals. This seems to prevent the piston going anywhere near it's full travel and so you just really bleed the pipe and the first 10mm of cylinder...works for me. :)
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 4:23:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
I agree. I leave the slave cylinder laying on the garage floor with the flexible line attached as I bleed the clutch after a slave re and re.
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--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:12 AM
> Yes, hone the cylinder. The other
> hot tip is, when bleeding the clutch, leave the slave
> cylinder unattached from the bell housing so you can point
> the bleed screw skyward. The snap ring in the cylinder will
> prevent the piston from coming out, and bleeding will be
> much easier.
> YoursVern
> On 8-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, James Radcliffe
> wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart
> yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between
> K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it
> in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was
> impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the
> clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was
> leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have
> removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to
> put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly hone the
> interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough
> inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought
> two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> James.
>
>
>
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From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Jul 8 12:42:37 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:42:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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I had such extreme difficulty trying to bleed a clutch on an old 66 Mercedes 200D?that I finally went to a brake shop and rented a pressure can and bled it backwards.
Slats
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Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 6:12:28 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
Yes, hone the cylinder. The other hot tip is, when bleeding the clutch, leave the slave cylinder unattached from the bell housing so you can point the bleed screw skyward. The snap ring in the cylinder will prevent the piston from coming out, and bleeding will be much easier.
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 8 13:03:47 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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James,
I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My
experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to find
parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a gold mine
for things like P6 shocks for a while.
Glen
Radcliffe wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday.
> Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I
> put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the
> clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without
> the clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake
> fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the
> slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l
> lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little
> rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two
> as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
>
> James.
>
>
>
>
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From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 15:39:50 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:50 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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You shouldn't have a problem with this item: this cylinder was a standard fitment on millions of Brit cars of the day - from Land Rovers to Austins.
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:03:47 -0400
From: rovercar at comcast.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
James,
I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to find parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a gold mine for things like P6 shocks for a while.
Glen
Radcliffe wrote:
My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
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From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:42:09 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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As I remember you can use the same bore clutch slave from an MG Midget/ A-H Sprite for this. I think they go for around $30- from the MG stores.
From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 15:43:21 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:43:21 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch slave cylinder
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This is an excellent idea. Used it in Africa on Land Rovers. Works a treat.
> From: gjkzscruggs at verizon.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:14:27 -0400
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Clutch slave cylinder
>
>
>
> Regarding this post...
>
>
> "My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully
> there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first
> gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was
> impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid,
> and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave
> cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly
> hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside?
> Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was
> $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
>
> James."
>
>
> Although honing should smooth the ID it will also increase the ID and likely
> reduce the time until the next rebuild. Short term though it is a viable
> solution. Ideally one should send your cylinder to White Post Restorations,
> in VA, for a new brass sleeve and rebuild...
> http://www.whitepost.com/brake.html Regardless how you rebuild the
> cylinder I recommend isolating it from the constant slipstream of dust and
> grit. Sacrifice a plastic bottle by making the appropriate cuts and secure
> it around your new cylinder. Make a long slice down the side so the clutch
> lever can move freely. Coat the inside of the bottle with grease to trap
> any grit that may blow inside. I secured mine to the slave cylinder with a
> worm gear clamp but heavy tie wraps will certainly work. In the late 70s,
> while living in Florida, I was having to rebuild my TC's clutch cylinder
> about every 18 months but after adding the bottle the next rebuild was ten
> years later. Good luck.
>
> Gross Scruggs
> Annapolis MD
>
>
>
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From: Paul.Smith at transend.com.au (Paul Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:48:01 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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I have found the shot is to lay it on the cam cover so the bubbles in the rather thick pipe can float to it. Once bled, lower it.
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Vern Klukas
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
Yes, hone the cylinder. The other hot tip is, when bleeding the clutch, leave the slave cylinder unattached from the bell housing so you can point the bleed screw skyward. The snap ring in the cylinder will prevent the piston from coming out, and bleeding will be much easier.
Yours
Vern
On 8-Jul-09, at 5:39 AM, James Radcliffe wrote:
My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 19:41:49 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:41:49 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rock Auto, and parts in common to MG's.
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> James,
>
> I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My
> experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to find
> parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a gold mine
> for things like P6 shocks for a while.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> You shouldn't have a problem with this item: this cylinder was a standard fitment on millions of Brit cars of the day - from Land Rovers to Austins.
>
>
Rock auto shipped the part the next day. I think the partsamerica website was quite misleading in the way you describe Glen. Anyway the partsamerica website no longer exists. The rockauto website said that they had 7 left. I cross referenced the part numbers to MG's and I think one type of Jaguars and they also said they had 7 left of the same part number. It now says they have 5 left. I have wondered how accurate these numbers are about how many they actually have left sometimes, as for more common parts like brake pads for a Hyundai Elantra have similar messages on it, and I would of thought that there would be a high turnover of those pads.
Sometimes I have had luck looking parts up on the beckcatalog.com site, getting the part number, then calling up a local NAPA and asking them to order it. If the parts guys has and SAE certification for parts interpreting, then they can be very helpfull at tracking stuff down. It kind of depends on their attitude in many cases.
Another common part I believe is the timing chain tensioner. I have not seen an MGB timing chain tensioner physically yet, but looking at the photo it appears to be idential to the tensioner in a Rover 2000, and can be had for 10 - 15 dollars aftermarket. I did read though (on a few MGB forums) to be carefull that the new tensioner has the proper oilways in it, if they do not you timing gear will only last about 5000 miles. Sometimes they need to be taken to with a drill.
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From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rock Auto,
and parts in common to MG's.
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On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows you
to retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the oil
pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and much
beer.
Yours
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On 8-Jul-09, at 4:41 PM, James Radcliffe wrote:
>
>
> > James,
> >
> > I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My
> > experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to find
> > parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a gold
> mine
> > for things like P6 shocks for a while.
> >
> > Glen
> >
> >
> >
> > You shouldn't have a problem with this item: this cylinder was a
> standard fitment on millions of Brit cars of the day - from Land
> Rovers to Austins.
> >
> >
> Rock auto shipped the part the next day. I think the partsamerica
> website was quite misleading in the way you describe Glen. Anyway
> the partsamerica website no longer exists. The rockauto website said
> that they had 7 left. I cross referenced the part numbers to MG's
> and I think one type of Jaguars and they also said they had 7 left
> of the same part number. It now says they have 5 left. I have
> wondered how accurate these numbers are about how many they actually
> have left sometimes, as for more common parts like brake pads for a
> Hyundai Elantra have similar messages on it, and I would of thought
> that there would be a high turnover of those pads.
>
> Sometimes I have had luck looking parts up on the beckcatalog.com
> site, getting the part number, then calling up a local NAPA and
> asking them to order it. If the parts guys has and SAE
> certification for parts interpreting, then they can be very helpfull
> at tracking stuff down. It kind of depends on their attitude in many
> cases.
>
> Another common part I believe is the timing chain tensioner. I have
> not seen an MGB timing chain tensioner physically yet, but looking
> at the photo it appears to be idential to the tensioner in a Rover
> 2000, and can be had for 10 - 15 dollars aftermarket. I did read
> though (on a few MGB forums) to be carefull that the new tensioner
> has the proper oilways in it, if they do not you timing gear will
> only last about 5000 miles. Sometimes they need to be taken to with
> a drill.
>
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From roverman2 at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 20:19:18 2009
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:19:18 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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Hi James,
I wouldn't bother even trying a kit - I think it will leak or pull
air into the system. I would replace the slave cylinder (I reckon on
only about a 4 to 5 year life in the Northeast US ). Better still,
have the slave cylinder resleeved with stainless steel - that's what
I plan to do with my 2000.
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Richard Sharpe wrote:
> You shouldn't have a problem with this item: this cylinder was a
> standard fitment on millions of Brit cars of the day - from Land
> Rovers to Austins.
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:03:47 -0400
> From: rovercar at comcast.net
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave
> cylinder.
>
> James,
>
> I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My
> experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to
> find parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a
> gold mine for things like P6 shocks for a while.
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>
> Radcliffe wrote:
>
> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday.
> Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So
> I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home
> without the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can
> change without the clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking
> brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and
> dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit
> through it. Should l lightly hone the interior prior to
> reassembling it? It is a little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the
> seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any
> advice or tips would be appreciated.
>
> James.
>
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From: Paul.Smith at transend.com.au (Paul Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:59:46 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
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They are dead easy to rebuild.
I hone and rebuild them, but sleeving in stainless or brass is the way to go.
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Dermot Harvey
Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 10:19 AM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
Hi James,
I wouldn't bother even trying a kit - I think it will leak or pull air into the system. I would replace the slave cylinder (I reckon on only about a 4 to 5 year life in the Northeast US ). Better still, have the slave cylinder resleeved with stainless steel - that's what I plan to do with my 2000.
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Richard Sharpe wrote:
You shouldn't have a problem with this item: this cylinder was a standard fitment on millions of Brit cars of the day - from Land Rovers to Austins.
________________________________
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:03:47 -0400
From: rovercar at comcast.net<mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca<mailto:rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
James,
I'd be interested to hear how Rock Auto handles your order. My experience in the past has been that they list a lot of hard to find parts that they don't actually have. We've thought we had a gold mine for things like P6 shocks for a while.
Glen
Radcliffe wrote:
My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the clutch.
Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
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From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 21:18:26 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:18:26 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:53:00 -0700
> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rock Auto, and parts in common
> to MG's.
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
> close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows you
> to retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
> removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
> with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the oil
> pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
> masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and much
> beer.
>
> Yours
> Vern
I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not cause that in large enough quantites!
Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG tensioners have the plug in the back:
http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over next time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will not be for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I did research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a Reynolds item, like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in the back, which needs a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
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From Paul.Smith at transend.com.au Wed Jul 8 21:32:32 2009
From: Paul.Smith at transend.com.au (Paul Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:32:32 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of James Radcliffe
Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2009 11:18 AM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:53:00 -0700
> From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rock Auto, and parts in common
> to MG's.
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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>
> On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
> close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows you
> to retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
> removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
> with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the oil
> pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
> masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and much
> beer.
>
> Yours
> Vern
I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not cause that in large enough quantites!
Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG tensioners have the plug in the back:
http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over next time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will not be for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I did research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a Reynolds item, like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in the back, which needs a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
James.
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From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
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OK. Will do.
Effective immediately, I presume.
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> > On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the
> Rover part. Very
>
> > close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back
> that allows you
>
> > to retract the tensioner when you are changing timing
> chains or
>
> > removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you
> generally end up
>
> > with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if
> lucky) into the oil
>
> > pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in
> is a real
>
> > masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much
> cursing and much
>
> > beer.
>
> >
>
> > Yours
>
> > Vern
>
>
>
> I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My
> TC has one, and I
> have did manage to put it back in one day without a
> problem. When I had the
> sump off, as well as the head, I put the tensioner back in
> first, and I did
> have to have a few goes at it.
>
> They are a bitch!? Drinking beer may make you feel
> better, but I fear that
> a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not
> cause that in large
> enough quantites!
>
>
>
> Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG
> tensioners have the
> plug in the back:
>
>
>
> http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
>
>
>
> http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
>
>
>
> With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine
> over next time I have
> to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will not be for
> a long time. At
> RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I did research the MG
> tensioner, and
> originally they were a Reynolds item, like on the Rover
> 2000, and did have a plug
> in the back, which needs a 1/8 inch allen key to release
> the tension.
>
>
>
> James.
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From s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu Wed Jul 8 22:25:38 2009
From: s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu (S Manwell)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder. --
stainless sleeving
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Here is the info on the machinist in Agawam, MA that does this:
Mark // the Machinist/. /Mark Frappier, 82 Mountainview Street. Agawam,
MA 01001. 1 ? 800 ? 528 ? 5235
Call for a quote for sleeving your brake or clutch cylinders and for
postage to return them.
--Steve
S Manwell wrote:
> James,
>
> I concur with Gross' recommendation to have the cylinder sleeved, so
> you don't have to worry about repeating your Kmart experience. I am
> not as big a fan of White Post, partly because there are other
> sleevers who do just the sleeve and leave you to put in the kit --
> they typically charge $40 to $60 per cylinder and most sleeve in
> stainless. I have had good luck with Mark Frappier in Agawam, MA.
> I'll find his contact info tonight -- I owe this info to someone else
> too...
>
> Good to meet you at Rove America,
>
> --Steve Manwell
>
> James Radcliffe wrote:
>>
>> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart yesterday.
>> Thankfully there are not stop signs between K-mart and my house. So I
>> put it into first gear, started it in gear, and drove home without
>> the clutch, and was impressed at how well the 2000 box can change
>> without the clutch.
>>
>> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was leaking brake
>> fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have removed and dismantled the
>> slave cylinder, and I am going to put a seal kit through it. Should
>> l lightly hone the interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little
>> rough inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought two
>> as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be appreciated.
>>
>> James.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 22:36:12 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
Message-ID: <279453.53979.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
James,
Here's source when you're back home in OZ:
http://tinyurl.com/mmfqby
Eric
Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website: http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca
--- On Wed, 7/8/09, James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: James Radcliffe <j_radcliffe at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 clutch slave cylinder.
> To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
> Received: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 5:39 AM
>
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> My clutch stopped working when pulling out of K-Mart
> yesterday. Thankfully there are not stop signs between
> K-mart and my house. So I put it into first gear, started it
> in gear, and drove home without the clutch, and was
> impressed at how well the 2000 box can change without the
> clutch.
>
> Upon arriving home I found that the slave cylinder was
> leaking brake fluid, and the reservoir was empty. I have
> removed and dismantled the slave cylinder, and I am going to
> put a seal kit through it.? Should l lightly hone the
> interior prior to reassembling it? It is a little rough
> inside? Rockauto.com had the seal kits for $5.72. I bought
> two as shipping was $10.73. Any advice or tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> James.
>
>
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From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Jul 9 10:08:12 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:08:12 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
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Yes, they are Reynolds tensioners, but I have to disagree about the
retractable version as original for any MG. I have never seen an
tensioner with a plug in any MG engine up to when I stopped working as
a mechanic, nor did we ever get a replacement from the dealer that was
retractable. Retracting the tensioner was not necessary with the
design of the MG engine's timing chain and tensioner.
Yours
Vern
On 8-Jul-09, at 6:18 PM, James Radcliffe wrote:
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 16:53:00 -0700
> > From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rock Auto, and parts in
> common
> > to MG's.
> > To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> > <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> > Message-ID: <9352DD34-20EA-478C-8016-6155FA354139 at inkspotco.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed";
> > DelSp="yes"
> >
> > On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
> > close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows
> you
> > to retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
> > removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
> > with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the oil
> > pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
> > masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and much
> > beer.
> >
> > Yours
> > Vern
>
> I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has
> one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a
> problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the
> tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
> They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I
> fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not
> cause that in large enough quantites!
>
> Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG
> tensioners have the plug in the back:
>
> http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
>
> http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
>
> With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over next
> time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will not be
> for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I did
> research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a Reynolds item,
> like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in the back, which needs
> a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
>
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From phing at videotron.ca Thu Jul 9 10:52:18 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Still " Con fused"
Message-ID: <000001ca00a4$db323e20$9196ba60$@ca>
Hi
I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused by the
arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro vs. US
standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should carry 120
watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the circuit , caused
say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire diameter , etc
sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise because of
the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back streets of
Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro standards etc"
As far as I can see the philosophy behind the design of the
Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a Lucas
35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17 amps , 17 x12=
200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420 watts .
A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating load of
12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a US fuse
of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to fried
wiring.
The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced Lucas fuses ;
or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the terminals of a
Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
Cheers
Patrick
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From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 9 13:26:49 2009
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:56:49 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Still " Con fused"
In-Reply-To: <000001ca00a4$db323e20$9196ba60$@ca>
References: <000001ca00a4$db323e20$9196ba60$@ca>
Message-ID: <4A562859.4010004@ozemail.com.au>
Hi Patrick
Fuses are current operated beasts, so the voltage they are operating at is irrelevant.
A US 10A fuse will have the same melting characteristics as a UK or Oz one, *provided* the fuse elements and construction are the same.
Most automotive wire fuses have a fusing factor of between 1.8 and 2.
That is, a 10A nominally rated automotive fuse will actually melt/"blow" at 18 to 20Amps.
The wiring has a "fiddle factor" built in to it's current rating to handle these overloads.
They also have an inverse time characteristic, where the larger and more rapid the overload, the faster they will operate.
Larger, more expensive mains power, ceramic bodied, High Rupturing Capacity (HRC) fuses have a fusing factor of 1.4 to 1.5.
Fuses designed to protect semiconductor loads often have a fusing factor as low as 1.2, but are usually horrendously expensive.
Wiring usually only gets "fried" when the OEM fuse is replaced by an incorrectly rated unit.
(nail, silver paper etc)
;-)
Cheers
Dave
South Oz
Patrick Hiron wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused by the
> arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro vs. US
> standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should carry 120
> watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the circuit , caused
> say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire diameter , etc
> sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise because of
> the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back streets of
> Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro standards etc"
>
> As far as I can see the philosophy behind the design of the
> Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a Lucas
> 35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17 amps , 17 x12=
> 200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420 watts .
>
> A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating load of
> 12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a US fuse
> of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to fried
> wiring.
>
> The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced Lucas fuses ;
> or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
>
> Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the terminals of a
> Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
From rovercar at comcast.net Thu Jul 9 14:48:58 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Still " Con fused"
In-Reply-To: <4A562859.4010004@ozemail.com.au>
References: <000001ca00a4$db323e20$9196ba60$@ca>
<4A562859.4010004@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <4A563B9A.5050300@comcast.net>
David,
That's all well and good as long as the manufacturer's both use the same
"rules" for the rating number they mark the fuse with. I know we've
handled this topic before, and I remember that you have expertise in
this area, but your post makes it sound as if you can replace a fuse
that's simply labeled as "10 amp" in a Rover wiring diagram with a "10
amp" fuse from the Pep Boys down the road in Peoria. While I don't
remember all of the technical details, the circuit will be "overfused"
with the Pep Boys fuse and could allow for damage to electrical
components before it opens up. Granted, there aren't a lot of sensitive
electronic components in old Rovers. The best advice would be to obtain
some of the (bloody unconventionally labeled) Lucas fuses and use a Pep
Boys fuse with a lower rating until the proper fuse can be obtained.
Additionally, if you got to an electronics store (even Radio Shack) to
buy a "10 amp" fuse, you need to be aware of the voltage rating and
whether it's a slow-blow, fast-blow, or time delayed fuse.
Fuses are rated primarily in terms of current, in terms of beasties,
they are really heat-operated beasts. The elements in automotive fuses
are designed to melt and open the circuit when they reach a certain
temperature. The materials and design are aimed at this happening at a
certain amperage under a certain set of circumstances relating to
surges, time and other factors. It's good to remember that automotive
fuses are not circuits designed to monitor how many amps are flowing in
a circuit and then send out some sort of alarm that opens the circuit.
Automotive fuses are just dumb pieces of metal sitting there waiting to
melt. If the naming conventions are not consistent, you're talking
apples and oranges just as you would be with different octane rating
conventions.
I'm not questioning your expertise, David, but I think it would be easy
to draw the wrong conclusion from the actual wording of your post.
Glen
Read wrote:
> Hi Patrick
> Fuses are current operated beasts, so the voltage they are operating
> at is irrelevant.
> A US 10A fuse will have the same melting characteristics as a UK or Oz
> one, *provided* the fuse elements and construction are the same.
> Most automotive wire fuses have a fusing factor of between 1.8 and 2.
> That is, a 10A nominally rated automotive fuse will actually
> melt/"blow" at 18 to 20Amps.
> The wiring has a "fiddle factor" built in to it's current rating to
> handle these overloads.
> They also have an inverse time characteristic, where the larger and
> more rapid the overload, the faster they will operate.
>
> Larger, more expensive mains power, ceramic bodied, High Rupturing
> Capacity (HRC) fuses have a fusing factor of 1.4 to 1.5.
> Fuses designed to protect semiconductor loads often have a fusing
> factor as low as 1.2, but are usually horrendously expensive.
>
> Wiring usually only gets "fried" when the OEM fuse is replaced by an
> incorrectly rated unit.
> (nail, silver paper etc)
> ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
> South Oz
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>> Hi
>> I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused by the
>> arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro
>> vs. US
>> standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should
>> carry 120
>> watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the circuit ,
>> caused
>> say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire diameter , etc
>> sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise
>> because of
>> the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back
>> streets of
>> Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro
>> standards etc"
>>
>> As far as I can see the philosophy behind the design
>> of the
>> Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a Lucas
>> 35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17 amps ,
>> 17 x12=
>> 200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420
>> watts .
>>
>> A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating
>> load of
>> 12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a US
>> fuse
>> of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to fried
>> wiring.
>>
>> The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced Lucas
>> fuses ;
>> or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
>> Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the
>> terminals of a
>> Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
>>
>> Cheers
>> Patrick
>
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From gofanu at cust.usachoice.net Thu Jul 9 13:36:13 2009
From: gofanu at cust.usachoice.net (Fletcher Millmore)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:36:13 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1247155217.25412.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.5.1247155217.25412.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <4A562A8D.3060102@usachoice.net>
> Quote(s):
>
> Yes, they are Reynolds tensioners, but I have to disagree about the
> retractable version as original for any MG. I have never seen an
> tensioner with a plug in any MG engine up to when I stopped working as
> a mechanic, nor did we ever get a replacement from the dealer that was
> retractable. Retracting the tensioner was not necessary with the
> design of the MG engine's timing chain and tensioner.
>
> Yours
> Vern
>
>>> On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
>>> close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows youto retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
>>> removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
>>> with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the oil
>>> pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
>>> masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and much
>>> beer.
>>>
>>> Yours
>>> Vern
>>>
>> I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has
>> one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a
>> problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the
>> tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
>> They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I
>> fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not
>> cause that in large enough quantites!
>>
>> Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG
>> tensioners have the plug in the back:
>>
>> http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
>>
>> http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
>>
>> With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over next
>> time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will not be
>> for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I did
>> research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a Reynolds item,
>> like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in the back, which needs
>> a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
>>
>> James.
>>
>
With all due respect, I don't know where Vern was an MG mechanic - from
first fitting on the early Magnette until some time in the 18V engine
era c74, all the MG's I ever saw had plugs in the tensioners, just like
Rover, Jaguar, and a bunch of other stuff. The plugs and procedure for
retracting the slipper is in all the appropriate shop manuals, with
pitchures if'n you don't believe it. The 75- on MGB (Bentley reprint of
OE WSM) manual has deleted the retraction procedure and the plug, but
does show you how to reset the innards, identical to the plugged type.
Furthermore, the same bits are still inside the tensioners, so at worst
you take the plug out of your dead one, and drill the new one, thread
appropriately (1/4-28unf), and now you can drop more and smaller pieces
down the works! They just delete the plug to save the cost of the hole
(it is well established that holes cost more than bolts) - and to keep
morons from assembling the engine without the plug - which does cause a
significant internal oil leak and serious chain rattle. I've had engines
come in WO plug! Also, people would not uncommonly attempt to tighten
the chain by forcing the tensioner out with the key - that kills things
fast.
There are some tensioners that are actually different, but they are not
common. There is only one oilway through the face and I believe all of
them have it - that's what lubricates the chain/slipper interface. If it
looks the same other than the plug, it is.
> Hi
>
> I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused by the
> arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro vs. US
> standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should carry 120
> watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the circuit , caused
> say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire diameter , etc
> sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise because of
> the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back streets of
> Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro standards etc"
>
> As far as I can see the philosophy behind the design of the
> Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a Lucas
> 35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17 amps , 17 x12=
> 200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420 watts .
>
What's confusing? You understand what's being done. The common
references to fuse size are shorthand, and what it all means is only in
manufacturers catalogs, and sometimes not there. It always has been in
Lucas catalogs, and for quite a few years Lucas fuses have been marked
"35A, 17.5A continuous" etc. That is far more information than any US
Mfr gives you. Lucas marking means the fuse blows - "fuses" - at the
marked number, what could make more sense? The US numbers mean that
something happens somewhere around the marked number, what and why we
don't know without an EE degree and a pile of documentation. If you
would travel in a strange land, learn the language and respect the natives.
> A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating load of
> 12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a US fuse
> of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to fried
> wiring.\
>
Correct for SOME US fuses, which ones is a good question and can be near
impossible to figure out. Get a Bussman catalog and try to learn that!
In general and without qualifiers, consider the US rating to be
equivalent to the Lucas continuous rating, always half of the marked
number in the case of older Lucas fuses. So you would use a 17.5A US or
more realistically a 20A, for a 35A or 35/17.5 Lucas. A "fast blow" US
35A is roughly a 35A Lucas; aa 12 or 15A "slow blow" US would be about
equiv to 35A Lucas.
Part of the point here is that every rating involves many
approximations, and they are not directly comparable, even for one
manufacturer. The rest of the point is that once you understand the
basics, it's not critical. If you are really worried, start low and go
up until you have the minimum fuse that works in a good circuit.
> The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced Lucas fuses ;
> or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
>
NO, "half size" US fuses. But Lucas or other Brit rated fuses are easily
available from the usual suspects - Moss, British Wiring, etc. for
little more than normal prices. It's not like you need a million fuses.
> Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the terminals of a
> Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
>
They do, but the cover won't fit. Breakers are not great anyway, since
they have significant voltage drops if used at near rated current, and
voltage drops are what we try to eliminate.
FRM
From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 9 18:59:49 2009
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:29:49 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Still " Con fused"
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I agree 100% Glen, that's why I did qualify my post with the words
>> A US 10A fuse will have the same melting characteristics as a UK or Oz
>> one, *provided* the fuse elements and construction are the same.
Here in Oz we have loads of European, American and other electrical equipment from all over the globe, but I don't go shopping in those
countries for *their* fuses, I just note the current rating and physical characteristics, normal fast blow, slo-blo, HRC etc. and buy local.
According to catalogues I have here, the humble 3AG (Automotive Glass) glass tube fuse is good for voltages up to 250V *low energy* circuits.
Just don't use it in high energy applications! ie, Don't replace the HRC fuses in a commercial multimeter with glass low energy types!
Results here .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9jpwGTy66g
A brief fuse primer that agrees with us both is here ...
http://www.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/fuseprmr.pdf
Cheers
Dave
South Oz
Glen Wilson wrote:
> David,
>
> That's all well and good as long as the manufacturer's both use the same
> "rules" for the rating number they mark the fuse with. I know we've
> handled this topic before, and I remember that you have expertise in
> this area, but your post makes it sound as if you can replace a fuse
> that's simply labeled as "10 amp" in a Rover wiring diagram with a "10
> amp" fuse from the Pep Boys down the road in Peoria. While I don't
> remember all of the technical details, the circuit will be "overfused"
> with the Pep Boys fuse and could allow for damage to electrical
> components before it opens up. Granted, there aren't a lot of sensitive
> electronic components in old Rovers. The best advice would be to obtain
> some of the (bloody unconventionally labeled) Lucas fuses and use a Pep
> Boys fuse with a lower rating until the proper fuse can be obtained.
>
> Additionally, if you got to an electronics store (even Radio Shack) to
> buy a "10 amp" fuse, you need to be aware of the voltage rating and
> whether it's a slow-blow, fast-blow, or time delayed fuse.
<snip>
From roverman2 at verizon.net Thu Jul 9 19:28:10 2009
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:28:10 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <4A562A8D.3060102@usachoice.net>
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Hi Group,
I don't think the original Reynolds tensioners are available anymore,
alas. Last time I ordered them from England, maybe 8 years ago, they
were the 'MGB' type. I think they even came in BL boxes, but I can't
be sure as I am away from my parts stock
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
>
>> Quote(s):
>>
>> Yes, they are Reynolds tensioners, but I have to disagree about
>> the retractable version as original for any MG. I have never seen
>> an tensioner with a plug in any MG engine up to when I stopped
>> working as a mechanic, nor did we ever get a replacement from the
>> dealer that was retractable. Retracting the tensioner was not
>> necessary with the design of the MG engine's timing chain and
>> tensioner.
>>
>> Yours
>> Vern
>>
>>>> On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
>>>> close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that
>>>> allows youto retract the tensioner when you are changing timing
>>>> chains or
>>>> removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
>>>> with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the
>>>> oil
>>>> pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
>>>> masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and
>>>> much
>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>> Yours
>>>> Vern
>>>>
>>> I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has
>>> one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a
>>> problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the
>>> tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
>>> They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I
>>> fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does
>>> not cause that in large enough quantites!
>>>
>>> Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG
>>> tensioners have the plug in the back:
>>>
>>> http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%
>>> 20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/
>>> A511044881OEA.JPG
>>>
>>> http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--
>>> TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--
>>> MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
>>>
>>> With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over
>>> next time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will
>>> not be for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I
>>> did research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a
>>> Reynolds item, like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in
>>> the back, which needs a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
>>>
>>> James.
>>>
>>
> With all due respect, I don't know where Vern was an MG mechanic -
> from first fitting on the early Magnette until some time in the 18V
> engine era c74, all the MG's I ever saw had plugs in the
> tensioners, just like Rover, Jaguar, and a bunch of other stuff.
> The plugs and procedure for retracting the slipper is in all the
> appropriate shop manuals, with pitchures if'n you don't believe it.
> The 75- on MGB (Bentley reprint of OE WSM) manual has deleted the
> retraction procedure and the plug, but does show you how to reset
> the innards, identical to the plugged type.
>
> Furthermore, the same bits are still inside the tensioners, so at
> worst you take the plug out of your dead one, and drill the new
> one, thread appropriately (1/4-28unf), and now you can drop more
> and smaller pieces down the works! They just delete the plug to
> save the cost of the hole (it is well established that holes cost
> more than bolts) - and to keep morons from assembling the engine
> without the plug - which does cause a significant internal oil leak
> and serious chain rattle. I've had engines come in WO plug! Also,
> people would not uncommonly attempt to tighten the chain by forcing
> the tensioner out with the key - that kills things fast.
>
> There are some tensioners that are actually different, but they are
> not common. There is only one oilway through the face and I believe
> all of them have it - that's what lubricates the chain/slipper
> interface. If it looks the same other than the plug, it is.
>
>
>> Hi
>> I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused
>> by the
>> arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro
>> vs. US
>> standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should
>> carry 120
>> watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the
>> circuit , caused
>> say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire
>> diameter , etc
>> sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise
>> because of
>> the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back
>> streets of
>> Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro
>> standards etc"
>>
>> As far as I can see the philosophy behind the
>> design of the
>> Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a
>> Lucas
>> 35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17
>> amps , 17 x12=
>> 200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420
>> watts .
>>
> What's confusing? You understand what's being done. The common
> references to fuse size are shorthand, and what it all means is
> only in manufacturers catalogs, and sometimes not there. It always
> has been in Lucas catalogs, and for quite a few years Lucas fuses
> have been marked "35A, 17.5A continuous" etc. That is far more
> information than any US Mfr gives you. Lucas marking means the fuse
> blows - "fuses" - at the marked number, what could make more sense?
> The US numbers mean that something happens somewhere around the
> marked number, what and why we don't know without an EE degree and
> a pile of documentation. If you would travel in a strange land,
> learn the language and respect the natives.
>> A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating
>> load of
>> 12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a
>> US fuse
>> of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to
>> fried
>> wiring.\
>>
> Correct for SOME US fuses, which ones is a good question and can be
> near impossible to figure out. Get a Bussman catalog and try to
> learn that! In general and without qualifiers, consider the US
> rating to be equivalent to the Lucas continuous rating, always half
> of the marked number in the case of older Lucas fuses. So you would
> use a 17.5A US or more realistically a 20A, for a 35A or 35/17.5
> Lucas. A "fast blow" US 35A is roughly a 35A Lucas; aa 12 or 15A
> "slow blow" US would be about equiv to 35A Lucas.
>
> Part of the point here is that every rating involves many
> approximations, and they are not directly comparable, even for one
> manufacturer. The rest of the point is that once you understand the
> basics, it's not critical. If you are really worried, start low and
> go up until you have the minimum fuse that works in a good circuit.
>> The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced
>> Lucas fuses ;
>> or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
> NO, "half size" US fuses. But Lucas or other Brit rated fuses are
> easily available from the usual suspects - Moss, British Wiring,
> etc. for little more than normal prices. It's not like you need a
> million fuses.
>> Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the
>> terminals of a
>> Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
>>
> They do, but the cover won't fit. Breakers are not great anyway,
> since they have significant voltage drops if used at near rated
> current, and voltage drops are what we try to eliminate.
>
> FRM
>
>
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From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Jul 9 23:38:55 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:38:55 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 21
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Well, it was 30 years ago or so, and the shop did many different
British brands, mostly Rover & Jaguar. We did quite few B engine
rebuilds or upgrades, and I swear that is my recollection. Perhaps it
just happened that every engine I saw had been fitted with a
replacement plugless tensioner by that time, as none of the MGs were
rubber bumper cars.
Yours
Vern
On 9-Jul-09, at 10:36 AM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
>
>> Quote(s):
>>
>> Yes, they are Reynolds tensioners, but I have to disagree about
>> the retractable version as original for any MG. I have never seen
>> an tensioner with a plug in any MG engine up to when I stopped
>> working as a mechanic, nor did we ever get a replacement from the
>> dealer that was retractable. Retracting the tensioner was not
>> necessary with the design of the MG engine's timing chain and
>> tensioner.
>>
>> Yours
>> Vern
>>
>>>> On the chain tensioner, it is not identical to the Rover part. Very
>>>> close, but the Rover tensioner has a plug at the back that allows
>>>> youto retract the tensioner when you are changing timing chains or
>>>> removing the head. With a MGB style tensioner, you generally end up
>>>> with tensioner bits down the timing case and (if lucky) into the
>>>> oil
>>>> pan. And that is just disassembly, putting one back in is a real
>>>> masochistic exercise involving bits of string, much cursing and
>>>> much
>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>> Yours
>>>> Vern
>>>>
>>> I know about the tensioners without plugs in the back. My TC has
>>> one, and I have did manage to put it back in one day without a
>>> problem. When I had the sump off, as well as the head, I put the
>>> tensioner back in first, and I did have to have a few goes at it.
>>> They are a bitch! Drinking beer may make you feel better, but I
>>> fear that a steady hand may be what is required and beer does not
>>> cause that in large enough quantites!
>>>
>>> Have a look at these images from an MG site. Some of the MG
>>> tensioners have the plug in the back:
>>>
>>> http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/best/image.jsp?title=Timing%20Chain%20Tensioner&url=http%3A//img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/A511044881OEA.JPG
>>>
>>> http://www.englishparts.com/products/MG/1968/MGB/TENSIONER--TIMING-CHAIN--MGA-FROM-GB259-ON--MGB-1962-1980/3330806/11677/460-560.html
>>>
>>> With the plug in the back. I will definitely change mine over
>>> next time I have to take the tensioner off, which hopefully will
>>> not be for a long time. At RoverAmerica we did discuss these. I
>>> did research the MG tensioner, and originally they were a
>>> Reynolds item, like on the Rover 2000, and did have a plug in the
>>> back, which needs a 1/8 inch allen key to release the tension.
>>>
>>> James.
>>>
>>
> With all due respect, I don't know where Vern was an MG mechanic -
> from first fitting on the early Magnette until some time in the 18V
> engine era c74, all the MG's I ever saw had plugs in the tensioners,
> just like Rover, Jaguar, and a bunch of other stuff. The plugs and
> procedure for retracting the slipper is in all the appropriate shop
> manuals, with pitchures if'n you don't believe it. The 75- on MGB
> (Bentley reprint of OE WSM) manual has deleted the retraction
> procedure and the plug, but does show you how to reset the innards,
> identical to the plugged type.
>
> Furthermore, the same bits are still inside the tensioners, so at
> worst you take the plug out of your dead one, and drill the new one,
> thread appropriately (1/4-28unf), and now you can drop more and
> smaller pieces down the works! They just delete the plug to save the
> cost of the hole (it is well established that holes cost more than
> bolts) - and to keep morons from assembling the engine without the
> plug - which does cause a significant internal oil leak and serious
> chain rattle. I've had engines come in WO plug! Also, people would
> not uncommonly attempt to tighten the chain by forcing the tensioner
> out with the key - that kills things fast.
>
> There are some tensioners that are actually different, but they are
> not common. There is only one oilway through the face and I believe
> all of them have it - that's what lubricates the chain/slipper
> interface. If it looks the same other than the plug, it is.
>
>
>> Hi
>> I've read the posts on Lucas vs. US fuses and am still confused by
>> the
>> arguments about relative diameters of European and US wiring, Euro
>> vs. US
>> standards etc . A nominal 10 amp fuse in a 12volt circuit should
>> carry 120
>> watts and then fail at some higher power flow through the circuit ,
>> caused
>> say by a short circuit . The design of the circuit , wire
>> diameter , etc
>> sets the appropriate fuse rating . The confusion seems to arise
>> because of
>> the way Lucas designated their fuses . This happened in the back
>> streets of
>> Birmingham in the 1930s , long before the creation of ' Euro
>> standards etc"
>>
>> As far as I can see the philosophy behind the design
>> of the
>> Lucas fuses [Lucas - design-philosophy- - Oxymoron ??] for say a
>> Lucas
>> 35amp/17 amp fuse is : The circuit is designed to handle 17 amps ,
>> 17 x12=
>> 200 watts , and the fuse is supposed to blow at around 35x12= 420
>> watts .
>>
> What's confusing? You understand what's being done. The common
> references to fuse size are shorthand, and what it all means is only
> in manufacturers catalogs, and sometimes not there. It always has
> been in Lucas catalogs, and for quite a few years Lucas fuses have
> been marked "35A, 17.5A continuous" etc. That is far more
> information than any US Mfr gives you. Lucas marking means the fuse
> blows - "fuses" - at the marked number, what could make more sense?
> The US numbers mean that something happens somewhere around the
> marked number, what and why we don't know without an EE degree and a
> pile of documentation. If you would travel in a strange land, learn
> the language and respect the natives.
>> A US 35 amp fuse is designed to carry an operating
>> load of
>> 12x35= 420 watts and will blow at a higher load . Substituting a
>> US fuse
>> of the same nominal rating in a Lucas circuit could well lead to
>> fried
>> wiring.\
>>
> Correct for SOME US fuses, which ones is a good question and can be
> near impossible to figure out. Get a Bussman catalog and try to
> learn that! In general and without qualifiers, consider the US
> rating to be equivalent to the Lucas continuous rating, always half
> of the marked number in the case of older Lucas fuses. So you would
> use a 17.5A US or more realistically a 20A, for a 35A or 35/17.5
> Lucas. A "fast blow" US 35A is roughly a 35A Lucas; aa 12 or 15A
> "slow blow" US would be about equiv to 35A Lucas.
>
> Part of the point here is that every rating involves many
> approximations, and they are not directly comparable, even for one
> manufacturer. The rest of the point is that once you understand the
> basics, it's not critical. If you are really worried, start low and
> go up until you have the minimum fuse that works in a good circuit.
>> The best bet is to find some original , probably high priced Lucas
>> fuses ;
>> or in an emergency fit " One size down" US fuses
> NO, "half size" US fuses. But Lucas or other Brit rated fuses are
> easily available from the usual suspects - Moss, British Wiring,
> etc. for little more than normal prices. It's not like you need a
> million fuses.
>> Alternatively miniature circuit breakers which fit across the
>> terminals of a
>> Lucas fuse box would be a great invention . Do they exist ???
>>
> They do, but the cover won't fit. Breakers are not great anyway,
> since they have significant voltage drops if used at near rated
> current, and voltage drops are what we try to eliminate.
>
> FRM
>
>
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 17:31:15 2009
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
Message-ID: <BAY119-W1133F00A3210ABFAA9BADEDE270@phx.gbl>
I know we have discussed this earlier many times but I just returned from the auto appraisers (i am also one but not allowed to appraise my own)........
In doing my own research i also came up with a figure
very close to their one........I appraised my 2000TC at $7000CND....their
figure came in at $6500.........My car is original and in very good original
shape excepting the 2 front seats which are splitting at the seam stitching, a small hole in trunk and a small dent at the bottom of the pass
. fender from rolling forward off the car dolly when i got it.... My question to you all is why do you think the values of all Rovers with the exception
of a very few have stayed very low as compared to other cars...An example
being a Morris Minor ........in similar shape they are worth double a Rover
2000TC yet not half the car in all aspects............Personally i don't
care in that i love Rovers but to see my Dads MGB GT worth twice my Rover
when it doesn't hold a candle to it drives me to drink.....Maybe i should
keep quiet so the cost of buying a good Rover stays down
Just curious as to your thoughts
Bill Robertson
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From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:09:29 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 workshop manual.
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I have discovered that I have two Rover 2000 official workshop manuals in my bookcase. I have only had one in the past, so I suspect that I may have accidentally picked up someone's manual at RoverAmerica. If anyone who was there is missing a manual could they email me off line and I will send the manual back to them. I would like to reunite it with its rightful owner.
James Radcliffe.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 10 19:33:07 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:07 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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Hi Bill
In general I agree with all you say regarding the value of Rovers (some rare models being the exception) and I wonder if we are responsible for causing most of the low value problems ourselves. Most people that buy Rovers are Rover enthusiasts and I believe we decide even before seeing a car what its worth. I think the poor old TC in particular is always under valued. I admit when I go looking for one I'm firm of mind that I'm not going to pay more than something in the area of $4000.00 and for that I expect a very good example. I help sell a very nice P4 a few years ago, it was a bit of a hybrid but really a good car nice paint new upholstery tires total drive line rebuild. This car was first offered at $14.000 US, later lowered to $8000 Cdn and finally sold for $3500. When you think that Dennis Brooks tried to sell his spare P6B that was quite restorable and was forced to offer it free. I think he finally found someone to take it, but even free it wasn't an easy sell. Of course Rover is mostly an unknown make over here, whereas the MG is famous, even Land Rover is moderately famous.
Just my two cents worth.
Another poor Rover owner!! Regards Ben (irishrover)
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 20:20:44 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:20:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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From: BEN RODGERS <irishrover1 at sympatico.ca>
Hi Bill
<SNIP>
......."?I'm not going to pay more than something in the area of $4000.00 and for that I expect a very good example. ..........."
?
I have $4000.00 worth of paint on my restored Rover?from 2001? :-)
?
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From rovercar at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 21:36:45 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:36:45 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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Bill Robertson wrote:
> I know we have discussed this earlier many times
Yes, and people always get mad at me.
Please define:
Appraised value=
Market value=
Intrinsic value=
How much the bloke kicking the tires is willing to hand over value=
How much you might get if you had six blokes competitively bidding for
your Rover value=
One of the most endearing qualities of the Rover automobile is the
relatively low purchase price. I've always gotten back what I put into
my Rovers, but I've never done a full restoration of one. From an
economic point of view, the truest advice ever given is to buy the best
car you can afford, and try to buy one that someone else has already
sunk the big money into. A Rover P6 will seldom recover the full cost of
a restoration, especially if it was in bad shape to begin with. If
you're going to spend $5-10k painting a car, you might as well put paint
on a MkII Jaguar if you want to get the money back.
I'd be satisfied if I got $6,500 for a very good TC with bad seats and
minor body damage, in fact, I'd run to the bank as fast as I could.
Ben's estimate of $4,000 and it had better be a nice one is what I would
expect.
I'm also not convinced that a car needs to be concours perfect to be
enjoyed.
MGB's are drastically overpriced, and few of them bear any resemblance
to what left the factory, anymore.
Glen
> but I just returned from the auto appraisers (i am also one but not
> allowed to appraise my own)........
> In doing my own research i also came up with a figure
> very close to their one........I appraised my 2000TC at $7000CND....their
> figure came in at $6500.........My car is original and in very good
> original
> shape excepting the 2 front seats which are splitting at the seam
> stitching, a small hole in trunk and a
> small dent at the bottom of the pass
> . fender from rolling forward off the car dolly when i got it.... My
> question to you all is why do you
> think the values of all Rovers with the exception
> of a very few have stayed very low as compared to other cars...An example
> being a Morris Minor ........in similar shape they are worth double a
> Rover
> 2000TC yet not half the car in all aspects............Personally i don't
> care in that i love Rovers but to see my Dads MGB GT worth twice my Rover
> when it doesn't hold a candle to it drives me to drink.....Maybe i should
> keep quiet so the cost of buying a good Rover stays down
>
> Just curious as to your thoughts
>
> Bill Robertson
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From phing at videotron.ca Fri Jul 10 21:39:37 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Message-ID: <002501ca01c8$73b30700$5b191500$@ca>
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S NADA
spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and specifically the
total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s " Under Restoration
";Parts cars , dreamer's potential restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
Patrick
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From nathanobuch at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 21:48:37 2009
From: nathanobuch at yahoo.com (Nathan Obuch)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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Put me down for one '69 2000 TC. Semi-drivable, hoping to sort rear brakes this summer. I've only seen two other P6es in person in my entire life!
Nathan
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> roadworthy . 2000 , TC
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> by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know
> the total of P6s ?
> Under Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s
> potential restorations ?
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From phing at videotron.ca Fri Jul 10 21:48:37 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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Bill
Surely the only value which has any relevance is Glen's " Bloke kicking the
tyres value " The likelihood of actually having " six blokes bidding for
your Rover " is about the same as that of winning the lottery .?
Cheers
Patrick
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:37 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
Bill Robertson wrote:
I know we have discussed this earlier many times
Yes, and people always get mad at me.
Please define:
Appraised value=
Market value=
Intrinsic value=
How much the bloke kicking the tires is willing to hand over value=
How much you might get if you had six blokes competitively bidding for your
Rover value=
One of the most endearing qualities of the Rover automobile is the
relatively low purchase price. I've always gotten back what I put into my
Rovers, but I've never done a full restoration of one. From an economic
point of view, the truest advice ever given is to buy the best car you can
afford, and try to buy one that someone else has already sunk the big money
into. A Rover P6 will seldom recover the full cost of a restoration,
especially if it was in bad shape to begin with. If you're going to spend
$5-10k painting a car, you might as well put paint on a MkII Jaguar if you
want to get the money back.
I'd be satisfied if I got $6,500 for a very good TC with bad seats and minor
body damage, in fact, I'd run to the bank as fast as I could. Ben's estimate
of $4,000 and it had better be a nice one is what I would expect.
I'm also not convinced that a car needs to be concours perfect to be
enjoyed.
MGB's are drastically overpriced, and few of them bear any resemblance to
what left the factory, anymore.
Glen
but I just returned from the auto appraisers (i am also one but not allowed
to appraise my own)........
In doing my own research i also came up with a figure
very close to their one........I appraised my 2000TC at $7000CND....their
figure came in at $6500.........My car is original and in very good
original
shape excepting the 2 front seats which are splitting at the seam
stitching, a small hole in trunk and a small
dent at the bottom of the pass
. fender from rolling forward off the car dolly when i got it.... My
question to you all is why do you think the
values of all Rovers with the exception
of a very few have stayed very low as compared to other cars...An example
being a Morris Minor ........in similar shape they are worth double a Rover
2000TC yet not half the car in all aspects............Personally i don't
care in that i love Rovers but to see my Dads MGB GT worth twice my Rover
when it doesn't hold a candle to it drives me to drink.....Maybe i should
keep quiet so the cost of buying a good Rover stays down
Just curious as to your thoughts
Bill Robertson
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From rovercar at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 21:51:22 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
That would be:
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba (Netherlands)
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bermuda (UK)
British Virgin Islands (UK)
Canada
Cayman Islands (UK)
Clipperton Island (France)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Greenland (Denmark)
Grenada
Guadeloupe (France)
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Martinique (France)
Mexico
Montserrat (UK)
Navassa Island (USA)
Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
Nicaragua
Panama
Puerto Rico (USA)
Saint Barth?lemy (France)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Martin (France)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
United States
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
Glen
From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 22:29:57 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:29:57 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Free 3500 S...
Message-ID: <COL114-W142E66574BFB0CAA7A5004DE240@phx.gbl>
That's right ...restorable ...kept protected from the weather..I thought I had a taker for her but he has changed his mind due to no room either...
I am not parting this car out ...it's missing a few things but VERY restorable...
Here's my PH # if you want to pick it up...it is in Waterford NB Canada ...just outside Sussex N.B.
506-214-4999....
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 22:34:14 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:34:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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One '71 NADA 2000 TC; VG-EXC condition; one owner before I bought her about 7 years ago. Probably for sale before too long though . . . .
________________________________
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:39:37 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N
America ??
I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC
and 3500S NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
specifically the total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ?
Under Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Fri Jul 10 23:34:06 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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2 P6B here in Portland that I know of, one of which is mine?
AvMedSafe
Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:40 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and specifically the total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
Patrick
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From kkinard at att.net Fri Jul 10 23:51:44 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:51:44 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America
in 2009???
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I have one P6B that is roadworthy and another I am working on. One
2200TC in process. Five parts cars..3 TC's, 2 P6B's One TC is very
complete but in pieces.
Roverly,
Kent K.
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> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
From trowzerkoff at hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 02:12:48 2009
From: trowzerkoff at hotmail.com (Richard Sharpe)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Great YouTube videos for Roverites
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Check YouTube for "John Twist University Motors" for a collection of excellent how-to repair and servicing tips for Brit cars. One of his videos featuring SU twin carbs has just helped me fix a poorly running P6 2000. [Hint: check that some previous owner hasn't got the air pistons swapped around.]
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From lingfield51 at btinternet.com Sat Jul 11 03:06:14 2009
From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com (JULIET KEILER)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:06:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover values
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I think to some extent Rover values are irrelevant. If every car was ?20,000 ($30,000) then some?of us (certainly me)would not of been able to afford them and would not get the pleasure of driving them. If every car was no more than ?1000 ($1500) then other than the fact any restoration/improvement investment would not be recovered what difference does it make. If you are looking at owing a Rover to make a profit then it does, if you just enjoy them for themselves then IMHO it doesn't.
I?think the links below give some idea of 'market forces' at work. The first was purchased at auction for ?2000 and looks a clean and presentable example which may need some recommissioning (so maybe a brake overhaul and a good service) to make roadworthy. But the paint leather and chrome look very good.
The second is what happens to a car like this when?purchased by?a dealer. Some money invested it's true but all the 'expensive' stuff is good enough to polish, feed and present to the buyer. The costs are then weighed up, doubled and sold on.
Now I accept much of the above is conjecture and supposition but if Rovers every reach the giddy heights of Astons and Healy's then all that will be attracted will be the profiteers and money men, the 'true' enthusiast won't get a look in.
If you want an example of this look at the UK house market. Prior to the current financial problems thousands of people bought houses in need of repair purely to make a profit, in fact there were numerous TV programmes over here to advise how to restore for maximum profit. So a lick of paint and?a new kitchen and bathroom later they sold on for thousands in profit. Result is many young people starting families were squeezed out of the housing market and everyone got the feel good factor from seeing there house prices rise by 10% a year borrowed against it ..........the rest is history.
Sorry for straying slightly into politics but to sum up long live the cheap Rover, it keeps the profiteers and money men away leaving them for us, true enthusiats to whom the value cannot be measured in dollars or pounds.
"There is hardly any money interest in art, and music will be there when money is gone". Duke Ellington?
http://www.brightwells.com/3rdparty/orphanspress/classiccars/viewdetails.php?id=1346
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C98354/
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sat Jul 11 06:40:31 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:40:31 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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Hi Patrick
There are two TC's on Prince Edward Island and one SC all are on the road and running.There are two more TC's not on the road at this time. When you consider PEI is Canada's smallest Province with a pop of 140,000 thats a pretty high percentage of Rovers! In New Brunswick there are at least two P6B's and three TC's that I know of. Thats a total of nine cars just in this small area and that would suggest the estimate of 100 in total is probably low. Oh! almost forgot one P4 in NB also that makes 10.
Regards Ben (irishrover)
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 08:14:15 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:14:15 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North
America in 2009???
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Hi,
I have one TC and Rowland Copeland has another in the next town over. So two in North New Jersey that I know of. I came across a 3500s in Bear Mountain NY last year. But it didn't below to Dermot Harvey
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 09:07:04 2009
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:07:04 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 numbers
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Well i have 2 2000TC's roadworthy, 1 parts TC and one 3500S garage worthy...LOL soon to be road worthy
Cheers Patrick
Bill Robertson
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From: rovercar at comcast.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:51:22 -0400
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
That would be:
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba (Netherlands)
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bermuda (UK)
British Virgin Islands (UK)
Canada
Cayman Islands (UK)
Clipperton Island (France)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Greenland (Denmark)
Grenada
Guadeloupe (France)
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Martinique (France)
Mexico
Montserrat (UK)
Navassa Island (USA)
Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
Nicaragua
Panama
Puerto Rico (USA)
Saint Barth?lemy (France)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Martin (France)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
United States
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
Glen
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From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:29:57 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Free 3500 S...
That's right ...restorable ...kept protected from the weather..I thought I had a taker for her but he has changed his mind due to no room either...
I am not parting this car out ...it's missing a few things but VERY restorable...
Here's my PH # if you want to pick it up...it is in Waterford NB Canada ...just outside Sussex N.B.
506-214-4999....
Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us.
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From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:34:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
One '71 NADA 2000 TC; VG-EXC condition; one owner before I bought her about 7 years ago. Probably for sale before too long though . . . .
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:39:37 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and specifically the total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
Patrick
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:34:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
2 P6B here in Portland that I
know of, one of which is mine?
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Geff and Julie McCarthy
677 NW Melinda Ave
Portland OR 97210
503-241-8468
503-799-3809 mobile
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:40 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s
of all types are there in N America ??
I would guess around a total of
100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S NADA spec , I would be interested in a
breakdown by type and specifically the total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to
know the total of P6s ? Under Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential
restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
Patrick
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From: kkinard at att.net
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:51:44 -0500
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
I have one P6B that is roadworthy and another I am working on. One
2200TC in process. Five parts cars..3 TC's, 2 P6B's One TC is very
complete but in pieces.
Roverly,
Kent K.
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Great YouTube videos for Roverites
Check YouTube for "John Twist University Motors" for a collection of excellent how-to repair and servicing tips for Brit cars. One of his videos featuring SU twin carbs has just helped me fix a poorly running P6 2000. [Hint: check that some previous owner hasn't got the air pistons swapped around.]
Click Here View photos of singles in your area
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From: lingfield51 at btinternet.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:06:14 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover values
I think to some extent Rover values are irrelevant. If every car was ?20,000 ($30,000) then some of us (certainly me)would not of been able to afford them and would not get the pleasure of driving them. If every car was no more than ?1000 ($1500) then other than the fact any restoration/improvement investment would not be recovered what difference does it make. If you are looking at owing a Rover to make a profit then it does, if you just enjoy them for themselves then IMHO it doesn't.
I think the links below give some idea of 'market forces' at work. The first was purchased at auction for ?2000 and looks a clean and presentable example which may need some recommissioning (so maybe a brake overhaul and a good service) to make roadworthy. But the paint leather and chrome look very good.
The second is what happens to a car like this when purchased by a dealer. Some money invested it's true but all the 'expensive' stuff is good enough to polish, feed and present to the buyer. The costs are then weighed up, doubled and sold on.
Now I accept much of the above is conjecture and supposition but if Rovers every reach the giddy heights of Astons and Healy's then all that will be attracted will be the profiteers and money men, the 'true' enthusiast won't get a look in.
If you want an example of this look at the UK house market. Prior to the current financial problems thousands of people bought houses in need of repair purely to make a profit, in fact there were numerous TV programmes over here to advise how to restore for maximum profit. So a lick of paint and a new kitchen and bathroom later they sold on for thousands in profit. Result is many young people starting families were squeezed out of the housing market and everyone got the feel good factor from seeing there house prices rise by 10% a year borrowed against it ..........the rest is history.
Sorry for straying slightly into politics but to sum up long live the cheap Rover, it keeps the profiteers and money men away leaving them for us, true enthusiats to whom the value cannot be measured in dollars or pounds.
"There is hardly any money interest in art, and music will be there when money is gone". Duke Ellington
http://www.brightwells.com/3rdparty/orphanspress/classiccars/viewdetails.php?id=1346
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C98354/
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 10:45:08 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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One roadworthy P6B and one able to be made so when time and money
permit. The roadworthy one does have nasty oil leak so doesn't go
anywhere
Aidrian
From phing at videotron.ca Sat Jul 11 11:31:27 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:31:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America
in 2009???
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Glen
Let's keep it simple . Canada , USA and I will throw in St Pierre et
Miquelon as French territories off shore Canada .
Perhaps Rudiger's data base can help ??
Cheers
Patrick
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
That would be:
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba (Netherlands)
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bermuda (UK)
British Virgin Islands (UK)
Canada
Cayman Islands (UK)
Clipperton Island (France)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Greenland (Denmark)
Grenada
Guadeloupe (France)
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Martinique (France)
Mexico
Montserrat (UK)
Navassa Island (USA)
Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
Nicaragua
Panama
Puerto Rico (USA)
Saint Barth?lemy (France)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Martin (France)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
United States
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
Glen
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From britcarnut at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 14:17:35 2009
From: britcarnut at yahoo.com (Geoff Kirkpatrick)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America
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I have six: Two 3500S, three 2000TC, one 2000. All are near-roadworthy except one of the TC's.
Currently there is another 3500S on Craigslist in Redwood City, CA.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/1258783123.html
So that's seven. Also, I sold a nice 2000TC in 2003. I haven't kept track of it but I'm sure it's still around.
And there are three derelict 2000TC's at an auto repair shop in Santa Cruz. Been there for decades.
Geoff
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From rovercar at comcast.net Sat Jul 11 18:20:30 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:30 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North
America in 2009???
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
> Glen
> Let's keep it simple . Canada , USA and I will throw in St Pierre et
> Miquelon as French territories off shore Canada .
>
Let's not forget that our Mexican friends are members of NAFTA, just
like the US and Canada! I've actually seen some very interesting cars
for sale down there (not Rover), but I've read that the drive north from
Mexico City can be pretty hairy!
Glen
> Perhaps Rudiger's data base can help ??
> Cheers
> Patrick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
> Behalf Of Glen Wilson
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
> 2009???
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>>
>> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
>> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
>> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>>
>> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s " Under
>> Restoration ";Parts cars , dreamer's potential restorations
>>
>> Any ideas ??
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>
> That would be:
>
>
> Anguilla (UK)
> Antigua and Barbuda
> Aruba (Netherlands)
> Bahamas
> Barbados
> Belize
> Bermuda (UK)
> British Virgin Islands (UK)
> Canada
> Cayman Islands (UK)
> Clipperton Island (France)
> Costa Rica
> Cuba
> Dominica
> Dominican Republic
> El Salvador
> Greenland (Denmark)
> Grenada
> Guadeloupe (France)
> Guatemala
> Haiti
> Honduras
> Jamaica
> Martinique (France)
> Mexico
> Montserrat (UK)
> Navassa Island (USA)
> Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
> Nicaragua
> Panama
> Puerto Rico (USA)
> Saint Barth?lemy (France)
> Saint Kitts and Nevis
> Saint Lucia
> Saint Martin (France)
> Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
> Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
> Trinidad and Tobago
> Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
> United States
> U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
>
> I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
>
> Glen
>
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From tnrholmes at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 18:30:09 2009
From: tnrholmes at gmail.com (Robert Holmes)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
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I have a beautiful '69 2000TC in Louisville Ky, which just went over 89,000
miles!
Rob Holmes
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net> wrote:
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Glen
> Let's keep it simple . Canada , USA and I will throw in St Pierre et
> Miquelon as French territories off shore Canada .
>
>
> Let's not forget that our Mexican friends are members of NAFTA, just like
> the US and Canada! I've actually seen some very interesting cars for sale
> down there (not Rover), but I've read that the drive north from Mexico City
> can be pretty hairy!
>
> Glen
>
> Perhaps Rudiger's data base can help ??
> Cheers
> Patrick
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca <rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca>] On
> Behalf Of Glen Wilson
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM
> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
> 2009???
>
> Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
> That would be:
>
>
> Anguilla (UK)
> Antigua and Barbuda
> Aruba (Netherlands)
> Bahamas
> Barbados
> Belize
> Bermuda (UK)
> British Virgin Islands (UK)
> Canada
> Cayman Islands (UK)
> Clipperton Island (France)
> Costa Rica
> Cuba
> Dominica
> Dominican Republic
> El Salvador
> Greenland (Denmark)
> Grenada
> Guadeloupe (France)
> Guatemala
> Haiti
> Honduras
> Jamaica
> Martinique (France)
> Mexico
> Montserrat (UK)
> Navassa Island (USA)
> Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
> Nicaragua
> Panama
> Puerto Rico (USA)
> Saint Barth?lemy (France)
> Saint Kitts and Nevis
> Saint Lucia
> Saint Martin (France)
> Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
> Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
> Trinidad and Tobago
> Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
> United States
> U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
>
> I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
>
> Glen
>
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 18:51:49 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:51:49 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in
North America in 2009???
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Just being curious I googled North America...here's what I learned...
North America includes these large countries, listed from North to South:
Canada
United States of America
Mexico
Greenland, ruled by Denmark, is a large island to the northeast of Canada, and is also considered part of North America.
Personally I would guess there to be at least 250 road worthy P6'S alone and an additional 200 that are being used as doner cars in various stages.
Regards
Dennis Brooks
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:30 -0400
From: rovercar at comcast.net
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in 2009???
Patrick Hiron wrote:
Glen
Let's keep it simple . Canada , USA and I will throw in St Pierre et
Miquelon as French territories off shore Canada .
Let's not forget that our Mexican friends are members of NAFTA, just like the US and Canada! I've actually seen some very interesting cars for sale down there (not Rover), but I've read that the drive north from Mexico City can be pretty hairy!
Glen
Perhaps Rudiger's data base can help ??
Cheers
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
2009???
Patrick Hiron wrote:
Hi
Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
specifically the total number of drivable V8s
It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
Any ideas ??
Cheers
Patrick
That would be:
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Aruba (Netherlands)
Bahamas
Barbados
Belize
Bermuda (UK)
British Virgin Islands (UK)
Canada
Cayman Islands (UK)
Clipperton Island (France)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Greenland (Denmark)
Grenada
Guadeloupe (France)
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Jamaica
Martinique (France)
Mexico
Montserrat (UK)
Navassa Island (USA)
Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands)
Nicaragua
Panama
Puerto Rico (USA)
Saint Barth?lemy (France)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Martin (France)
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
United States
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA)
I don't know about Greenland, but I know there be Rovers in Iceland!
Glen
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From pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 11 19:12:11 2009
From: pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net (pmholbrook at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:12:11 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America
in2009???
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I have 2 running p6's a 1967 tc and a 1964 sc both lhd 4 speeds, walnut creek california. Cheers peter
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in North America in
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I have a fully roadworthy P6B in Aurora, Ontario. (And very pleasant to
drive it is, too!)
The TARC Heritage Group have a P6B parts car, and have parted out one or
two P6Bs and one 2000TC over the past 10 years or so.
There is another drivable P6, I think it's a 2000TC, in Bolton, Ontario.
I see it on the road occasionally.
Cheers,
-- Bill Daddis
=========================================================
Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Some one asked me ,how many P6s of all types are there in N America ??
>
> I would guess around a total of 100 roadworthy . 2000 , TC and 3500S
> NADA spec , I would be interested in a breakdown by type and
> specifically the total number of drivable V8s
>
> It would also be interesting to know the total of P6s ? Under
> Restoration ?;Parts cars , dreamer?s potential restorations
>
> Any ideas ??
>
> Cheers
>
> Patrick
>
From ianalice at shaw.ca Sat Jul 11 20:53:57 2009
From: ianalice at shaw.ca (Alice and Ian Potts)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:53:57 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] existing cars
Message-ID: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC>
Hi, guys. My racing green l970 Rover TC2000 is roadworthy and for sale. Recent rebuilding and tuning makes it a real find. I have it in storage termporarily. Any takers? Lots of pictures if you write to me at ianalice at shaw.ca Also, I am currently driving a 2000 automatic, l968 model, bored out to 2200. Sunroof, watertight, and needing new struts (or balljoints up front) Radios in both cars work well too! Cheers, Ian Potts on Vancouver Island.
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Jul 12 02:00:42 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:00:42 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 JXC 822D / ebay
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC>
Message-ID: <968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270424859660&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D270424859660%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Jul 12 04:37:43 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:37:43 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 - strange colour
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC>
<968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
Message-ID: <335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
Seen on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frontdrive34/3711672033/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frontdrive34/3711673101/
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From RoverP6 at gmx.de Sun Jul 12 05:01:24 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:01:24 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unknown P6 "racing"
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC><968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
<335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
Message-ID: <750FD00F817847019EDF78AC9A908E02@rw>
Is the owner of this P6 here on Rovernet?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustyheaps/3693266704/
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From magnet at roverclub.org Sun Jul 12 08:03:30 2009
From: magnet at roverclub.org (Magnet)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:03:30 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] [Rovernet] Rover P6 - strange colour
In-Reply-To: <335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC> <968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
<335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
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Talking about P6 colours, what colour do you suppose JXC822D (the car on
Ebay) is? Is it an official Rover colour?
I ask because it appears to be the same colour as my P6B, which was
originally white but was resprayed in this colour long before I got it.
Some have suggested it is Richelieu red (?)
Cheers,
-- Bill Daddis
>
From j_radcliffe at hotmail.com Sun Jul 12 09:49:35 2009
From: j_radcliffe at hotmail.com (James Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Still Con-fused.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.93.1247352703.14133.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
References: <mailman.93.1247352703.14133.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <SNT105-W4778307B6416034AFF11508E250@phx.gbl>
I found this good and funny guide to lucas fuses and electrics.
http://www.mez.co.uk/lucas.html
and here is a good translation of various phrases from a Haynes manual.
http://www.mez.co.uk/haynes.html
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From ianalice at shaw.ca Sun Jul 12 11:52:31 2009
From: ianalice at shaw.ca (Alice and Ian Potts)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:52:31 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unknown P6 "racing"
In-Reply-To: <750FD00F817847019EDF78AC9A908E02@rw>
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC>
<968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
<335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
<750FD00F817847019EDF78AC9A908E02@rw>
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Yes, Rudiger, the owner of "044" is on the Internet. his e-mail is:
Hufnagl at CenturyTel.net.........
With a little pride on my part, I sold him the engine used in that racer
after a rebuild, and GAVE him the car body. After he visited me on
Vancouver Island, he then drove it away to his home in Washington State in
the U.S A. He then repainted it himself and entered it in non'competitive
racing on a track near Seattle (Vintage Car Racing). He kept this up for a
few years using 044, which was his age at the time, and now has another P6
being prepared for Vintage Car Racing from his own stock of P6 cars. Out of
thanks for my work he calls it 077, my age at that time. (I'm now 82 and
holding!!) which he should have ready soon. He burns 110 aviation fuel
available at the track, and has numerous video tapes of the laps he takes it
through. I would be glad to send you such a tape IF you can play it in the
American format or can get it transformed into European format. My address
is: l975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N 3B1.........I can
also supply you with the body number of 044, a 1970 P6 model, but you may
have it already, as the car belonged to a dear old lady in her 80's that I
kept serviced for many years. Lots of new information waiting for you
when you reply to me at: ianalice at shaw.ca
Good luck! Ian Potts
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:01 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unknown P6 "racing"
>
> Is the owner of this P6 here on Rovernet?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustyheaps/3693266704/
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
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From rovercar at comcast.net Sun Jul 12 12:56:21 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unknown P6 "racing"
In-Reply-To: <593D28CFC6C849CC92E35E02A9336583@IandAlicePC>
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC> <968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw> <335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw> <750FD00F817847019EDF78AC9A908E02@rw>
<593D28CFC6C849CC92E35E02A9336583@IandAlicePC>
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Alice and Ian Potts wrote:
> Yes, Rudiger, the owner of "044" is on the Internet. his e-mail is:
> Hufnagl at CenturyTel.net.........
For safety reason, it's good that they required a roll cage and Icelert!
;-)
What's that little thing hanging down under the front valance? Camera?
Very pretty car. It's nice that people generally try to keep the
appearance close to factory by using the original colors Rover offered,
but it's also refreshing to see how strikingly good looking the P6 is in
other non-factory colors.
Glen
> With a little pride on my part, I sold him the engine used in that
> racer after a rebuild, and GAVE him the car body. After he visited me
> on Vancouver Island, he then drove it away to his home in Washington
> State in the U.S A. He then repainted it himself and entered it in
> non'competitive racing on a track near Seattle (Vintage Car Racing).
> He kept this up for a few years using 044, which was his age at the
> time, and now has another P6 being prepared for Vintage Car Racing
> from his own stock of P6 cars. Out of thanks for my work he calls it
> 077, my age at that time. (I'm now 82 and holding!!) which he should
> have ready soon. He burns 110 aviation fuel available at the track,
> and has numerous video tapes of the laps he takes it through. I would
> be glad to send you such a tape IF you can play it in the American
> format or can get it transformed into European format. My address
> is: l975 Dogwood Drive, Courtenay, B. C. Canada, V9N 3B1.........I
> can also supply you with the body number of 044, a 1970 P6 model, but
> you may have it already, as the car belonged to a dear old lady in her
> 80's that I kept serviced for many years. Lots of new information
> waiting for you when you reply to me at: ianalice at shaw.ca
> Good luck! Ian Potts
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:01 AM
> Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Unknown P6 "racing"
>
>
>>
>> Is the owner of this P6 here on Rovernet?
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustyheaps/3693266704/
>>
>> Rudiger
>> www.RoverP6.info
>>
>>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 21:19:20 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Message-ID: <377350.3366.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
Eric
?Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website: http://www.roverclub.ca/
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From preynolds at igc.org Mon Jul 13 02:05:30 2009
From: preynolds at igc.org (Peter Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Ron Arad 'Rover' Chairs For Sale
In-Reply-To: <377350.3366.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <377350.3366.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2B5315C1-C585-4018-B5F8-CFD7715EB44F@gmail.com>
Roshani Nash ( roshaninash at me.com ) contacted me about selling two of
these Ron Arad designed 'Rover' Chairs They are for sale in the San
Francisco Bay Area! This is the same limited edition chair used by
Jeremy Clarkson on the BBC's Top Gear car show. The beautiful pleated
leather seats are taken from P6's.
Roshani says "I have two of them, not in mint condition, and would
like to sell them. I was wondering if you knew of any potential buyers
here in the Bay Area."
"I really do not know what the price should be. The only time I have
seen them sold was in 2002 when they fetched $1900 each in auction.
They were in good condition and my upholstery is not."
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Mon Jul 13 08:20:23 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:20:23 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] [Rovernet] Rover P6 - strange colour
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC> <968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw><335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
<BLU0-SMTP31071E98B6E5BE58F963BB91250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7ECF8CE3836F485BAAF481FAD99C1A3B@rw>
Could be copperleaf red - but I?m not sure
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Magnet" <magnet at roverclub.org>
An: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juli 2009 14:03
Betreff: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] [Rovernet] Rover P6 - strange
colour
> Talking about P6 colours, what colour do you suppose JXC822D (the
> car on Ebay) is? Is it an official Rover colour?
>
> I ask because it appears to be the same colour as my P6B, which was
> originally white but was resprayed in this colour long before I got
> it. Some have suggested it is Richelieu red (?)
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- Bill Daddis
>
>
>>
>
>
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Mon Jul 13 08:21:57 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:21:57 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 - strange colour
References: <61AC425C163B4E77B9D46A2FF6D7B1F9@IandAlicePC><968C9F92B7AC46B6AF59721E139F620D@rw>
<335DAC157D4144C18F73DA87B23C004F@rw>
Message-ID: <B17A4F9AC9C645A18DB8A508CDC5FAF3@rw>
Any idea ? (I?ve never seen this colour on a P6 before)
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Juli 2009 10:37
Betreff: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 - strange colour
> Seen on Flickr:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/frontdrive34/3711672033/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/frontdrive34/3711673101/
>
>
> Rudiger
> www.RoverP6.info
>
>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Mon Jul 13 08:47:40 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:47:40 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
In-Reply-To: <377350.3366.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <377350.3366.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A02515FF1@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
Dear Eric,
very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Eric Russell
Inviato: luned? 13 luglio 2009 3.19
A: INTERNATIONAL Rovernet
Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
Eric
?Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website: http://www.roverclub.ca/
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From dlachance at hemmings.com Mon Jul 13 09:12:21 2009
From: dlachance at hemmings.com (David LaChance)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:12:21 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 workshop manual.
In-Reply-To: <SNT105-W183275286D254DFBD20BC48E270@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.83.1247182226.14133.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
<SNT105-W183275286D254DFBD20BC48E270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <03F9EBBBEEE1224F813E61CDA169C036013D9536@ENTXCHBE01A.amcity.com>
Hi James,
It was a pleasure meeting you at Dirk's -- thanks again for your help
with my 2000 TC. The manual in question is not mine. Good luck reuniting
it with its owner.
Dave
________________________________
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of James Radcliffe
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:09 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 2000 workshop manual.
I have discovered that I have two Rover 2000 official workshop manuals
in my bookcase. I have only had one in the past, so I suspect that I may
have accidentally picked up someone's manual at RoverAmerica. If anyone
who was there is missing a manual could they email me off line and I
will send the manual back to them. I would like to reunite it with its
rightful owner.
James Radcliffe.
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From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 09:51:22 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:51:22 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] loads of parts ....
Message-ID: <COL114-W337DD3970E681DAE3392C2DE220@phx.gbl>
Well...it seems I can't give the whole Rover 3500S away...so today is now the start of selling off any and all of my extra parts supply ...and I admit there's a LOT of them !! and in addition I am parting out the car that I formerly offered free...
So here's a link to one of my ebay items and from there you can find other parts ...so far all I have online is a set of fiberglass rocker panels (sills) and a water pump ...both from a 3500S.. But there is PLENTY more parts to come ....if anyone has a request ...please ask...and I shall do what I can.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=180381436049
Regards
Dennis Brooks
Saint John N.B.
Canada
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 11:08:53 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
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Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident:? :-)
Eric
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From: "gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com" <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
??? ??? very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
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Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Mon Jul 13 11:11:42 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:11:42 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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You are not the only one...
best regards, Gianluca.
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Hi Bill
<SNIP>
......." I'm not going to pay more than something in the area of
$4000.00 and for that I expect a very good example. ..........."
I have $4000.00 worth of paint on my restored Rover from 2001 :-)
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Mon Jul 13 11:16:45 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:16:45 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one, which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC, previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
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Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident:? :-)
Eric
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
??? ??? very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
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Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
Eric
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From david at davidwalter.net Mon Jul 13 11:18:52 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
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You are not the only one...
best regards, Gianluca.
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Hi Bill
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I have $4000.00 worth of paint on my restored Rover from 2001 :-)
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From phing at videotron.ca Mon Jul 13 11:48:47 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values/ Anoraks ??
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Sadly ,
The relative rarity and cost of restoration has no connection with the
price some one is likely to pay for most old cars . Rover's " anorak "
status ensures that decent Rovers are available for reasonable prices ,
which might just encourage a younger group to get involved with old cars .
Cheers
Patrick
Definition for Glen :" Anorak " originally applied to adults who hang
around the ends of platforms of train stations in the UK collecting obscure
data on locomotives and rolling stock. They usually wear anoraks , an ex
military waterproof jacket with a hood .
The term is now applied to any person or group with interests in slightly
off beat subjects . Some times used as a light heated insult qv. " He's a
total anorak "
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As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and
one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel &
paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and
of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the
stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
You are not the only one...
best regards, Gianluca.
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Hi Bill
<SNIP>
......." I'm not going to pay more than something in the area of $4000.00
and for that I expect a very good example. ..........."
I have $4000.00 worth of paint on my restored Rover from 2001 :-)
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 11:51:59 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:51:59 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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David Walter wrote:
> As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North
> America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin
> to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine,
> transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior
> costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming
> the bumpers.
>
> David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only
be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not
been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory
standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on
it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling
price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car
to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this
restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to
recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well
recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for
sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves
the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a
serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in
the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's
have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every
year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you
stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested,
it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not
represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that
were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were
still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4
that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he
had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a
geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars
and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of
all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no
one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 11:59:20 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:59:20 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Anoraks ??
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Patrick Hiron wrote:
>
> Definition for Glen :" Anorak " originally applied to adults who hang
> around the ends of platforms of train stations in the UK collecting
> obscure data on locomotives and rolling stock. They usually wear
> anoraks , an ex military waterproof jacket with a hood .
>
> The term is now applied to any person or group with interests in
> slightly off beat subjects . Some times used as a light heated insult
> qv. " He's a total anorak "
>
I knew that one, Patrick. Trainspotters. I actually do watch trains, but
I don't write down any numbers. I recently sent Adrian a post off-list
about finding a photo of the original Erie Railroad steam engine that
was attached to the cast iron number plate that my uncle gave me some
years back. It was scrapped almost 60 years ago.
Speaking of definitions, I remember being on the British Cars mailing
list years ago and finally requesting a definition for the word "wanker"
which the British guys kept using. That prompted a pretty amusing series
of messages that I may have saved somewhere for posterity!
;-)
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From jpsco44 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 12:09:27 2009
From: jpsco44 at aol.com (jpsco44 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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ah gianluca !???? roverites should be warned before entering the addiction... ? " lasciate ogni speranza? voi ch'entrate "
j.p. scoseria
-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in
good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one,
which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC,
previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
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Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident:? :-)
Eric
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From: "gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com" <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13,
2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
??? ??? very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other
side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these
cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very
difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at
he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
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Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in
flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
Eric
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Jul 13 12:23:06 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:23:06 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Hi David
The question of a Rovers value has very little to do with the amount of work or money that has gone into the car, its what the market will pay and unfortunately thats not anywhere near what an owner feels his car is worth. I realize a few very nice Rover TC's may well fetch much more than $4000 however I still tend to see that amount as an average price for a good TC.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Mon Jul 13 12:34:48 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:34:48 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] loads of parts ....
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Hi Dennis
I need a couple of items, the black plastic centre console piece that houses the P/W switch. I also need two door trim (fake wood) panels) can be for front or rear. I'm looking for the more rare wood design not the lighter common type that is used in most P6 and P6B's. Its a little darker with a sort of rosewood curl to the pattern.
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From david at davidwalter.net Mon Jul 13 12:39:41 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Hi Ben,
yes, I realise and understand that value has nothing to do with restoration costs, I added my 2 cents worth to help make that clear from the perspective of an owner of a Concours Rover. I never did it to sell and make a profit, I did it because I wanted to build a good car and P6B 3500 is what I had to start with.
David
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Hi David
The question of a Rovers value has very little to do with the amount of work or money that has gone into the car, its what the market will pay and unfortunately thats not anywhere near what an owner feels his car is worth. I realize a few very nice Rover TC's may well fetch much more than $4000 however I still tend to see that amount as an average price for a good TC.
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From roverman2 at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 13:05:07 2009
From: roverman2 at verizon.net (Dermot Harvey)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] How many P6s in
North America in 2009???
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Hi Steve,
Not my 3500S at Bear Mountain! I haven't owned a 3500S for about 20
years. I really much prefer the SD1 despite its build quality. The
car handles much better than the 3500S and is quite quick in its 5
speed form.
I still have my Rover 2000, but the body needs restoring again since
I did it 25 years ago. Still one of my favorite and most reliable cars.
Yes, a shame about the poor value of most postwar Rovers. I have an
easily restorable 1968 2000TC which is worth so little that I will
probably part it out.
Dermot Harvey
Spectral Kinetics
On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Steven Dibdin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have one TC and Rowland Copeland has another in the next town
> over. So two in North New Jersey that I know of. I came across a
> 3500s in Bear Mountain NY last year. But it didn't below to Dermot
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 13:22:18 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:22:18 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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David Walter wrote:
> As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North
> America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin
> to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine,
> transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior
> costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming
> the bumpers.
>
> David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only
be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not
been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory
standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on
it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling
price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car
to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this
restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to
recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well
recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for
sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves
the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a
serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in
the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's
have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every
year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you
stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested,
it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not
represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that
were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were
still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4
that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he
had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a
geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars
and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of
all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no
one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From david at davidwalter.net Mon Jul 13 13:46:18 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more "bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From michael.maher at virgin.net Mon Jul 13 15:15:40 2009
From: michael.maher at virgin.net (Mike Maher)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:15:40 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp (that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
----- Original Message -----
From: David Walter
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more "bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From rover2000nut at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 15:47:54 2009
From: rover2000nut at hotmail.com (Bill Robertson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:47:54 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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Yes the market value certainly has nothing to do with the restorative price, (as the Guild car that had the over $100,000 total rebuild and then didn't even get original seat materials or colours)but as i was told many years earlier when my i had sold my original Rovers and moved onto muscle cars.........The standard insurance answer of which none of you have alluded to is........4 door sedans are rarely collectable, thus their market value will always be much lower than a 2 door whether it is a sports car or not(bit like the soccer mom minivan factor....great vehicle for what it is but no one will buy one)......I think that will change somewhere here in the nearer future with the younger set as many of the 4 door sport sedans will be sought after...BMW, Mitsubishi etc................That said i appreciate the fact my sport sedan (2000TC) is still very afforable and fun to drive..........Funny but the 3500S is worth double yet only half as sporty (in stock NADA form...)
PS.......The racing 2000TC probably shaves seconds off his lap times with his icelert telling him when his ice cubes are ready for his next drink..........
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From david at davidwalter.net Mon Jul 13 16:28:04 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:28:04 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Mike,
yes, there was some racing but there was no real concerted effort by a factory sponsored presence on the race track as Jaguar did for example. You forgot to mention that Rover did give a small attempt to Rally for at least one season and Roger Clark who rallied a 2000TC also drove it in the London to Sydney Marathon in 1968 ( I think it was '68) I went and saw the cars including Roger Clark's TC at the Lake Grace checkpoint in Western Australia, way out in the middle of nowhere.
So yes, there was competition by Rover but it was not enough to boost the image, and indeed considering Rover's very conservative client base the factory may actually have been embarrassed at any race track success.
Some years ago in Australia, Volvo sponsored a quite successful race car then withdrew their support as they felt the race winning didn't sit well with their customers who were buying a "safe, green and sensible car", not a sporty thing that won races.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Maher
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp (that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
----- Original Message -----
From: David Walter
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more "bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
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David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
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From rovercar at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 16:59:01 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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Jag saloon with four doors command a pretty penny in the USA. I'm not
sure that it has been my experience that the 3500S command twice what a
TC does, at least not in the USA. Maybe $1k more than a TC in similar
condition. If the buyer know what the cars are, I think they appeal to
different drivers. The TC is closer to the original vision of the car
that the designers had and is perhaps a bit more quaint in that old
British sort of way. The 3500S (in particular the Federal 3500S) is an
adaptation to a market that had evolved a number of years after the P6
went into production. If Rover had had the funds available, they
probably would have introduced a new model circa 1969 such as the P8.
I'm working on my roof today. Every time I go in and out of my front
window, I sit at the computer for a couple of minutes. Hence all of my
postings today!
Glen
Robertson wrote:
> Yes the market value certainly has nothing to do with the restorative
> price, (as the Guild car that had the over $100,000 total rebuild and
> then didn't even get original seat materials or colours)but as i was
> told many years earlier when my i had sold my original Rovers and
> moved onto muscle cars.........The standard insurance answer of which
> none of you have alluded to is........4 door sedans are rarely
> collectable, thus their market value will always be much lower than a
> 2 door whether it is a sports car or not(bit like the soccer mom
> minivan factor....great vehicle for what it is but no one will buy
> one)......I think that will change somewhere here in the nearer future
> with the younger set as many of the 4 door sport sedans will be
> sought after...BMW, Mitsubishi etc................That said i
> appreciate the fact my sport sedan (2000TC) is still very afforable
> and fun to drive..........Funny but the 3500S is worth double yet only
> half as sporty (in stock NADA form...)
>
> PS.......The racing 2000TC probably shaves seconds off his lap times
> with his icelert telling him when his ice cubes are ready for his next
> drink..........
> Bill Robertson
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From: DevlinS at bp.com (Devlin, Stewart (Contractor))
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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.........and the TWR SD1 Touring cars and the Rover/BRM gas turbine at Le Mans.
I also was glad to meet Dirk and many others I do not get to see very often at the National, a great weekend well organised. All concerned should be congratulated, the only thing they did not get right was the weather for the half hour of the presentations when it poured!
Stewart Devlin
-----Original Message-----
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Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp (that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more "bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From slatskars at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 17:35:06 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:35:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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I don't know about OZ, but in the late 50's early 60"s Volvo's were raced quite a bit. The old 444's and 544's as a sport sedan. Did quite well also. I still see a few at vintage races. My first new car was a 58 444. Price $2,400, engine 1600 cc dual SU's.
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From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:47:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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Gianluca,
You must be carefull about storing too many Rovers in close proximity. I believe that like MG's, they will breed and multiply!
Slats
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:16:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: ?R: ?Roman news and news from udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one, ?which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC, previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
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From geffandjulie at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 18:01:11 2009
From: geffandjulie at comcast.net (Geff McCarthy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:01:11 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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I saw the Rover BRM turbine at Brands Hatch in 1967. Think I had the
brochure from the race and gave it to ?? last year. At the time, my turbine
was a 7000lb J-57 iron lump made by Pratt and Whitney, attempting to propel
an overweight North American F-100, but...again...I digress. 7000lb weight,
not thrust...
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.........and the TWR SD1 Touring cars and the Rover/BRM gas turbine at Le
Mans.
I also was glad to meet Dirk and many others I do not get to see very often
at the National, a great weekend well organised. All concerned should be
congratulated, the only thing they did not get right was the weather for the
half hour of the presentations when it poured!
Stewart Devlin
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Sent: Mon 13/07/2009 20:15
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late
Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the
prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the
late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is
now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in
Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp
(that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
----- Original Message -----
From: David Walter
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying
to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual
market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's
etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is
that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong
following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's
carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover
P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales
manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag
at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible
and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more
"bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North
America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover
the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and
suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing
all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only
be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not
been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory
standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it.
For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in
the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car
to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration
as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your
expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses,
but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the
perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough
disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you
know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for
concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous
100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your
car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold
for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because
one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that
were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still
being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben
mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent
$42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area
where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on
into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no
one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 19:15:18 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:15:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover Values
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?Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
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That's what I was wondering...
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From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:45:18 -0400
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Eric Russell wrote:
> Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
> <SNIP>
> .........
> "I'm working on my roof today. Every time I go in and out of my front
> window, I sit at the computer for a couple of minutes. Hence all of my
> postings today!" </SNIP
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to use the door? ROFLMHO
>
There we go again! People think Canadians and Pennsylvanians have so
much in common, but down here our front doors lead out to the ground
floor and our second-floor windows open out onto the roof. The water
going down the drain still rotates in the same direction, though!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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> Gianluca,
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>
>
> You must be carefull about storing too many Rovers in close proximity.
> I believe that like MG's, they will breed and multiply!
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> Slats
>
And don't leave them sitting on a concrete floor or they will lose their
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From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Mon Jul 13 20:30:04 2009
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:00:04 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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Rover sure did go racing with the SD1 winning the BTCC and the ETCC but this hasn't translated into high values for the model 30 years on. SD1 values are still depressed although a rare genuine twin plenum Vitesse will command a few thousand more than a standard 3500.
Maybe because they were so common at one time and their reputation for build quality so poor.
In Australia the race winning (Bathurst) type four door saloon cars are commanding big bucks - early 1970s Ford Falcon GTHOs in particular are pulling hundreds of thousands, whilst restored 4 door Holden Torana L34s and 5000s are also doing well.
Rob
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Mike,
yes, there was some racing but there was no real concerted effort by a factory sponsored presence on the race track as Jaguar did for example. You forgot to mention that Rover did give a small attempt to Rally for at least one season and Roger Clark who rallied a 2000TC also drove it in the London to Sydney Marathon in 1968 ( I think it was '68) I went and saw the cars including Roger Clark's TC at the Lake Grace checkpoint in Western Australia, way out in the middle of nowhere.
So yes, there was competition by Rover but it was not enough to boost the image, and indeed considering Rover's very conservative client base the factory may actually have been embarrassed at any race track success.
Some years ago in Australia, Volvo sponsored a quite successful race car then withdrew their support as they felt the race winning didn't sit well with their customers who were buying a "safe, green and sensible car", not a sporty thing that won races.
David
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Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp (that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
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Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more "bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
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David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it. For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses, but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous 100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent $42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 - strange colour
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It is listed in the club's membership database as 'Copperleaf'
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Any idea ? (I?ve never seen this colour on a P6 before)
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From denlet at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 14 03:32:40 2009
From: denlet at wanadoo.fr (denlet)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:32:40 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 36
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Hello,
Please, have a look on french website:
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/58263127.htm?ca=11_s
You can see a rover P4 for about 1000$.
au revoir denis
From dirk at vy-tek.com Tue Jul 14 04:04:39 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 35
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Hello All,
I am back in the real world now having to have flown back to the states only
to have to leave early Tuesday morning for a business trip to Las Vegas.
The National was an absolute grand event with more P1s, P2s and even earlier
cars present then I have ever seen in one place. Mike, Paul and others out
did themselves it was truly the best event I have been to. It was great to
meet Stewart and see his 16/50. The only thing I can say is that I wish it
could have lasted 2 days with the cars gathered as I need about an hour with
each car owner!
I am also getting tiered of winning the furthest traveled RSR member award
so it is time that some of you stateside planned on coming with me next
year!!!!!!! Eric, Slats Glen, Vern, Kent not to mention names.
Lastly, David Walter I would love to see pictures of your car I hoping to
challenge you on Concours quality Rovers.
Warm Rover Regards to all,
Dirk
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From: "Devlin, Stewart (Contractor)" <DevlinS at bp.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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.........and the TWR SD1 Touring cars and the Rover/BRM gas turbine at Le
Mans.
I also was glad to meet Dirk and many others I do not get to see very often
at the National, a great weekend well organised. All concerned should be
congratulated, the only thing they did not get right was the weather for the
half hour of the presentations when it poured!
Stewart Devlin
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From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca on behalf of Mike Maher
Sent: Mon 13/07/2009 20:15
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late
Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the
prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the
late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is
now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in
Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp
(that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
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From: David Walter
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying
to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual
market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's
etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is
that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong
following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's
carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover
P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales
manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag
at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible
and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more
"bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North
America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover
the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and
suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing
all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only
be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not
been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory
standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it.
For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in
the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car
to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration
as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your
expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses,
but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the
perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough
disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you
know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for
concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous
100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your
car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold
for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because
one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that
were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still
being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben
mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent
$42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area
where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on
into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no
one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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I don't know about OZ, but in the late 50's early 60"s Volvo's were raced
quite a bit. The old 444's and 544's as a sport sedan. Did quite well also.
I still see a few at vintage races. My first new car was a 58 444. Price
$2,400, engine 1600 cc dual SU's.
Slats
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Gianluca,
You must be carefull about storing too many Rovers in close proximity. I
believe that like MG's, they will breed and multiply!
Slats
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:16:45 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: ?R: ?Roman news and news from udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale,
in good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo
one, ?which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC,
previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a
respray.
I could be tempted...
?
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:01:11 -0700
From: "Geff McCarthy" <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover Values
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I saw the Rover BRM turbine at Brands Hatch in 1967. Think I had the
brochure from the race and gave it to ?? last year. At the time, my turbine
was a 7000lb J-57 iron lump made by Pratt and Whitney, attempting to propel
an overweight North American F-100, but...again...I digress. 7000lb weight,
not thrust...
AvMedSafe
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.........and the TWR SD1 Touring cars and the Rover/BRM gas turbine at Le
Mans.
I also was glad to meet Dirk and many others I do not get to see very often
at the National, a great weekend well organised. All concerned should be
congratulated, the only thing they did not get right was the weather for the
half hour of the presentations when it poured!
Stewart Devlin
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Rover never went racing? Spen King, the late George Mackie and the late
Peter Wilks constructed and raced a Special racing car based on the
prototype P3 Chassis that was recovered from the dump at Solihull in the
late 40's early 50's. It was later raced by the late Frank Lockhart and is
now owned by Ian Glass.
BTW it was great to see Dirk at the RSR National Rally at Forde Abbey in
Somerset , UK at the weekend. We had over 80 cars ranging from a 1904 8hp
(that completed a road run on Saturday in pouring rain) to a late MG ZR.
best regards
Mike Maher
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46 PM
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Hi Glen,
No, rest assured I did not take any offence, like you I was merely trying
to establish the difference between cost of restoration and the actual
market value.
Its truly a pity that Rovers are an underdog to Jag's, MG;s, Triumph's
etc, I have often thought of this and the only good reason I can think of is
that Rover never went racing while the others did thus building a strong
following and reputation and a greater perceived monetary value.
I had a 1969 P5B Coupe for some time and it is truly a "Gentleman's
carriage" and I wish for another one one day.
It was a one owner and I was able to get and still have the original Rover
P5B sales brochure that was provided to the original buyer, the sales
manager had written the price a page. The price was $100 more than a XJ6 Jag
at the same time. Rovers were always considered very conservative, sensible
and luxiourous while a Jag was somewhat more of a statement and a had more
"bling".
I still want my P5B Coupe.
David
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From: Glen Wilson
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Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:22 AM
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David Walter wrote:
As the owner of probably the only Concourse standard P6 in North
America and one of the few in the world $4000 doesn't even begin to cover
the panel & paint costs without mentioning the engine, transmission and
suspension and of course don't forget the interior costs or even polishing
all the stainless steel trim and rechroming the bumpers.
David
David,
I don't recall anyone suggesting that a concours standard P6 would only
be worth $4,000. I think that number was attached to a car that had not
been restored but was in pretty decent shape, unmodified from factory
standard (original but not perfect), with a typical amount of mileage on it.
For a typical car such as this, $4,000 is a fairly typical selling price in
the USA or Canada.
Certainly, $4,000 would be much less than you spent to restore your car
to concours standard. I doubt, however, that you undertook this restoration
as a business proposition under which you expected to recover all of your
expenditures when you sold the car. You might well recover your expenses,
but only if you are willing to list the car for sale until you find the
perfect buyer, that is, someone who really loves the car and has enough
disposable income that "market value" is not a serious consideration. As you
know, there is no such thing (at least in the USA) as a "market value" for
concours standard P6's. MGB's and XKE's have "market value" because numerous
100-point cars change hands every year thereby establishing a number. Your
car would probably be, as you stated, unique in the USA. If your car sold
for what you have invested, it would not establish a "market value" because
one sale does not represent a pattern.
We have seen virtually perfect P6's offered for sale at high prices that
were significantly lower than what the seller had in the car that were still
being offered for sale years later. The person who restored the P4 that Ben
mentioned (which eventually sold for $3,500) told me that he had spent
$42,000 on that restoration. That car was restored in a geographic area
where high prices are routinely paid for special cars and was then sold on
into progressively smaller markets in a "worst of all worlds" scenario.
At any rate, please don't take offense at the $4,000 figure because no
one would ever attach that number to a car such as your.
Glen
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Jul 14 05:15:05 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:15:05 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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Dear friends,
I would be happy to see them breed, I 'd like to have more of them!
best regards, Gianluca.
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slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
Gianluca,
You must be carefull about storing too many Rovers in close proximity. I believe that like MG's, they will breed and multiply!
Slats
And don't leave them sitting on a concrete floor or they will lose their charge!
Glen
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From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:16:18 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Rover Values
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Beautifiul car.
I do like it.
Here in rome, nearby Piazza Bologna, there is a mechanic who has got one of them, I don' t know if he's the owner or if it belongs to a customer.
As new!
Best regards, Gianluca.
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I don't know about OZ, but in the late 50's early 60"s Volvo's were raced quite a bit. The old 444's and 544's as a sport sedan. Did quite well also. I still see a few at vintage races. My first new car was a 58 444. Price $2,400, engine 1600 cc dual SU's.
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From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:17:37 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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You' re right!
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ah gianluca ! roverites should be warned before entering the addiction... " lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate "
j.p. scoseria
-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in
good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one,
which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC,
previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident: :-)
Eric
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From: "gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com" <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other
side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these
cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very
difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at
he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio <http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml>
_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
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Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in
flames in Rome. Hope that wasn't your Rover collection :-(
Eric
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Jul 14 05:26:05 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:26:05 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: R: Roman news and news from udine
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Oppure:
quando il gioco si fa duro, i duri cominciano a giocare.
When the going gets tough... the tough gets going, isn' t it?
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ah gianluca ! roverites should be warned before entering the addiction... " lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate "
j.p. scoseria
-----Original Message-----
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in
good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one,
which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By the way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC,
previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident: :-)
Eric
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To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other
side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these
cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very
difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look at
he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio <http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml>
_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in
flames in Rome. Hope that wasn't your Rover collection :-(
Eric
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From jpsco44 at aol.com Tue Jul 14 13:44:43 2009
From: jpsco44 at aol.com (jpsco44 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:44:43 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: R: Roman news and news from
udine
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? that has a certain spaghetti western sound? , how about? this one " devi ricostruire i freni in dietro? - preparati la bara "
j.p. scoseria
-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2009 5:26 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: R: Roman news and news from udine
Oppure:
quando il gioco si fa duro, i duri cominciano a
giocare.
?
When the going gets tough... the tough gets going, isn' t
it?
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca
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jpsco44 at aol.com
Inviato: luned? 13 luglio 2009 18.09
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Roman news and news from udine
ah gianluca
!???? roverites should be warned before entering the
addiction... ? " lasciate ogni speranza? voi ch'entrate "
j.p.
scoseria
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, Jul 13, 2009
11:16 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Roman news and news from
udine
Yes, and in rome they' re quite rare.
There is another cameron green one parked nearby the Biblioteca Nazionale, in
good conditions but rarely used.
Probably the same owner has a yellow safrroon one, parked nearby the grreo one,
which now could have been scraped due to bad conditions.
By th
e way, and a friend of Udine is going to sell his 1974 yellow 2000 TC,
previously owned by another friend.
It is a good car who has been sitting for a couple of years and needs a respray.
I could be tempted...
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Inviato: luned? 13 luglio 2009 17.09
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Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Glad to hear that no Rovers were damaged in the incident:? :-)
Eric
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----- Original Message ----
From: "gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com" <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:47:40 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roman news
Dear Eric,
??? ??? very kind of you.
It was a scrapeyard with a legal dept for cars removed and so son, on the other
side of Rome, I live in northern Rome and this was on the Via Appia Nuova.
It could also have been an arson, but these cars were not valuable and in these
cases, with thousands of old cars and tyres and 40 ? C temperature, it is very
difficult to know the thruth.
Have a look at this klink, the artickle is in italian but you can have a look=2
0at
he photos:
http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie/cronaca/09_luglio_12/incendio
_appia_deposito_giudiziario-1601561390770.shtml
No problems for the rovers, they' re 7800 km far, in udine!!
Best regards, hear you soon, Gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
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di Eric Russell
Inviato: luned? 13 luglio 2009 3.19
A: INTERNATIONAL Rovernet
Oggetto: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Roman news
Gianluca,
Just watching a news flash noting that a garage full of cars has gone up in
flames in Rome. Hope?that wasn't your Rover collection? :-(
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From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jul 14 17:06:47 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:06:47 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover P6 - strange colour
Message-ID: <25344B8F04324BC79F60F33747580A19@SN037535920331>
Hi All
Just had confirmation from Joe, the owner of JXC 822D it is indeed Copperleaf nowadays, although it was originally City Grey and at one time Richard Martyn Hurst painted it a BMW green.
That said, Joe is hoping (with a tear in his eye) that, its goes to a good home where it will be appreciated for what it is.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From kkinard at att.net Thu Jul 16 18:10:04 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Front Flasher Lens
In-Reply-To: <DA.89.11978.54A114A4@cm-1.zoominternet.net>
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G. Warren Smith wrote:
> Thanks, Kent and all who offered to help. You are right; the lens I
> need is the one located _below_ the bumper. There isn't enough left of
> the original lens to see a number, but assuming it is the same as on
> the left side, that amber lens is marked "SAE DP 69 L839. It has a
> rectangular footprint and an angular face. My parts book lists it as
> (probably) #606648.
>
> Kent, I'm not in a great rush and a new one would be great, if
> available. Let me know the particulars. Best regards to all,
>
> Warren
Hi Warren,
I thought I would wait until I found the under bonnet decals, but I
haven't found them yet...must have put them in a very safe place...so I
sent the lens. Packing and UPS shipping was $20.24, so just pay the
shipping and the lens is free. PayPal if you do it. Check otherwise.
Tracking number is: 1z664W8W0338048469
Should arrive on the 21st.
Roverly,
Kent K.
From kkinard at att.net Thu Jul 16 18:40:21 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:40:21 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Front Flasher Lens
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Please excuse the post. It should have only gone to Warren -KK
From vern at inkspotco.com Thu Jul 16 18:49:43 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:49:43 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Front Flasher Lens
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Oh Oh, cats out of the bag now Kent. You're a softy on the charging
for parts thing. About that set of tinted glass...
Yours
Vern
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From kkinard at att.net Thu Jul 16 19:29:25 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Front Flasher Lens
In-Reply-To: <420BBD7F-317B-423A-84EA-101CD109BC43@inkspotco.com>
References: <mailman.18.1245684931.13910.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca> <DA.89.11978.54A114A4@cm-1.zoominternet.net> <4A5FA53C.4030403@att.net>
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Hi Vern,
I really didn't think it was a secret! Glass is yours free if you come
get it!!!
Better make sure I have a full set, first.
Roverly,
Kent K.
Vern Klukas wrote:
> Oh Oh, cats out of the bag now Kent. You're a softy on the charging
> for parts thing. About that set of tinted glass...
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 16-Jul-09, at 3:40 PM, Kent Kinard wrote:
From goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 20:50:22 2009
From: goodmedicinedr at hotmail.com (Dennis Brooks)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:50:22 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fiberglass P6 sills...
Message-ID: <COL114-W252B6274255E6D89D2CB4CDE1E0@phx.gbl>
Hi there folks...
There is just over 2 hrs left on the ebay auction for the fiberglass P6 sills and the water pump too...
If you need either of these ...the prices are very low...so they could be a decent bargain.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=180381440954
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From englishmn at verizon.net Fri Jul 17 11:12:14 2009
From: englishmn at verizon.net (peter & nancy)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] battery cables
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l have a 66 -3 Litre saloon
and has been in the garage for quite some time with no batt in it the clamp are missing on both cables
cant remember if she is pos =grd? or neg= grd just been too long on her
peter
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From peter at king-co.com Fri Jul 17 11:17:03 2009
From: peter at king-co.com (peter king)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
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Nice P5 on ebay, in NC.
Item number: 230357442489
Peter
peter king + company
21 drydock avenue
boston, ma 02210
617-292-7877
www.king-co.com
From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Fri Jul 17 11:37:42 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:37:42 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
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Very nice.
Very interesting.
I prefer the coup?, but this one , if original, could be also a 10.000 $ piece.
Best regards, Gianluca.
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Nice P5 on ebay, in NC.
Item number: 230357442489
Peter
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From britcarnut at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 12:19:37 2009
From: britcarnut at yahoo.com (Geoff Kirkpatrick)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
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That North Carolina P5 looks really nice. It's on the other side of the country from me, but still tempting. The big concern in my view is rust. The one close-up shot of the left front wheel area looks nice, so it may be OK, but with a UK import like this one rust is the big question. But that interior is awfully nice, and the dark blue suits the car well. Oh dear, I feel my itchy ebay finger getting agitated....
On the other hand, it is an automatic. My P5 Coupe is an auto, and every time I drive it I yearn for a manual. Maybe I can resist -
Geoff
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From david at davidwalter.net Fri Jul 17 12:25:09 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
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Hi Ben,
I cant believe it, on Wednesday I was within 200 yards of your place ! If I
had realized I would have called and stopped by to see your P5.
Best regards
David Walter
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To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
>
> That North Carolina P5 looks really nice. It's on the other side of the
> country from me, but still tempting. The big concern in my view is rust.
> The one close-up shot of the left front wheel area looks nice, so it may
> be OK, but with a UK import like this one rust is the big question. But
> that interior is awfully nice, and the dark blue suits the car well. Oh
> dear, I feel my itchy ebay finger getting agitated....
>
> On the other hand, it is an automatic. My P5 Coupe is an auto, and every
> time I drive it I yearn for a manual. Maybe I can resist -
>
> Geoff
>
> "This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be
> of no possible service to him."
> - William Lyon Phelps
>
> Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
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From slatskars at comcast.net Fri Jul 17 12:34:19 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:34:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] battery cables
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My 64 3 Litre is Positive ground, if that helps. Do you have an owners manual or wiring diagram that might indicate which polarity it is? If it has a generator rather than an alternator, there is a strong change that it is Positive. MG did not switch over until 1968, when they went with an alternator.
Slats
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] battery cables
l have a 66 -3 Litre saloon
and has been in the garage for quite some time with no batt in it the clamp are missing on both cables
cant remember if she is pos =grd? or neg= grd just been too long on her
peter
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Fri Jul 17 13:09:19 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:09:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
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Interestingly this vehicle is still on the DVLA website. It is showing has "liability due" 1st Sep 1985 which is in effect when the last road tax disc ran out?so it must have still been in the UK around this time. If you click the link below and?enter the reg no and make?it will bring the information the DVLA alows you to see (which aint much) Fortunately for me it is not the "golden egg" Juliet and I have been looking for, namely a Rover registered on her birth date (30th Sep 1963) but it does come close being registered on 6th Sep 1963......24 days later and i could've been hiring a shipping container!!! Phew close shave or what !!!!! ;)
http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/application?origin=vehicleEnquiryInfo_en.jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.portlet.event&pageid=Vehicle+Enquiry&portletid=VehicleEnquiry&portletns=VehicleEnquiry_en&wfevent=link.next
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To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 4:17:03 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
Nice P5 on ebay, in NC.
Item number: 230357442489
Peter
peter king + company
21 drydock avenue
boston, ma 02210
617-292-7877
www.king-co.com
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 17 13:17:59 2009
From: irishrover1 at sympatico.ca (BEN RODGERS)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:17:59 -0300
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 1963 P5 on ebay (US)
References: <373970.49315.qm@web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Dave
Did you mean you were on PEI? What a shame we nevr had the
opportunity to meet. You might have been disappointed I sold the P5 about
three years ago and now have a very nice 71 TC series two.
regards Ben.
Visit our website and blog at
www.irishroversbooks.com
From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Fri Jul 17 13:20:10 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:20:10 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover on Ebay
Message-ID: <462130.60425.qm@web86003.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Sorry the link won't work as it times out. Click this one and click on vehicle enquiry.
http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/index.jsp
?Alan Francis (partviking)
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Mon Jul 20 06:35:23 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:35:23 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 Estate / video clip
References: <25344B8F04324BC79F60F33747580A19@SN037535920331>
Message-ID: <39F2BCDA584D4DC885CB630CE37DA178@rw>
http://www.youtube.com/user/classicrovernl#play/all/uploads-all/1/90JQbce5gZc
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Mon Jul 20 11:38:28 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:38:28 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Not rover contents - running nun
In-Reply-To: <39F2BCDA584D4DC885CB630CE37DA178@rw>
References: <25344B8F04324BC79F60F33747580A19@SN037535920331>
<39F2BCDA584D4DC885CB630CE37DA178@rw>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025810BE@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
http://www.italiainformazioni.com/giornale/cronaca/58501/allora-autostra
da-suore-multate-preoccupate-salute-papa-volata-torino-aosta-ansa-torino
.htm
A 180 all'ora in autostrada, una suora multata
"Ero preoccupata per la salute del Papa"
Tre suore in auto a 180 all'ora in autostrada. Una pattuglia le ferma e
la conducente spiega: eravamo preoccupate per la salute del Papa. La
scusa, per quanto evidente fosse lo stato di agitazione delle tre, non
e' sembrata sufficiente agli agenti.
La suora spericolata, 56 anni, che da Torino voleva raggiungere Aosta a
tempo di record, non ha evitato una multa di 375 euro e la sospensione
della patente per un mese. Per completare il viaggio si e' messa alla
guida una consorella di 65 anni.
Translation:
Nun drives 180 km / h, stopped by the police declares:
I was worried for the health of the pope and I was going to Aosta to see
him.
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From jpsco44 at aol.com Mon Jul 20 17:10:47 2009
From: jpsco44 at aol.com (jpsco44 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:10:47 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Not rover contents - running nun
In-Reply-To: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025810BE@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
References: <25344B8F04324BC79F60F33747580A19@SN037535920331><39F2BCDA584D4DC885CB630CE37DA178@rw>
<AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025810BE@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
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was the nun driving a 2000tc or a 3500s ?
-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:38 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Not rover contents - running nun
http://www.italiainformazioni.com/giornale/cronaca/58501/allora-autostra
da-suore-multate-preoccupate-salute-papa-volata-torino-aosta-ansa-torino
.htm
A 180 all'ora in autostrada, una suora multata
"Ero preoccupata per la salute del Papa"
Tre suore in auto a 180 all'ora in autostrada. Una pattuglia le ferma e
la conducente spiega: eravamo preoccupate per la salute del Papa. La
scusa, per quanto evidente fosse lo stato di agitazione delle tre, non
e' sembrata sufficiente agli agenti.
La suora spericolata, 56 anni, che da Torino voleva raggiungere Aosta a
tempo di record, non ha evitato una multa di 375 euro e la sospensione
della patente per un mese. Per completare il viaggio si e' messa alla
guida una consorella di 65 anni.
Translation:
Nun drives 180 km / h, stopped by the police declares:
I was worried for the health of the pope and I was going to Aosta to see
him.
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From kkinard at att.net Mon Jul 20 22:30:48 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 underbonnet stickers
In-Reply-To: <63A32F2CE47042E3A7C758547AF80730@DavidVista>
References: <4A4A63CA.6050707@att.net> <4A4AC0FE.5060508@att.net>
<63A32F2CE47042E3A7C758547AF80730@DavidVista>
Message-ID: <4A652858.1030806@att.net>
Hi David,
I have the ones for the V8 at $5.50, but you have to supply your own
adhesive :-)
Roverly,
Kent K.
David Walter wrote:
> hi Kent,
>
> do you have the big red sticker for the top of the radiator cowling ?
> part No. 371018
>
> David
From kkinard at att.net Mon Jul 20 22:44:28 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
In-Reply-To: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
Message-ID: <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
Hi Dirk,
I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
"service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that
goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through
'69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal
coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the
red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Hi Kent,
>
> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you have
> them.
>
> Thanks
> Dirk
From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Jul 21 06:42:39 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:42:39 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Doors and garages
In-Reply-To: <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
<4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025C013E@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/multimedia.asp?p=1&pm=&IDmsezione=25&IDalbum=19412&tipo=FOTOGALLERY#mpos
For the door of the garage.
Do you like these photos?
There could be also a Rover, inside and outside.
Best regards, gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per conto di Kent Kinard
Inviato: marted? 21 luglio 2009 4.44
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
Hi Dirk,
I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big "service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through '69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Hi Kent,
>
> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
> have them.
>
> Thanks
> Dirk
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From david at davidwalter.net Tue Jul 21 11:21:21 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
In-Reply-To: <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
<4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
Message-ID: <06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista>
Hi Kent,
If you still have one I would like on of the red radiator stickers please,
Thanks
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
> Hi Dirk,
> I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
> "service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that
> goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through
> '69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal
> coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the
> red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
>
>
> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>> Hi Kent,
>>
>> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
>> have
>> them.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dirk
>
>
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Tue Jul 21 13:19:59 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:19:59 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 43
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1248192006.442.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <C1C073CDE49245019B336295FE16FFC3@DirkPC2>
Hi Kent,
I will take a couple sets of all of them and then decide what I need. Just
let me know how much to send you or send along a note with what I owe and I
will send it right off to you.
I will be sending out a new RoverPhiles pretty soon with highlights from
RoveAmerica and also my recent visit to the RSR national at Forde Abbey. A
fantastic event!!!!! Anything you would like to add?
Hope you are well
Dirk
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: R: Not rover contents - running nun (jpsco44 at aol.com)
2. Re: P6 underbonnet stickers (Kent Kinard)
3. Re: Stickers (Kent Kinard)
4. R: Doors and garages (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
5. Re: Stickers (David Walter)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:10:47 -0400
From: jpsco44 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Not rover contents -
running nun
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
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was the nun driving a 2000tc or a 3500s ?
-----Original Message-----
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 11:38 am
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Not rover contents - running nun
http://www.italiainformazioni.com/giornale/cronaca/58501/allora-autostra
da-suore-multate-preoccupate-salute-papa-volata-torino-aosta-ansa-torino
.htm
A 180 all'ora in autostrada, una suora multata "Ero preoccupata per la
salute del Papa"
Tre suore in auto a 180 all'ora in autostrada. Una pattuglia le ferma e la
conducente spiega: eravamo preoccupate per la salute del Papa. La scusa, per
quanto evidente fosse lo stato di agitazione delle tre, non e' sembrata
sufficiente agli agenti.
La suora spericolata, 56 anni, che da Torino voleva raggiungere Aosta a
tempo di record, non ha evitato una multa di 375 euro e la sospensione della
patente per un mese. Per completare il viaggio si e' messa alla guida una
consorella di 65 anni.
Translation:
Nun drives 180 km / h, stopped by the police declares:
I was worried for the health of the pope and I was going to Aosta to see
him.
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:30:48 -0500
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 underbonnet stickers
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Hi David,
I have the ones for the V8 at $5.50, but you have to supply your own
adhesive :-)
Roverly,
Kent K.
David Walter wrote:
> hi Kent,
>
> do you have the big red sticker for the top of the radiator cowling ?
> part No. 371018
>
> David
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:28 -0500
From: Kent Kinard <kkinard at att.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <4A652B8C.4080305 at att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Dirk,
I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
"service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that
goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through
'69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal
coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the
red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Hi Kent,
>
> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
have
> them.
>
> Thanks
> Dirk
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:42:39 +0200
From: <gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Doors and garages
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Message-ID:
<AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025C013E at E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
http://www.lastampa.it/multimedia/multimedia.asp?p=1&pm=&IDmsezione=25&IDalb
um=19412&tipo=FOTOGALLERY#mpos
For the door of the garage.
Do you like these photos?
There could be also a Rover, inside and outside.
Best regards, gianluca.
-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] Per
conto di Kent Kinard
Inviato: marted? 21 luglio 2009 4.44
A: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Oggetto: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
Hi Dirk,
I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
"service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that goes
above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through '69)or late
(70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal coat of arms.
The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the red instruction
placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Hi Kent,
>
> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
> have them.
>
> Thanks
> Dirk
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:21:21 -0700
From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Message-ID: <06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D at DavidVista>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Hi Kent,
If you still have one I would like on of the red radiator stickers please,
Thanks
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
> Hi Dirk,
> I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
> "service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that
> goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through
> '69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal
> coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the
> red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted spare.
>
>
> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>> Hi Kent,
>>
>> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
>> have
>> them.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dirk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Wed Jul 22 05:50:00 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:50:00 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover SD1 1978 new
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e=ADME:B:WNA:IT:1123
ROVER SD1 1978 2.6S, 17 Miles from new !!! UNBELIEVABLE Numero oggetto:
160348810272
It isreally unbelievable!!
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From RoverP6 at gmx.de Wed Jul 22 05:56:50 2009
From: RoverP6 at gmx.de (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:56:50 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover SD1 1978 new
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Would like to see a Rover P6 with such a low mileage :-))
Rudiger
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>
> http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160348810272&ssPageNam
> e=ADME:B:WNA:IT:1123
>
>
> ROVER SD1 1978 2.6S, 17 Miles from new !!! UNBELIEVABLE Numero
> oggetto:
> 160348810272
>
> It isreally unbelievable!!
>
> Best regards, Gianluca.
>
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From lafbery at telus.net Wed Jul 22 12:38:31 2009
From: lafbery at telus.net (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
Message-ID: <14C4568A214D46EC82CF996D03097864@ChloePC>
Hi All, Really our UK members.
I have just been on the UK DVLA site and have found out that a 1939 Rover
14, registration number KML 593 that I owned in 1968-9 is taxed and on the
road. I was wondering if the owner is by chance on Rovernet.
Barry
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jul 22 13:11:49 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:11:49 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Message-ID: <438B6D58637044509250D082B137EFA6@SN037535920331>
Hi
I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom has been chopped about too much to re-use.
Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
editor at p6club.com
Club line 01902 689975
Mobile 078 333 48030
Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008
Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration Show 2006.
Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2007
Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 14:38:03 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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No offense to you, Mark, but is it possible to ship a rust-free American
car half-way around the world, restore it, and then not be able to find
someone to repair the wiring? What might this member be willing to pay
for said wiring harness? I hope it will be enough fund the restoration
of some third car in the USA since the car that the harness comes out of
will immediately be converted to scrap metal. I thought the UK was full
of "little men" whom the landed gentry could engage to take care of such
things. They usually live in little cottages just outside the walls.
Glen
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Hi
> I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get
> hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with
> aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a
> couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom
> has been chopped about too much to re-use.
> Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
>
> Speak Soon
> Warmest regards
> Mark
>
> Mark Gray
> Editor, Driving Force
> The Rover P6 Club
> www.p6club.com <http://www.p6club.com>
> editor at p6club.com <mailto:editor at p6club.com>
> Club line 01902 689975
> Mobile 078 333 48030
>
> Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration
> Show, Donington 2008
> Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration
> Show 2006.
> Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike
> Restoration Show, Donington 2007
> Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
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From kkinard at att.net Wed Jul 22 14:57:00 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Mark,
Ask the club member to contact me directly. I have several cars that
would be suitable donors.
Roverly,
Kent Kinard
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Hi
> I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get
> hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with
> aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a
> couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom
> has been chopped about too much to re-use.
> Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
>
> Speak Soon
> Warmest regards
> Mark
>
> Mark Gray
> Editor, Driving Force
> The Rover P6 Club
> www.p6club.com <http://www.p6club.com>
> editor at p6club.com <mailto:editor at p6club.com>
> Club line 01902 689975
> Mobile 078 333 48030
>
> Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration
> Show, Donington 2008
> Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration
> Show 2006.
> Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike
> Restoration Show, Donington 2007
> Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Wed Jul 22 15:02:26 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:02:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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I?suspect Mark was probably thinking of the likes of James @ jaguars sth who may well have a new old stock harness on the shelf, I'm sure he wouldn't want one of the few cars?left in the US scrapped to provide a harness. I can understand the logic of posting on here, highly unlikely you'll find one anywhere but more likely to be in the US and basket case rust buckets exist on your side of the pond too and maybe the owner would be only to glad to find some value in the harness.
The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed down by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and health and safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
Still as a result of this legislation we'll all live to be over 100 years old at which point of course the same legislators will decide there's not enough money and resources on the planet and like Logans Run we'll all be invited to fizzle out!!!!!
Ooops I feel a chain of discussion has started! :) :) :)
Alan Francis (partviking)
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From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 7:38:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
No offense to you, Mark, but is it possible to ship a rust-free American car half-way around the world, restore it, and then not be able to find someone to repair the wiring? What might this member be willing to pay for said wiring harness? I hope it will be enough fund the restoration of some third car in the USA since the car that the harness comes out of will immediately be converted to scrap metal. I thought the UK was full of "little men" whom the landed gentry could engage to take care of such things. They usually live in little cottages just outside the walls.
Glen
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Hi
>I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom has been chopped about too much to re-use.
>Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
>
>Speak Soon
>Warmest regards
>Mark
>
>Mark Gray
>Editor, Driving Force
>The Rover P6 Club
>www.p6club.com
>editor at p6club.com
>Club line 01902 689975
>Mobile 078 333 48030
>
>Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008
>Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the? National Restoration Show 2006.
>Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2007
>Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
>
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From ClairHUCTelecomsEng at uk.bp.com Wed Jul 22 15:54:08 2009
From: ClairHUCTelecomsEng at uk.bp.com (Clair, Telecoms Eng)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:54:08 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
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Barry,
I have details of the recent history of your car. I'll contact you
offline.
Stewart Devlin
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca]
On Behalf Of Barry & Shirley Lafbery
Sent: 22 July 2009 17:39
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
Hi All, Really our UK members.
I have just been on the UK DVLA site and have found out that a 1939
Rover 14, registration number KML 593 that I owned in 1968-9 is taxed
and on the road. I was wondering if the owner is by chance on Rovernet.
Barry
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 16:21:27 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
In-Reply-To: <725231.81689.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <438B6D58637044509250D082B137EFA6@SN037535920331> <4A675C8B.80401@comcast.net>
<725231.81689.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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Partviking wrote:
> The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed
> down by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and
> health and safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
>
Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time...
Maybe the thread should be about Rover model nomenclature. What's a 3500
NADA? I rushed to the assumption that we were talking about a P6 because
of Mark's club association, but a 3500 NADA would be an SD1. We
certainly have a lot of engineless SD1's littering the landscape over
here. I thought Mark was referring to a Federal 3500S of the P6
variety, or maybe James Taylor misread the Rover factory records when he
published the production records.
I doubt that anyone in the USA has a new old stock 3500 or 3500S wiring
harness sitting on the shelf, however. One of the reasons Rover went
under over here was an unwillingness to invest properly in a parts
distribution plan, and full wiring harnesses were probably not the first
priority. Or maybe they were. Who knows what they were thinking?
At any rate, I guess it's good to know that someone in the UK has given
an auto restoration shop a blank check to restore some sort of a Rover
saloon. I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process
by replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or
her own approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a
little man from the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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From sdibdin at hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 16:32:41 2009
From: sdibdin at hotmail.com (Steven Dibdin)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:32:41 +0000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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References: <438B6D58637044509250D082B137EFA6@SN037535920331>
<4A675C8B.80401@comcast.net> <725231.81689.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
<4A6774C7.8060106@comcast.net>
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Hi Guys,
Little men in shed:
http://thewiringharness.co.uk/contactus.htm
Not sure about prices but I think these are the guys that Practical Classics visited earlier this year. Will remake any loom.
Cheers,
Steven
From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 16:40:17 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Mark,
On the RCCC website under "Parts" there is a link to an outfit which does wiring looms.? I emailed him once and he seems very amiable and helpful.
Start here:
http://www.roverclub.ca/wiring.htm
Eric
?Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website:? http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
http://www.websrus.ca
?
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From: "p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk" <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:11:49 AM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi
I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom has been chopped about too much to re-use.
Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
?
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
editor at p6club.com
Club line 01902 689975
Mobile 078 333 48030
Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2008
Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the? National Restoration Show 2006.
Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show, Donington 2007
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 16:49:02 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W296C1F4A486507731C570DB01B0@phx.gbl>
References: <438B6D58637044509250D082B137EFA6@SN037535920331>
<4A675C8B.80401@comcast.net>
<725231.81689.qm@web86001.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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Excellent link, Steven.
I've just added that to our Parts page.
It looks like there is a choice between UK and USA suppliers. Something good should come with options :-)
Eric
?Webmaster of The Rover Car Club of Canada
Website: http://www.roverclub.ca/
Webmaster of a variety of sites from:
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----- Original Message ----
From: Steven Dibdin <sdibdin at hotmail.com>
To: RoverNet <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:32:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi Guys,
Little men in shed:
http://thewiringharness.co.uk/contactus.htm
Not sure about prices but I think these are the guys that Practical Classics visited earlier this year. Will remake any loom.
Cheers,
Steven
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From michael.maher at virgin.net Wed Jul 22 16:50:35 2009
From: michael.maher at virgin.net (Mike Maher)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:50:35 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
References: <14C4568A214D46EC82CF996D03097864@ChloePC>
Message-ID: <003501ca0b0e$104ed550$0201a8c0@miked77a6a71f0>
Hi Barry,
The car is known to the RSR, I have no record of an email address for the
owner unfortunately
Mike Maher
RSR Chairman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry & Shirley Lafbery" <lafbery at telus.net>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
> Hi All, Really our UK members.
> I have just been on the UK DVLA site and have found out that a 1939
> Rover 14, registration number KML 593 that I owned in 1968-9 is taxed and
> on the road. I was wondering if the owner is by chance on Rovernet.
>
> Barry
>
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From michael.maher at virgin.net Wed Jul 22 16:54:10 2009
From: michael.maher at virgin.net (Mike Maher)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:10 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
References: <438B6D58637044509250D082B137EFA6@SN037535920331>
<4A675C8B.80401@comcast.net>
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Mark,
Have you tried Autosparks in Long Eaton?
rgds
Mike Maher
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
No offense to you, Mark, but is it possible to ship a rust-free American car half-way around the world, restore it, and then not be able to find someone to repair the wiring? What might this member be willing to pay for said wiring harness? I hope it will be enough fund the restoration of some third car in the USA since the car that the harness comes out of will immediately be converted to scrap metal. I thought the UK was full of "little men" whom the landed gentry could engage to take care of such things. They usually live in little cottages just outside the walls.
Glen
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Hi
I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom has been chopped about too much to re-use.
Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From lafbery at telus.net Wed Jul 22 17:20:12 2009
From: lafbery at telus.net (Barry & Shirley Lafbery)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:20:12 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover search
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Thanks for email about my car. I have heard from another
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going to email me.
Barry
From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 17:40:15 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:40:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Glen,
We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto and an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well as I do.
Slats
Glen wilson wrote:
I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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From defender110 at ozemail.com.au Wed Jul 22 17:49:15 2009
From: defender110 at ozemail.com.au (David Read)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:19:15 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Slats
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Glen,
>
>
>
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles (a Ford Pinto and an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! I do have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well as I do.
>
>
>
> Slats
More electrical info here ....
http://www.suslik.org/Humour/FirstAid/fa1.html#electric
Cheers
Dave South Oz
From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 20:16:11 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Perhaps the owner wants a concourse level restoration where the wires connecting to the components look fresh.? Another way to have a similar result is to have a spare harness or two from parts cars. Strip off the black or fabric covering of the parts harness and extract the individual wires. The wire underneath the harness covering will be fresh.
On your restoration, strip back the outer covering of the harness just enough to get to the fresh colour. Obtain some heat-shrink tubing just big enough to go over the size wire you are treating.? You can cut back, strip and solder a new length of fresh coloured wire to your existing wire the correct length.? Use fresh terminals from non-exposed areas of the car and solder to the ends of the wire. When all your wiring is complete, rewrap your wiring harness in either black vinyl tape or the special black tape which is stretchable and sticks to itself.
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Glen,
?
We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto and an MGB), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a harness in an MG Magnett. That was a major job, just pulling it. He replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well as I do.
?
Slats
Glen wilson wrote:
?
I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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From slatskars at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 20:16:31 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Dave,
Very good! I will have to share some of it with my RN wife.
Slats
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From david at davidwalter.net Wed Jul 22 20:24:52 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Well, when I restored my P6B I removed the complete harness which is not at all difficult, strung it out between several posts and extensions in the garage, where the connectors at the end were damaged or changed I cut it off an fitted a good connector and insulating cover, if it looked like it was going to be too short I had another old harness in reserve (all the colour coding is consistent, and usually over several build years) I soldered a length of good wire on and taped the joint which is hidden in the harness. The I stripped all the old harness tape off and re bound the full harness with new tape. The power windows =need a separate harness but it is no trouble either.
As someone else said unless its burnt a harness is not really that hard, the interior portion is usually in excellent condition anyway. How do I know this ? I have removed perhaps 12 harnesses and rebound 4.
It is a little tedious with lots of wires all over the place but the Rover schematic is excellent and easy to follow .
David
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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Partviking wrote:
The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed down by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and health and safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time...
Maybe the thread should be about Rover model nomenclature. What's a 3500 NADA? I rushed to the assumption that we were talking about a P6 because of Mark's club association, but a 3500 NADA would be an SD1. We certainly have a lot of engineless SD1's littering the landscape over here. I thought Mark was referring to a Federal 3500S of the P6 variety, or maybe James Taylor misread the Rover factory records when he published the production records.
I doubt that anyone in the USA has a new old stock 3500 or 3500S wiring harness sitting on the shelf, however. One of the reasons Rover went under over here was an unwillingness to invest properly in a parts distribution plan, and full wiring harnesses were probably not the first priority. Or maybe they were. Who knows what they were thinking?
At any rate, I guess it's good to know that someone in the UK has given an auto restoration shop a blank check to restore some sort of a Rover saloon. I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 23:08:00 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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<SNIP> .............."?Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time..."
GLEN? YOU? Grumpy?............ ever ........ surely you jest....!
ROFLMHO
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 23:23:48 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Eric Russell wrote:
> *From:* Glen Wilson rovercar at comcast.net <mailto:rovercar at comcast.net>
>
> <SNIP> .............." Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time..."
>
> GLEN? YOU? Grumpy?............ ever ........ surely you jest....!
>
> ROFLMHO
>
> Eric
You kids with your funny texting abbreviations....
Let me see...ROFL was some sort of hair replacement scheme from the
Burma Shave era.
MHO...Could be "Mahalo" which is a very courteous word my Hawaiian
friend uses when I buy ukulele strings from him. I think it means,
"Thank you."
ROFLMHO could be, "Thanks for the toupee."
Given that it's from Eric, it probably means, "My toupee thanks you."
Don't know how those sixth-graders ever figured out what their homework
assignments were.
;-)
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From rovercar at comcast.net Wed Jul 22 23:32:17 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:32:17 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Mark Gray
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Dear Mark,
I sincerely apologize for jumping all over your post this afternoon.
Your request inadvertently pressed a couple of my buttons, and I should
have held my tongue. Sorry if I offended you or caused you to have an
unpleasant experience on the Rovernet.
Glen
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jul 23 04:46:57 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:46:57 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term I should have used was Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Thu Jul 23 06:42:44 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:42:44 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
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Hello Guys,
Well I could not help but weigh in on this subject. A new wiring harness
from Auto sparks in the UK will cost about 200 GBPs for the P6. If you are
going into a resto knowing you have electrical problems and it is not quick
paint job then YES, replace the harness it is not as bad as everyone leads
you to believe but it will take a couple weekends to get right. I have done
2 in 3 years having done the P3 I now plan to do my P5 and P4 in the next 6
months.
Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
For what it is worth
Dirk
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for email about my car. I have heard from another
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going to email me.
Barry
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Glen,
We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I
have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto and
an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I
will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do
have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
well as I do.
Slats
Glen wilson wrote:
I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own
approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:19:15 +0930
From: David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Slats
slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Glen,
>
>
>
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I
have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles (a Ford Pinto and
an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I
will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! I do
have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
well as I do.
>
>
>
> Slats
More electrical info here ....
http://www.suslik.org/Humour/FirstAid/fa1.html#electric
Cheers
Dave South Oz
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Perhaps the owner wants a concourse level restoration where the wires
connecting to the components look fresh.? Another way to have a similar
result is to have a spare harness or two from parts cars. Strip off the
black or fabric covering of the parts harness and extract the individual
wires. The wire underneath the harness covering will be fresh.
On your restoration, strip back the outer covering of the harness just
enough to get to the fresh colour. Obtain some heat-shrink tubing just big
enough to go over the size wire you are treating.? You can cut back, strip
and solder a new length of fresh coloured wire to your existing wire the
correct length.? Use fresh terminals from non-exposed areas of the car and
solder to the ends of the wire. When all your wiring is complete, rewrap
your wiring harness in either black vinyl tape or the special black tape
which is stretchable and sticks to itself.
Eric
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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Glen,
?
We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames. I
have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto and
an MGB), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
harness in an MG Magnett. That was a major job, just pulling it. He replaced
it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will
have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have
repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The
really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow along
the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do have
to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well
as I do.
?
Slats
Glen wilson wrote:
?
I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own
approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:16:31 +0000 (UTC)
From: slatskars at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Dave,
Very good! I will have to share some of it with my RN wife.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:24:52 -0700
From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Well, when I restored my P6B I removed the complete harness which is not at
all difficult, strung it out between several posts and extensions in the
garage, where the connectors at the end were damaged or changed I cut it
off an fitted a good connector and insulating cover, if it looked like it
was going to be too short I had another old harness in reserve (all the
colour coding is consistent, and usually over several build years) I
soldered a length of good wire on and taped the joint which is hidden in the
harness. The I stripped all the old harness tape off and re bound the full
harness with new tape. The power windows =need a separate harness but it is
no trouble either.
As someone else said unless its burnt a harness is not really that hard, the
interior portion is usually in excellent condition anyway. How do I know
this ? I have removed perhaps 12 harnesses and rebound 4.
It is a little tedious with lots of wires all over the place but the Rover
schematic is excellent and easy to follow .
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Wilson
To: Partviking ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Partviking wrote:
The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed down
by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and health and
safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time...
Maybe the thread should be about Rover model nomenclature. What's a 3500
NADA? I rushed to the assumption that we were talking about a P6 because of
Mark's club association, but a 3500 NADA would be an SD1. We certainly have
a lot of engineless SD1's littering the landscape over here. I thought Mark
was referring to a Federal 3500S of the P6 variety, or maybe James Taylor
misread the Rover factory records when he published the production records.
I doubt that anyone in the USA has a new old stock 3500 or 3500S wiring
harness sitting on the shelf, however. One of the reasons Rover went under
over here was an unwillingness to invest properly in a parts distribution
plan, and full wiring harnesses were probably not the first priority. Or
maybe they were. Who knows what they were thinking?
At any rate, I guess it's good to know that someone in the UK has given an
auto restoration shop a blank check to restore some sort of a Rover saloon.
I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her own
approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
the village., She knew how to get things done.
;-)
Glen
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From rovercar at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 08:26:43 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
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Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
Holy smokes!
;-)
Glen
From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Thu Jul 23 08:31:58 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:31:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
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Crikey! Bet you must have an NOS 2000 block immersion heater as well then !!! ;)
Alan Francis (partviking)
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Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 1:26:43 PM
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Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
Holy smokes!
;-)
Glen
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From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:50:52 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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mark,
I forgot to add that the A/C has a separate harness as well and I think 2 relays, the power windows need 1 relay
If Dirk has a NOS grab it with both hands and say thanks.
David
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term I should have used was Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
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Hi Dirk,
did you receive the photos of my P6B the other week ?
David
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To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
> Hello Guys,
>
> Well I could not help but weigh in on this subject. A new wiring harness
> from Auto sparks in the UK will cost about 200 GBPs for the P6. If you are
> going into a resto knowing you have electrical problems and it is not
> quick
> paint job then YES, replace the harness it is not as bad as everyone leads
> you to believe but it will take a couple weekends to get right. I have
> done
> 2 in 3 years having done the P3 I now plan to do my P5 and P4 in the next
> 6
> months.
>
> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
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> going to email me.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:40:15 +0000 (UTC)
> From: slatskars at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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>
>
> Glen,
>
>
>
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories.
> I
> will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
> have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
> The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I
> do
> have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
> well as I do.
>
>
>
> Slats
>
>
> Glen wilson wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>
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> From: David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au>
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> Hi Slats
>
>
> slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Glen,
>>
>>
>>
>> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles (a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories.
> I
> will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
> have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
> The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! I
> do
> have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
> well as I do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
>
> More electrical info here ....
> http://www.suslik.org/Humour/FirstAid/fa1.html#electric
>
> Cheers
> Dave South Oz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Message-ID: <778460.22159.qm at web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Perhaps the owner wants a concourse level restoration where the wires
> connecting to the components look fresh.? Another way to have a similar
> result is to have a spare harness or two from parts cars. Strip off the
> black or fabric covering of the parts harness and extract the individual
> wires. The wire underneath the harness covering will be fresh.
>
> On your restoration, strip back the outer covering of the harness just
> enough to get to the fresh colour. Obtain some heat-shrink tubing just big
> enough to go over the size wire you are treating.? You can cut back, strip
> and solder a new length of fresh coloured wire to your existing wire the
> correct length.? Use fresh terminals from non-exposed areas of the car and
> solder to the ends of the wire. When all your wiring is complete, rewrap
> your wiring harness in either black vinyl tape or the special black tape
> which is stretchable and sticks to itself.
>
> Eric
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
> Glen,
> ?
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett. That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced
> it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will
> have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have
> repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The
> really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along
> the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do
> have
> to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well
> as I do.
> ?
> Slats
>
> Glen wilson wrote:
> ?
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
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> Very good! I will have to share some of it with my RN wife.
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> From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>, "Partviking" <lingfield51 at btopenworld.com>
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> Well, when I restored my P6B I removed the complete harness which is not
> at
> all difficult, strung it out between several posts and extensions in the
> garage, where the connectors at the end were damaged or changed I cut it
> off an fitted a good connector and insulating cover, if it looked like it
> was going to be too short I had another old harness in reserve (all the
> colour coding is consistent, and usually over several build years) I
> soldered a length of good wire on and taped the joint which is hidden in
> the
> harness. The I stripped all the old harness tape off and re bound the
> full
> harness with new tape. The power windows =need a separate harness but it
> is
> no trouble either.
>
> As someone else said unless its burnt a harness is not really that hard,
> the
> interior portion is usually in excellent condition anyway. How do I know
> this ? I have removed perhaps 12 harnesses and rebound 4.
> It is a little tedious with lots of wires all over the place but the Rover
> schematic is excellent and easy to follow .
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glen Wilson
> To: Partviking ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
> Partviking wrote:
> The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed down
> by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and health and
> safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
>
> Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time...
>
> Maybe the thread should be about Rover model nomenclature. What's a 3500
> NADA? I rushed to the assumption that we were talking about a P6 because
> of
> Mark's club association, but a 3500 NADA would be an SD1. We certainly
> have
> a lot of engineless SD1's littering the landscape over here. I thought
> Mark
> was referring to a Federal 3500S of the P6 variety, or maybe James Taylor
> misread the Rover factory records when he published the production
> records.
>
> I doubt that anyone in the USA has a new old stock 3500 or 3500S wiring
> harness sitting on the shelf, however. One of the reasons Rover went under
> over here was an unwillingness to invest properly in a parts distribution
> plan, and full wiring harnesses were probably not the first priority. Or
> maybe they were. Who knows what they were thinking?
>
> At any rate, I guess it's good to know that someone in the UK has given
> an
> auto restoration shop a blank check to restore some sort of a Rover
> saloon.
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Thu Jul 23 09:59:16 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:59:16 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Roma violenta 1975 - Alfa romeo vs.
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Roma violenta - police and cars film - 1975
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From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:15:08 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 49
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Hello All, again.
For some reason many people seem to be afraid of wiring harness replacement
and have this belief that new ones don't exist. They do and
really the way to go is to contact Autosparks in the UK they are very
helpful and made me 5 harnesses so far. I have used 1 so for a LHD P3. It
was perfect and had absolutely no problems and the colors to the original
wiring diagram were a match. They respond instantly to emails and have every
harness available back to the 1920s. Best of all they are very affordable
and can accommodate both LHD and RHD with every version AC etc. My
understanding is they were suppliers to the industry and ended up with all
the original details for Rover.
If you need a new harness then this is the way to go it just eliminates so
much time and headaches of trying to repair an old one. I cannot recommend
this enough as I have attempted over the years to repair sections only to
have other areas go bad. I think replacement is far easier then repair and
besides it just looks so nice under the bonnet!!!!!
For what it is worth
Dirk
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:26:43 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue
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Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
Holy smokes!
;-)
Glen
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:31:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: Partviking <lingfield51 at btopenworld.com>
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Crikey! Bet you must have an NOS 2000 block immersion heater as well then
!!! ;)
Alan Francis (partviking)
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> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
Holy smokes!
;-)
Glen
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Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] P6 / video clip
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:50:52 -0700
From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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mark,
I forgot to add that the A/C has a separate harness as well and I think 2
relays, the power windows need 1 relay
If Dirk has a NOS grab it with both hands and say thanks.
David
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46 AM
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Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term I should have used was Federal not
NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd
have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars
and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I
will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being
restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring
harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to
quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether
that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will
find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for
extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be
repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and
when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do
know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had
very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of
the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is
also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as
well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that
will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of
many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is
beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal.
I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one part and it is them who I
condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which
had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have
rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week.
It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I
have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition,
tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the
tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other things. The car will never be
worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in
fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it
could be saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you
Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:52:23 -0700
From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue
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Hi Dirk,
did you receive the photos of my P6B the other week ?
David
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:42 AM
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> Hello Guys,
>
> Well I could not help but weigh in on this subject. A new wiring harness
> from Auto sparks in the UK will cost about 200 GBPs for the P6. If you are
> going into a resto knowing you have electrical problems and it is not
> quick
> paint job then YES, replace the harness it is not as bad as everyone leads
> you to believe but it will take a couple weekends to get right. I have
> done
> 2 in 3 years having done the P3 I now plan to do my P5 and P4 in the next
> 6
> months.
>
> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
> For what it is worth
> Dirk
>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:20:12 -0700
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> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for email about my car. I have heard from another
> Rovernetter who has been in touch with the present owner, who says he is
> going to email me.
>
> Barry
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>
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> Glen,
>
>
>
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories.
> I
> will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
> have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
> The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I
> do
> have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
> well as I do.
>
>
>
> Slats
>
>
> Glen wilson wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
>
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> From: David Read <defender110 at ozemail.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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> Hi Slats
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> slatskars at comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Glen,
>>
>>
>>
>> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles (a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB ), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett . That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories.
> I
> will have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would
> have repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes.
> The really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! I
> do
> have to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as
> well as I do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slats
>
> More electrical info here ....
> http://www.suslik.org/Humour/FirstAid/fa1.html#electric
>
> Cheers
> Dave South Oz
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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> Perhaps the owner wants a concourse level restoration where the wires
> connecting to the components look fresh.? Another way to have a similar
> result is to have a spare harness or two from parts cars. Strip off the
> black or fabric covering of the parts harness and extract the individual
> wires. The wire underneath the harness covering will be fresh.
>
> On your restoration, strip back the outer covering of the harness just
> enough to get to the fresh colour. Obtain some heat-shrink tubing just big
> enough to go over the size wire you are treating.? You can cut back, strip
> and solder a new length of fresh coloured wire to your existing wire the
> correct length.? Use fresh terminals from non-exposed areas of the car and
> solder to the ends of the wire. When all your wiring is complete, rewrap
> your wiring harness in either black vinyl tape or the special black tape
> which is stretchable and sticks to itself.
>
> Eric
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> To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
> Glen,
> ?
> We are very much in agreement here. I have difficulty imagining a wiring
> harness that could not be easily restored unless it had gone up in flames.
> I
> have pulled a couple of complete harnesses out of vehicles?(a Ford Pinto
> and
> an MGB), neither was much fun. I did help a friend pull and replace a
> harness in an MG Magnett. That was a major job, just pulling it. He
> replaced
> it with a "Hot Rod" harness as he wanted to add some accessories. I will
> have to admit htat his original harness was pretty sad, but I would have
> repaired it using old wire from another MG to match the color codes. The
> really difficult section was pulling the harness through the roof bow
> along
> the passenger side of the car. The dome light was a real bugger! ?I do
> have
> to remember though that not everyone understands basic electricity as well
> as I do.
> ?
> Slats
>
> Glen wilson wrote:
> ?
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
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> Very good! I will have to share some of it with my RN wife.
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> From: "David Walter" <david at davidwalter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>, "Partviking" <lingfield51 at btopenworld.com>
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> Well, when I restored my P6B I removed the complete harness which is not
> at
> all difficult, strung it out between several posts and extensions in the
> garage, where the connectors at the end were damaged or changed I cut it
> off an fitted a good connector and insulating cover, if it looked like it
> was going to be too short I had another old harness in reserve (all the
> colour coding is consistent, and usually over several build years) I
> soldered a length of good wire on and taped the joint which is hidden in
> the
> harness. The I stripped all the old harness tape off and re bound the
> full
> harness with new tape. The power windows =need a separate harness but it
> is
> no trouble either.
>
> As someone else said unless its burnt a harness is not really that hard,
> the
> interior portion is usually in excellent condition anyway. How do I know
> this ? I have removed perhaps 12 harnesses and rebound 4.
> It is a little tedious with lots of wires all over the place but the Rover
> schematic is excellent and easy to follow .
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glen Wilson
> To: Partviking ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
> Partviking wrote:
> The small men in back street sheds are all but gone now. Weighed down
> by the ever increasing burden of industrial legislation and health and
> safety laws they gave up, rolled over and just fizzled out! :)
>
> Alan, you know I get grumpy, from time to time...
>
> Maybe the thread should be about Rover model nomenclature. What's a 3500
> NADA? I rushed to the assumption that we were talking about a P6 because
> of
> Mark's club association, but a 3500 NADA would be an SD1. We certainly
> have
> a lot of engineless SD1's littering the landscape over here. I thought
> Mark
> was referring to a Federal 3500S of the P6 variety, or maybe James Taylor
> misread the Rover factory records when he published the production
> records.
>
> I doubt that anyone in the USA has a new old stock 3500 or 3500S wiring
> harness sitting on the shelf, however. One of the reasons Rover went under
> over here was an unwillingness to invest properly in a parts distribution
> plan, and full wiring harnesses were probably not the first priority. Or
> maybe they were. Who knows what they were thinking?
>
> At any rate, I guess it's good to know that someone in the UK has given
> an
> auto restoration shop a blank check to restore some sort of a Rover
> saloon.
> I'm just not accustomed to beginning the troubleshooting process by
> replacing the entire wiring harness, but I guess everyone has his or her
> own
> approach to such things. Penelope Keith would have hired a little man from
> the village., She knew how to get things done.
>
> ;-)
>
> Glen
>
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From p6rovers at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 12:06:00 2009
From: p6rovers at yahoo.com (Eric Russell)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Mark,
You have a long history of passionate?Rover interest and we are all delighted that you contribute to this list.
Glen has a long history of teasing and having fun. He is actually a nice guy and is also very enthusiastic about Rovers.
I am glad that you have recognized his over-exuberance and that the Rovernet is back on an even keel.? :-)
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
________________________________
From: "p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk" <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term?I?should have?used was?Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one?part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other? things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be
saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
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Mobile 078 333 48030
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From: danenberg123 at yahoo.com (Bo Danenberger)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rover 3 litre parts books and manuals
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Hi all!
I have parts and shop manuals (one of each) for early Mk I's and later MK III's that I'm contemplating listing on ebay but thought I should see if any of the listees are interested first. To clarify there are 2 books for each model. Contact me if there is any interest, either on or off line.? Thank you.?? Bo Danenberger, central Illinois
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From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk, "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 11:06 AM
Mark,
You have a long history of passionate?Rover interest and we are all delighted that you contribute to this list.
?
Glen has a long history of teasing and having fun. He is actually a nice guy and is also very enthusiastic about Rovers.
?
I am glad that you have recognized his over-exuberance and that the Rovernet is back on an even keel.? :-)
?
Eric
?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
From: "p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk" <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term?I?should have?used was?Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one?part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other? things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be
saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
?
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
editor at p6club.com
Club line 01902 689975
Mobile 078 333 48030
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From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:58:45 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet is back on an even keel.
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Eric Russell wrote:
> ... and that the Rovernet is back on an even keel. :-)
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> Eric
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From rovercar at comcast.net Thu Jul 23 13:29:36 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Off-Topic Simone Racing Museum
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The Simone Museum is located around the corner from the Philly airport,
about ten minutes from my house. They do these "demo" days as part of
the regular $12 admission. Most of the cars are basically as they left
the track at the end of their racing careers. The Daytona Coupe was the
last of the six that Shelby made and was only rediscovered a few years
ago. Before that is was the "missing" car. I think the last place it ran
was for some speed runs at Bonneville. Then it went into someone's
garage and got lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-JXvnG9Cx8
This weekend they are running a blower Bentley and a turbocharged 1100cc
MG that placed third at LeMans.
If anyone is ever out this way, it's worth a look.
simeonemuseum.org
Glen
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jul 23 13:29:55 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:29:55 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
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----- Original Message -----
From: roverp6man
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 47
Actually Alan, that is something I have got on the shelf, still in its box, I just don't know much about Federal Wiring Harness's!!!
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
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Crikey! Bet you must have an NOS 2000 block immersion heater as well then !!! ;)
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> Yes, Glen I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses hanging around.
>
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From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:30:19 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: 3500 NADA wiring loom
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To: Eric Russell
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Eric
I'm thankful for all the help and advice. And those who know me, know that I am big and ugly enough to take the stick as well. Afterall, its all good fun!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Russell
To: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Mark,
You have a long history of passionate Rover interest and we are all delighted that you contribute to this list.
Glen has a long history of teasing and having fun. He is actually a nice guy and is also very enthusiastic about Rovers.
I am glad that you have recognized his over-exuberance and that the Rovernet is back on an even keel. :-)
Eric
"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Hi all,
Firstly my apologies, the correct term I should have used was Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be saved so it has been regardless of cost.
So I hope that clears up everything
Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From lingfield51 at btopenworld.com Thu Jul 23 14:25:45 2009
From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:25:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: 3500 NADA wiring loom
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?I am big? and ugly enough to take the stick as well
I can vouch for that !!! ;)
Actually Mark is a lovely bloke who does a great deal to promote the P6 in the UK though he is far to modest to admit it.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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Sent: Thursday, 23 July, 2009 6:30:19 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Fw: 3500 NADA wiring loom
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Eric
I'm thankful for all the? help and advice. And those who know me, know that I am big? and ugly enough to take the stick as well. Afterall, its all good fun!
Mark
----- Original Message -----
>From: Eric Russell
>To: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk ; The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
>Mark,
>You have a long history of passionate?Rover interest and we are all delighted that you contribute to this list.
>
>Glen has a long history of teasing and having fun. He is actually a nice guy and is also very enthusiastic about Rovers.
>
>I am glad that you have recognized his over-exuberance and that the Rovernet is back on an even keel.? :-)
>
>Eric
>
>?"Misfortune tests the sincerity of friends." - Aesop (c.620-560 BC)
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk" <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
>To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
>
>
>Hi all,
>Firstly my apologies, the correct term?I?should have?used was?Federal not NADA. You'd have thought after being around P6's for 17 years or more, I'd have got it right, but alas I have had very little to do with US export cars and my knowledge is limited in this field to say the least.
>Secondly. Thank you for all of the helpful advice and links. And Kent I will contact you off list as this maybe the way forward.
>Thirdly. As far as I am aware the car which is over here now and being restored was in California until a couple of years ago and the wiring harness had apparently been chopped up quite indescriminately and is to quote the owner/restorer of the car 'damaged beyond repair'. Now whether that means it has at some time suffered heat damage, I don't know but I will find out. I know the owner reasonably well and he is not known for extravegance and I'm pretty sure that if the original harness could be repaired, he would do it. That said, the car is approaching 'concours' and when he has needed to spend the money on it, he has without complaint. I do know that the window harness is missing also but again because I have had very little to do with US export cars, I didn't realise that this part of the harness is a separate entity, so it would appear that one of those is also required.
>Question: The car is fitted with aircon, is that a separate harness as well or is that part of the main harness? If it is a separate entity, that will also be on the shopping list!
>Finally, anyone who knows me, will know that I have been the savour of many basket case P6's and I never activity condemn any P6 until, it is beyond salvation and I don't mean fiscally, I 'm talking replacement metal. I have seen people kill a P6 to get at one?part and it is them who I condemn. In fact at present I have a 1974 2200auto sat on my driveway which had been consigned to the scrap yard by its previous owner and I have rescued it and if all goes well it will be going in for its MOT next week. It'll never be concours but it will become a good everyday user again. I have had to do 'some' welding, replace the steering coloumn, ignition, tyres, locks, rad hoses, part of the exhaust, fusebox, carpets and flush the tank and fuel lines, carb and do a few other? things. The car will never be worth more than ?500 but I have saved it all the same because its a P6, in fact it will probably have cost me more than that in time and parts, but it could be
saved so it has been regardless of cost.
>So I hope that clears up everything
>Once again thank you everyone for your assistance and that includes you Glen, 'no offence taken mate'
>Speak Soon
>Warmest regards
>Mark
>
>Mark Gray
>Editor, Driving Force
>The Rover P6 Club
>www.p6club.com
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>
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From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Mike
Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but they are not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something to copy. That said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is worth knowing.
The other commercial points of contact haven't got back to me yet
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Mark,
Have you tried Autosparks in Long Eaton?
rgds
Mike Maher
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From: Glen Wilson
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Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
No offense to you, Mark, but is it possible to ship a rust-free American car half-way around the world, restore it, and then not be able to find someone to repair the wiring? What might this member be willing to pay for said wiring harness? I hope it will be enough fund the restoration of some third car in the USA since the car that the harness comes out of will immediately be converted to scrap metal. I thought the UK was full of "little men" whom the landed gentry could engage to take care of such things. They usually live in little cottages just outside the walls.
Glen
p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
Hi
I have had a member of our club who has contacted me, who needs to get hold of a complete wiring loom / harness for a 3500 LHD Nada P6 with aircon and electric windows. The car was in California up until a couple of years ago and has been restored in the UK but the the loom has been chopped about too much to re-use.
Any assistance would be gratefully recieved.
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From rovercar at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 20:11:56 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:11:56 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Hi Mike
> Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but
> they are not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something
> to copy. That said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is
> worth knowing.
On the surface, that sounds like a rational business decision based upon
lack of demand. On the other hand, it's their business to be able to
produce such things, and they are losing money by not being able to make
a US-spec harness. They should get hold of one and sell a copy to your
friend and any others who inquire later on. Maybe they should borrow one
of Dirk's as a pattern and supply him a third example as payment for the
loan.
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From vern at inkspotco.com Fri Jul 24 20:32:17 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:32:17 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
Yours
Vern
On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
> p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike
>> Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but
>> they are not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without
>> something to copy. That said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness,
>> which is worth knowing.
>
> On the surface, that sounds like a rational business decision based
> upon lack of demand. On the other hand, it's their business to be
> able to produce such things, and they are losing money by not being
> able to make a US-spec harness. They should get hold of one and sell
> a copy to your friend and any others who inquire later on. Maybe
> they should borrow one of Dirk's as a pattern and supply him a third
> example as payment for the loan.
>
> Glen
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From vern at inkspotco.com Fri Jul 24 20:34:42 2009
From: vern at inkspotco.com (Vern Klukas)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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And now that I read it again, that's what you just said before your
"yes, but", more or less, so there! I'll read better the next time.
Yours
Vern
On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
> p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mike
>> Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but
>> they are not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without
>> something to copy. That said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness,
>> which is worth knowing.
>
> On the surface, that sounds like a rational business decision based
> upon lack of demand. On the other hand, it's their business to be
> able to produce such things, and they are losing money by not being
> able to make a US-spec harness. They should get hold of one and sell
> a copy to your friend and any others who inquire later on. Maybe
> they should borrow one of Dirk's as a pattern and supply him a third
> example as payment for the loan.
>
> Glen
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From rovercar at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 21:40:41 2009
From: rovercar at comcast.net (Glen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
From phing at videotron.ca Fri Jul 24 23:47:28 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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From chris at chris-wilson.org Sat Jul 25 03:42:58 2009
From: chris at chris-wilson.org (Chris J Wilson)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:42:58 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Mark,
If someone is willing to help take it out, they can have the one from my 69
LHD NADA to copy.. I've got no use for it. The car is down in Beds, just off
M1 J12.
Regards,
Chris
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:06:37 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Mike
Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but they are
not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something to copy. That
said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is worth knowing.
The other commercial points of contact haven't got back to me yet
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
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From: lingfield51 at btopenworld.com (Partviking)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:02:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hear Hear Patrick,
??????????????????????????????? If they spent less time investing in 'uprated' anti-roll bars and shiny bumpers (none of which help keep a car on the road they only help it look pretty) and more time trying to produce a ball joint (that WILL keep a car off the road) lasting for more than 18 months (as my pattern NEW one did on my P6)
then they would get a better press.
I know there not all the same and I am generalising but I'm afraid some of them pass themselves of as hobbyists, within enthusiasts dressed up as Saints (sorry Kent) when actually all they want you to do is "show me the money"!
I know capital investment is always an issue so hats off to the P5 club who are making great strides to offer remanufactured parts, by members for members.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, 25 July, 2009 4:47:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines? to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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From: lacpsyd6 at msn.com (LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:56:32 -0600
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Glen Wilson's wiring loom problems
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Gentlemen and ladies
Please be assured that I have taken a close, clinical look at Glen's wiring
loom comments. First, Glen has failed to tell you that he has been refusing
to take his psychiatric medication despite several attempts on my part to
convince him that it is all in our best interest that he do so. Secondly,
Glen's button's were 'pushed' because his dyslexia aggravated his paranoia
and he was sure Mark was calling him a loon!
I'm am sending Glen some free samples of Lamictal and Zyprexa (through a
colleague) this afternoon. Once we have him settled down, I will consider
allowing him back on the computer for some brief, supervised periods of
time.
Lance La Certe, Psy.D., '70 NADA (Nuts And Demons Aside) 3500S
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I'd like to welcome new subscriber, Rick Mellenger, from out this way who *just* became a new owner of a Series II RHD 2000 TC Rover. I met him serendipitously at a gas/petrol station out in Langley.? We had a great chat and I enjoyed looking at his fine looking automobile. It may be that he has some questions and some parts needs but he has joined the Rovernet so help is at hand.
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I'd like to welcome new subscriber, Rick Mellenger, from out this way who *just* became a new owner of a Series II RHD 2000 TC Rover. I met him serendipitously at a gas/petrol station out in Langley.? We had a great chat and I enjoyed looking at his fine looking automobile. It may be that he has some questions and some parts needs but he has joined the Rovernet so help is at hand.
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From irishrover1 at sympatico.ca Sat Jul 25 20:32:45 2009
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From ABoasberg at webtv.net Sat Jul 25 20:41:34 2009
From: ABoasberg at webtv.net (Albert Boasberg)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:41:34 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Replacement Seatbelts
In-Reply-To: peter & nancy <englishmn@verizon.net>'s message of Fri, 17 Jul
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I need to replace the front seat belts in my 1969 TC 2000.
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From dirk at vy-tek.com Sat Jul 25 21:32:06 2009
From: dirk at vy-tek.com (Dirk Burrowes)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 55
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Hello All,
I am very surprised that AutoSparks does not have a P6B NADA pattern. I
order 5 harnesses from them and three were LHD P5 MK 2, P4 75 Cyclops, and a
P3. All were delivered in 6 weeks with the P3 sent sooner in 3 weeks. They
were extremely professional and responded the same day by email.
I might have a 3500S NADA harness I will have to check. If I do I would be
willing to loan it to AutoSparks to create a pattern.
For what it is worth
Dirk
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1. Re: 3500 NADA wiring loom (Glen Wilson)
2. Re: 3500 NADA wiring loom (Patrick Hiron)
3. Re: 3500 NADA wiring loom (Chris J Wilson)
4. Re: 3500 NADA wiring loom (Partviking)
5. Glen Wilson's wiring loom problems
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:47:28 -0400
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:42:58 +0100
From: "Chris J Wilson" <chris at chris-wilson.org>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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Mark,
If someone is willing to help take it out, they can have the one from my 69
LHD NADA to copy.. I've got no use for it. The car is down in Beds, just off
M1 J12.
Regards,
Chris
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:06:37 +0100
From: <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Mike
Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but they are
not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something to copy. That
said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is worth knowing.
The other commercial points of contact haven't got back to me yet
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
Editor, Driving Force
The Rover P6 Club
www.p6club.com
editor at p6club.com
Club line 01902 689975
Mobile 078 333 48030
Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show,
Donington 2008
Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration Show
2006.
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Show, Donington 2007
Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:02:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Partviking <lingfield51 at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
<rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hear Hear Patrick,
??????????????????????????????? If they spent less time investing in
'uprated' anti-roll bars and shiny bumpers (none of which help keep a car on
the road they only help it look pretty) and more time trying to produce a
ball joint (that WILL keep a car off the road) lasting for more than 18
months (as my pattern NEW one did on my P6)
then they would get a better press.
I know there not all the same and I am generalising but I'm afraid some of
them pass themselves of as hobbyists, within enthusiasts dressed up as
Saints (sorry Kent) when actually all they want you to do is "show me the
money"!
I know capital investment is always an issue so hats off to the P5 club who
are making great strides to offer remanufactured parts, by members for
members.
Alan Francis (partviking)
________________________________
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, 25 July, 2009 4:47:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines? to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:56:32 -0600
From: "LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE" <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Glen Wilson's wiring loom problems
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Gentlemen and ladies
Please be assured that I have taken a close, clinical look at Glen's wiring
loom comments. First, Glen has failed to tell you that he has been refusing
to take his psychiatric medication despite several attempts on my part to
convince him that it is all in our best interest that he do so. Secondly,
Glen's button's were 'pushed' because his dyslexia aggravated his paranoia
and he was sure Mark was calling him a loon!
I'm am sending Glen some free samples of Lamictal and Zyprexa (through a
colleague) this afternoon. Once we have him settled down, I will consider
allowing him back on the computer for some brief, supervised periods of
time.
Lance La Certe, Psy.D., '70 NADA (Nuts And Demons Aside) 3500S
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From ricademous at yahoo.com Sat Jul 25 22:59:46 2009
From: ricademous at yahoo.com (rick mellenger)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <20090726013157.2379D8007A@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
References: <20090726013157.2379D8007A@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com>
Message-ID: <362482.31389.qm@web55702.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Hello All. my 1st post,
i just got a 1973 2000tc. a few days ago. and i was wondering if there is a local source, ie,BC lower mainland. for the air filters.??
Thanks for the welcome to here.
all? the best
rick mellenger
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From: Dirk Burrowes <dirk at vy-tek.com>
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:32:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Rovernet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 55
Hello All,
I am very surprised that AutoSparks does not have a P6B NADA pattern. I
order 5 harnesses from them and three were LHD P5 MK 2, P4 75 Cyclops, and a
P3. All were delivered in 6 weeks with the P3 sent sooner in 3 weeks. They
were extremely professional and responded the same day by email.
I might have a 3500S NADA harness I will have to check. If I do I would be
willing to loan it to AutoSparks to create a pattern.
For what it is worth
Dirk
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400
From: Glen Wilson <rovercar at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:47:28 -0400
From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "'The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.'"
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Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines? to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:42:58 +0100
From: "Chris J Wilson" <chris at chris-wilson.org>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
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Mark,
If someone is willing to help take it out, they can have the one from my 69
LHD NADA to copy.. I've got no use for it. The car is down in Beds, just off
M1 J12.
Regards,
Chris
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:06:37 +0100
From: <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Hi Mike
Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but they are
not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something to copy. That
said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is worth knowing.
The other commercial points of contact haven't got back to me yet
Speak Soon
Warmest regards
Mark
Mark Gray
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:02:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Partviking <lingfield51 at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
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Hear Hear Patrick,
??????????????????????????????? If they spent less time investing in
'uprated' anti-roll bars and shiny bumpers (none of which help keep a car on
the road they only help it look pretty) and more time trying to produce a
ball joint (that WILL keep a car off the road) lasting for more than 18
months (as my pattern NEW one did on my P6)
then they would get a better press.
I know there not all the same and I am generalising but I'm afraid some of
them pass themselves of as hobbyists, within enthusiasts dressed up as
Saints (sorry Kent) when actually all they want you to do is "show me the
money"!
I know capital investment is always an issue so hats off to the P5 club who
are making great strides to offer remanufactured parts, by members for
members.
Alan Francis (partviking)
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From: Patrick Hiron <phing at videotron.ca>
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts. <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, 25 July, 2009 4:47:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Glen
You have hit on the essential difference between US parts businesses ,which
are run on commercial lines? to make money and much of the UK ' "Classic
motor car parts purveying trade " .I encountered many of these people while
collecting parts for my P3 restoration . They tend to operate as a cottage
industry on a "hobby with tax break opportunities basis " Their company
enables them to swan around the country , exercise their hobby and deduct
their costs as " business expenses"
Cheers
Patrick
riginal Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On
Behalf Of Glen Wilson
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:41 PM
To: The original list for Rover car enthusiasts.
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
Vern Klukas wrote:
> But by the same business process, the cost to create the pattern may
> be high enough an investment that the number of harness to be sold
> will never pay it back. Reproducing a single harness from an example
> is much simpler, obviously, if retaining a pattern isn't important. On
> a side note, it raises some doubt about the info that Autosparks were
> an original supplier, at least of that particular harness.
>
> Yours
> Vern
> On 24-Jul-09, at 5:11 PM, Glen Wilson wrote:
On yet another hand, some companies pride themselves on being able to
provide a complete service rather than simply saying that they don't
have one to copy. This is not a serious criticism of Autosparks. I'm
just saying that they might have come across a 3500S wiring harness at
some time over the last 39 years and made a pattern, if that's the
business they are in. I'm mainly making a comparison with businesses
like the automobile carpet replacement companies in the USA. They
usually advertise a span of years and advertise that they can provide
carpet sets for anything. It's been my experience that they can usually
deliver on such claims because they have had people going through junk
yards ripping carpets out of cars for the past 90 years to collect
patterns. I'll grant that it's easier to do this with carpets than with
wiring harnesses, but even the Federal 3500S is not all that rare a bird.
Glen
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From: "LANCE G LACERTE, LANCE G LA CERTE" <lacpsyd6 at msn.com>
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Glen Wilson's wiring loom problems
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Gentlemen and ladies
Please be assured that I have taken a close, clinical look at Glen's wiring
loom comments.? First, Glen has failed to tell you that he has been refusing
to take his psychiatric medication despite several attempts on my part to
convince him that it is all in our best interest that he do so.? Secondly,
Glen's button's were 'pushed' because his dyslexia aggravated his paranoia
and he was sure Mark was calling him a loon!
I'm am sending Glen some free samples of Lamictal and Zyprexa (through a
colleague) this afternoon.? Once we have him settled down, I will consider
allowing him back on the computer for some brief, supervised periods of
time.
Lance La Certe, Psy.D.,? '70 NADA (Nuts And Demons Aside) 3500S
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From phing at videotron.ca Sat Jul 25 23:43:01 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:43:01 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Replacement Seatbelts
In-Reply-To: <13763-4A6BA63E-3954@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
References: "17 Jul 2009 08:12:14 -0700"
<13763-4A6BA63E-3954@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>
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Albert
If you are in the USA or Canada look at seatbeltpros.com . I ordered a pair
of retractable front seat belts from them to replace the static belts in my
1970 P6B . Their Desert tan webbing is an excellent match for the original
colour . Their hardware kit enables the belt retractors to be fitted to the
floor. It's not original , but it looks OK and makes the belts more user
friendly.
Cheers
Patrick
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Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Replacement Seatbelts
I need to replace the front seat belts in my 1969 TC 2000.
Any suggestions on where to look for these?
Thanks.
Albert
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From smokeandsteam at gmail.com Sun Jul 26 08:55:02 2009
From: smokeandsteam at gmail.com (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:55:02 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Replacement Seatbelts
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Albert
There is a company called Ssnake-Oyl (sic) in Texas who will make new
belts using the original hardware if originality is important.
I haven't used them myself but reports have been a bit varied - some
liked what they got but one or two had issues with misfitted hardware
Aidrian
Albert Boasberg wrote:
> I need to replace the front seat belts in my 1969 TC 2000.
>
> Any suggestions on where to look for these?
From p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Jul 27 05:07:54 2009
From: p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk (p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:07:54 +0100
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
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Hi Chris
> Thank you for the offer. I'll gladly come and take it out myself if that's
> ok. I have had two companies who have responded to the request of a
> remanufacture but one was 'we can't help! the other was 'if I could supply
> one they would look at it' and no doubt give a price! 'Show us the money'
> I
> think the quote was the other day.
> Please can you contact me directly on p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk with
> further
> details
> Speak Soon
> Warmest regards
> Mark
>
> Mark Gray
> Editor, Driving Force
> The Rover P6 Club
> www.p6club.com
> editor at p6club.com
> Club line 01902 689975
> Mobile 078 333 48030
>
> Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show,
> Donington 2008
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> 2006.
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> Show, Donington 2007
> Club Display prize winners at The London Classic Car Show October 2007
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris J Wilson" <chris at chris-wilson.org>
To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
> Mark,
>
> If someone is willing to help take it out, they can have the one from my
> 69
> LHD NADA to copy.. I've got no use for it. The car is down in Beds, just
> off
> M1 J12.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:06:37 +0100
> From: <p6estate at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 3500 NADA wiring loom
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts."
> <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Message-ID: <0D607623B4A349C0842B7345399A9341 at SN037535920331>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Mike
> Thank you for the info about Autosparks. I have contacted them but they
> are
> not able to produce the US spec LHD harness without something to copy.
> That
> said they do stock the RHD UK spec harness, which is worth knowing.
>
> The other commercial points of contact haven't got back to me yet
> Speak Soon
> Warmest regards
> Mark
>
> Mark Gray
> Editor, Driving Force
> The Rover P6 Club
> www.p6club.com
> editor at p6club.com
> Club line 01902 689975
> Mobile 078 333 48030
>
> Club Display prize winners at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration Show,
> Donington 2008
> Winners of the Best Club Display Award at the National Restoration Show
> 2006.
> Winners of the Best Club Display at The Classic Car and Bike Restoration
> Show, Donington 2007
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>
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From fjcumberland at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 13:38:05 2009
From: fjcumberland at yahoo.com (Jim Cumberland)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2.0 TC engine & manual box FS in US
Message-ID: <613602.74857.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hi all,
I have a 2.0 TC engine & manual box that are surplus to my requirements.? It's a complete unit except for (maybe) the alternator.? I believe this unit came from a running car.? I'd like to get $375 plus shipping for it.
It's in my storage unit, and I've not seen it for several months.? I can take pics of it later this week if anyone's interested.? Shipping should be $300-400 w/in the US, but I can get a more accurate quote?later.
Cheers,
Jim
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Jul 28 05:28:10 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:28:10 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: R: Rover and land rover rewiew
In-Reply-To: <0C4F6ECCDF2149D5B2683539BF02A2A0@rw>
References: <mailman.1.1248192006.442.rovernet_rovernet.ca@rovernet.ca><C1C073CDE49245019B336295FE16FFC3@DirkPC2><AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A025C06F0@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
<0C4F6ECCDF2149D5B2683539BF02A2A0@rw>
Message-ID: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A0263B84A@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
http://cgi.ebay.it/Rover-Review-Jly-Sep-1968-P6-3500-and-Land-Rover_W0QQ
itemZ260427007010QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Littera
ture_ET?hash=item3ca2a8c422&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A16%7C66%
3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50
Rover Review Jly-Sep 1968 P6 3500 and Land-Rover Numero oggetto:
260427007010
Also very interesting.
Best regards, gianluca.
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Tue Jul 28 05:28:05 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:28:05 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Rover rewiev oct.67
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http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260427006845&fromMakeT
rack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:it
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From rovertcv8 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 08:10:09 2009
From: rovertcv8 at yahoo.com (David Sheuring)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2.0 TC engine & manual box FS in US
In-Reply-To: <613602.74857.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Jim,
I would love to buy it as I need just that for my car.
Can you email me at rovertcv8 at yahoo.com
Thanks
David
________________________________
From: Jim Cumberland <fjcumberland at yahoo.com>
To: Rovernet <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 1:38:05 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] 2.0 TC engine & manual box FS in US
Hi all,
I have a 2.0 TC engine & manual box that are surplus to my requirements.? It's a complete unit except for (maybe) the alternator.? I believe this unit came from a running car.? I'd like to get $375 plus shipping for it.
It's in my storage unit, and I've not seen it for several months.? I can take pics of it later this week if anyone's interested.? Shipping should be $300-400 w/in the US, but I can get a more accurate quote?later.
Cheers,
Jim
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From Pjemail at aol.com Tue Jul 28 08:19:24 2009
From: Pjemail at aol.com (Pjemail at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:19:24 EDT
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
Message-ID: <cf6.5b192492.37a046cc@aol.com>
I am sorry that I was not able to arrange a meeting on this trip, but I did
manage to drop in on Geff McCarthy for an hour or so as we passed through
Portland, where I was able to see and drive his very nice 3500S.
Maybe I will have more opportunity to meet you when I next visit my
sister-in-law in Astoria.
Regards,
Pierre
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From slatskars at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 11:55:28 2009
From: slatskars at comcast.net (slatskars at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:55:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
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Message-ID: <1229089967.6149971248796528515.JavaMail.root@sz0140a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Pierre,
I am in SW Washinton state, just 20-25 minutes North of the Portland airport. Also, always have a guest romm available.
Slats
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:19:24 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] My trip to the US and Canada
I am sorry that I was not able to arrange a meeting on this trip, but I did manage to drop in on Geff McCarthy for an hour or so as we passed through Portland, where I was able to see and drive his very nice 3500S.
Maybe I will have more opportunity to meet you when I next visit my sister-in-law in Astoria.
Regards,
Pierre
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From kkinard at att.net Tue Jul 28 19:48:05 2009
From: kkinard at att.net (Kent Kinard)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
In-Reply-To: <06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com> <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net>
<06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista>
Message-ID: <4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
Hi David:
I need a mailing address for your radiator sticker.
Check for $5.50 to:
Kent Kinard
12751 Texas Thistle
San Antonio, TX 78253
> Hi Kent,
>
> If you still have one I would like on of the red radiator stickers
> please,
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
>
>
>> Hi Dirk,
>> I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the
>> big "service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red
>> one that goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early
>> (through '69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover
>> and the royal coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on
>> it. I also have the red instruction placard that goes on the cars
>> with the boot mounted spare.
>>
>>
>> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>>> Hi Kent,
>>>
>>> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if
>>> you have
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dirk
>>
>>
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From gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com Wed Jul 29 09:50:43 2009
From: gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com (gianluca.ruotolo at enel.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:50:43 +0200
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Minis painted by paul Smith
In-Reply-To: <4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com> <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net><06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista>
<4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
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http://images.google.it/images?hl=it&q=paul+smith&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=IkxwS
o6YJsn5_AbM3MyhCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4
Have a look at the Minis of Paul Smith, famous desiger and, also, car
painter...
Best regards, Gianluca.
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From david at davidwalter.net Wed Jul 29 15:17:50 2009
From: david at davidwalter.net (David Walter)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:17:50 -0700
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
In-Reply-To: <4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com> <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net><06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista>
<4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
Message-ID: <7BC1FA8E75874CA3A7F18D02682D2848@DavidVista>
Hi Kent,
cheque going off today,
45 Six Flags Circle,
Buellton.
ca 93427
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
> Hi David:
>
> I need a mailing address for your radiator sticker.
>
> Check for $5.50 to:
> Kent Kinard
> 12751 Texas Thistle
> San Antonio, TX 78253
>> Hi Kent,
>>
>> If you still have one I would like on of the red radiator stickers
>> please,
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at att.net>
>> To: "The original list for Rover car enthusiasts." <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Stickers
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>> I found the stickers, but not everything under the bonnet, just the big
>>> "service recommendation" ones, the negative earth, and the red one that
>>> goes above the radiator on the 3500. Do you need the early (through
>>> '69)or late (70' up) TC sticker? The early one has Rover and the royal
>>> coat of arms. The later one has British Leyland on it. I also have the
>>> red instruction placard that goes on the cars with the boot mounted
>>> spare.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>>>> Hi Kent,
>>>>
>>>> I could a couple of sets of under bonnet stickers. 3500S and TC if you
>>>> have
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Dirk
>>>
>>>
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From vmitps at netspace.net.au Wed Jul 29 18:35:03 2009
From: vmitps at netspace.net.au (Netspace)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:35:03 +1000
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Minis painted by paul Smith
In-Reply-To: <AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A0263C0CA@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
References: <20090701000552.D474780082@emta1.nyc1.bluetie.com> <4A652B8C.4080305@att.net><06955507A6B74259944C8C0425B54A6D@DavidVista><4A6F8E35.5070507@att.net>
<AD15D6E6287C7B45BFF991A72C84E38A0263C0CA@E30IYLMJ.risorse.enel>
Message-ID: <091AD1C3D08742C583F9AB25A3A67254@Vista>
The rather curious thing (to me) is that his signature is almost identical
to mine...
PVS
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To: <rovernet at rovernet.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:50 PM
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] R: Minis painted by paul Smith
>
> http://images.google.it/images?hl=it&q=paul+smith&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=IkxwSo6YJsn5_AbM3MyhCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4
>
> Have a look at the Minis of Paul Smith, famous desiger and, also, car
> painter...
>
> Best regards, Gianluca.
>
>
>
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From phing at videotron.ca Wed Jul 29 23:45:34 2009
From: phing at videotron.ca (Patrick Hiron)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:45:34 -0400
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spark plug and HT cable recommendations
??
Message-ID: <000001ca10c8$320eba10$962c2e30$@ca>
Hi
I have decided to treat my 1970 P6B to a new set of plugs and HT cables .
Does any one have any recommendations for the best options for genteel road
use . [ e.g. Multi electrode platinum doofus plugs??]
My local parts shop suggests NGK BP5HS plugs as a better bet than the
original Champion L92Y plugs and a set of NGK cables to replace the present
HT cables which looked " cooked ?and past their sell by date.
Cheers
Patrick
From R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com Thu Jul 30 00:05:35 2009
From: R.Thornton at adelaidecitycouncil.com (Robert Thornton)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:35:35 +0930
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spark plug and HT cable
recommendations ??
In-Reply-To: <000001ca10c8$320eba10$962c2e30$@ca>
References: <000001ca10c8$320eba10$962c2e30$@ca>
Message-ID: <816735D7904A6C42A6D5B0DDFC0EAB4E15BFD5CDE0@ACCMX01.adelaide.sa.gov.au>
RV8s like NGK plugs. I've got these in my SD1 (Buick heads) and Disco. Avoid fancy plugs - they cost a mint and don't do much more than the others. If you want a giant spark fit something like an MSD cdi and blaster coil. Bosch leads are very good and cheaper than NGK. Again you don't need fancy types.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca [mailto:rovernet-bounces at rovernet.ca] On Behalf Of Patrick Hiron
Sent: Thursday, 30 July 2009 1:16 PM
To: rovernet at rovernet.ca
Subject: [Rovernet - INTERNATIONAL] Spark plug and HT cable recommendations ??
Hi
I have decided to treat my 1970 P6B to a new set of plugs and HT cables .
Does any one have any recommendations for the best options for genteel road use . [ e.g. Multi electrode platinum doofus plugs??] My local parts shop suggests NGK BP5HS plugs as a better bet than the original Champion L92Y plugs and a set of NGK cables to replace the present HT cables which looked " cooked ?and past their sell by date.
Cheers
Patrick
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