[ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
Walter Reynolds
wreynold at uniserve.com
Sun Sep 26 05:02:07 BST 2004
Hi All. Thanks so much for the good advice. I've started at the easy end
and checked the tire pressures. All except the front driver side tire are
at 28 lb. I can't check the driver side tire because is's got an odd tire
valve which is too big for my tire pressure guage. I will have to take the
car to the local OK Tire store for help. I will keep you posted on the tire
pressure results (will start with 30 lb all round and then go to the 33
front/31 rear as was the experiences of PVS.
Thanks again. Walter.
Walter D. Reynolds
19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
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> 1. RE: Introduction/Questions (T. Clemen)
> 2. Re: RE: Introduction/Questions (James Dean)
> 3. Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box (Walter Reynolds)
> 4. RE: Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box (Paul Smith)
> 5. Re: RE: Introduction/Questions (Paul Smith)
> 6. Re: Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box (roger matheson)
> 7. Re: Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box (Fritz Rauschenberg)
> 8. Re: Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box (Paul Smith)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:02:50 -0500
> From: "T. Clemen" <tclemen at msn.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Welcome Frank!
>
> May I say that you have quite the eye for bargains to get your Rover for
so
> little! As I am sure you have already noticed that this is a great group
of
> people and very friendly, I too was very happy when I stumbled upon them.
> Many a problem of mine has been solved and/or helped along by the group.
> Anyway enough for the brownie points...
>
> I had my water pump go on me a couple of years ago and bought a rebuilt
one
> just north of you in Vancouver. ABC Cars #604-294-5747 (I am sure if the
> number is different now someone in the group knows it), turn around was
fast
> and the price was excellent. As far as your generator goes, I am not sure
> how stock you want your car to appear, but JR Wadhams
(www.jrwadhams.co.uk)
> has some rebuild items for it. I have some brand new brushes for one if
you
> want them. If it is too far gone I just had mine rebuilt for $110.00
> locally. A word of advice is to get your voltage regulator checked if you
> are going to keep the generator set-up.
> I am not sure if someone else has touched on these points or offerings,
> sorry if I am repeating things.
>
> Good luck and again, welcome!
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:09:43 -0400
> From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <134401c4a051$9bcbdb00$6101a8c0 at jaguru>
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>
> Regarding the 2000TC generator; I do not have a Lucas catalogue here at
> home, but believe it is the same as an XKE Jaguar- someone with a
catalogue
> might check. Welsh Jaguar in Ohio usually has them in stock, rebuilt, but
> there is a hefty core charge; so send yours first. James Dean.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Clemen" <tclemen at msn.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:02 PM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
>
>
> > Welcome Frank!
> >
> > May I say that you have quite the eye for bargains to get your Rover for
> so
> > little! As I am sure you have already noticed that this is a great
group
> of
> > people and very friendly, I too was very happy when I stumbled upon
them.
> > Many a problem of mine has been solved and/or helped along by the group.
> > Anyway enough for the brownie points...
> >
> > I had my water pump go on me a couple of years ago and bought a rebuilt
> one
> > just north of you in Vancouver. ABC Cars #604-294-5747 (I am sure if
the
> > number is different now someone in the group knows it), turn around was
> fast
> > and the price was excellent. As far as your generator goes, I am not
sure
> > how stock you want your car to appear, but JR Wadhams
> (www.jrwadhams.co.uk)
> > has some rebuild items for it. I have some brand new brushes for one if
> you
> > want them. If it is too far gone I just had mine rebuilt for $110.00
> > locally. A word of advice is to get your voltage regulator checked if
you
> > are going to keep the generator set-up.
> > I am not sure if someone else has touched on these points or offerings,
> > sorry if I am repeating things.
> >
> > Good luck and again, welcome!
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:00:05 -0700
> From: "Walter Reynolds" <wreynold at uniserve.com>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> I've owned my 1968 Rover 2000SC since July 2004 and ti has always had
stiff
> steering. Even stiffer than my 1965 Austin Cambridge and I thought that
was
> stiff! In looking at the workshop manual, the Armstrong steering also has
> an idler box. The manual tells how to check and top up the steering box
oil
> level, but says nothing about the idler, even though the idler box shown
in
> the manual and on the car has what may be a filler bolt on its top. When
I
> checked the level oil level in the steering box, I had to add oil - lots!
> The gears that I could see looked dry. When I tried to check the idler
box
> for its fluid level, oil started to ooze out from under the bolt as soon
as
> I had it loosened about an eighth of a turn. The oil that oozed out
looked
> like graphite in colour, but I was too busy trying to get the nut
tightened
> to notice the consistency of the ooze. Can anyone help me with why the
oil
> started leaking from the top of the idler box as soon as I loosened the
> bolt. And how do I go about checking further for the source of the stiff
> steering.
>
> Thanks. Walter.
>
> Walter D. Reynolds
> 19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
> Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:52:18 +1000
> From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
> Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
> To: "'rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com'" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID:
> <9409B494C2CED611BADF00508B948EF808551733 at excha01.auroraenergy.com.au>
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>
> Yep, it is a very good sign that the idler oozed, it means the seal is
> intact. My SC oozed too when I removed the bolt. The TC one didn't. I'd
> leave it alone. You just fill them to the top, and the action of damping
> (which the idler does too) heats the oil so it expands...
>
> I'd say your problem is in the steering box, and I will bet the seal has
> died so that the oil leaks out the bottom.
> They are easy to adjust, is yours a workshop manual? If not I can scan the
> page and email directly to you if desired.
>
> PVS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Reynolds [mailto:wreynold at uniserve.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 2:00 pm
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
>
>
> I've owned my 1968 Rover 2000SC since July 2004 and ti has always had
stiff
> steering. Even stiffer than my 1965 Austin Cambridge and I thought that
was
> stiff! In looking at the workshop manual, the Armstrong steering also has
> an idler box. The manual tells how to check and top up the steering box
oil
> level, but says nothing about the idler, even though the idler box shown
in
> the manual and on the car has what may be a filler bolt on its top. When
I
> checked the level oil level in the steering box, I had to add oil - lots!
> The gears that I could see looked dry. When I tried to check the idler
box
> for its fluid level, oil started to ooze out from under the bolt as soon
as
> I had it loosened about an eighth of a turn. The oil that oozed out
looked
> like graphite in colour, but I was too busy trying to get the nut
tightened
> to notice the consistency of the ooze. Can anyone help me with why the
oil
> started leaking from the top of the idler box as soon as I loosened the
> bolt. And how do I go about checking further for the source of the stiff
> steering.
>
> Thanks. Walter.
>
> Walter D. Reynolds
> 19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
> Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:00:31 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmi2148 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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>
> Lucas C42-22910 according to my workshop manual.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
>
>
> > Regarding the 2000TC generator; I do not have a Lucas catalogue here at
> > home, but believe it is the same as an XKE Jaguar- someone with a
> > catalogue
> > might check. Welsh Jaguar in Ohio usually has them in stock, rebuilt,
but
> > there is a hefty core charge; so send yours first. James Dean.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T. Clemen" <tclemen at msn.com>
> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 6:02 PM
> > Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] RE: Introduction/Questions
> >
> >
> >> Welcome Frank!
> >>
> >> May I say that you have quite the eye for bargains to get your Rover
for
> > so
> >> little! As I am sure you have already noticed that this is a great
group
> > of
> >> people and very friendly, I too was very happy when I stumbled upon
them.
> >> Many a problem of mine has been solved and/or helped along by the
group.
> >> Anyway enough for the brownie points...
> >>
> >> I had my water pump go on me a couple of years ago and bought a rebuilt
> > one
> >> just north of you in Vancouver. ABC Cars #604-294-5747 (I am sure if
> >> the
> >> number is different now someone in the group knows it), turn around was
> > fast
> >> and the price was excellent. As far as your generator goes, I am not
> >> sure
> >> how stock you want your car to appear, but JR Wadhams
> > (www.jrwadhams.co.uk)
> >> has some rebuild items for it. I have some brand new brushes for one
if
> > you
> >> want them. If it is too far gone I just had mine rebuilt for $110.00
> >> locally. A word of advice is to get your voltage regulator checked if
> >> you
> >> are going to keep the generator set-up.
> >> I am not sure if someone else has touched on these points or offerings,
> >> sorry if I am repeating things.
> >>
> >> Good luck and again, welcome!
> >>
> >> Tom C.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:04:53 -0700
> From: "roger matheson" <rogerdm at iprimus.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <001101c4a0a4$c0c2f760$0401010a at Rogers>
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> I agree with Paul. The oil seeping from the idler bolt m eans that the
> chamber is full and this would imply that the bottom seal is OK. It is
> important to check visually however. I beleive Rover felt that the idler
> should not be interfered with and that any fault should mean replacement
of
> the whole unit. Holwever it can be reconditioned and sleaved with a new
> seal just like the steering box. Jack up the front of the car so that
when
> you top up the steering box, oil will get to the rear roller bearing. If
> refilling the steering box does not work, then I would suggest,
> * Is broken insulation from the heater box interfering with the
> the movement of the track rod across the front of the firewall.
> * Are the top ball joints in the swivel pillar working correctly.
Again
> a visual check of the copndition of the rubber boots should suggest if
> water has got in etc.
> * Is the universal on the steering colum OK inside the car OK or is
> something obstructing the movement of the shaft though the firewall to
> the box
> * Has the sleeve that holds the steering lock assembly around the
> steering column dried out
> * Are the steering side rods ball joints OK.
>
> As an alternative why not fit power steering , go the gym for body work or
> fit a larger diameter steering wheeel. Cheers Roger
>
> Generally if a ball joint has failed than you will get slack in the
steering
> wheel. Jack up the passenger side front and grip the tyre in the 9 and 3
> clock positions. Rock the wheel toe in and tow out and watch the steering
> wheel. There should be no slack. If there is then either a ball joint,
and
> or the idler or steering box are faulty.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Reynolds" <wreynold at uniserve.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:00 PM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
>
>
> > I've owned my 1968 Rover 2000SC since July 2004 and ti has always had
> stiff
> > steering. Even stiffer than my 1965 Austin Cambridge and I thought that
> was
> > stiff! In looking at the workshop manual, the Armstrong steering also
has
> > an idler box. The manual tells how to check and top up the steering box
> oil
> > level, but says nothing about the idler, even though the idler box shown
> in
> > the manual and on the car has what may be a filler bolt on its top.
When
> I
> > checked the level oil level in the steering box, I had to add oil -
lots!
> > The gears that I could see looked dry. When I tried to check the idler
> box
> > for its fluid level, oil started to ooze out from under the bolt as soon
> as
> > I had it loosened about an eighth of a turn. The oil that oozed out
> looked
> > like graphite in colour, but I was too busy trying to get the nut
> tightened
> > to notice the consistency of the ooze. Can anyone help me with why the
> oil
> > started leaking from the top of the idler box as soon as I loosened the
> > bolt. And how do I go about checking further for the source of the
stiff
> > steering.
> >
> > Thanks. Walter.
> >
> > Walter D. Reynolds
> > 19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
> > Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
> >
> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:38:16 -0400
> From: Fritz Rauschenberg <wfritz at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Message-ID: <41514808.D30C50B5 at mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Walter,
> Good luck on that one. Both of my TC's have stiff steering(my wife won't
drive either
> of them) & I assumed that was the nature of the beast. Especially since
the steering
> wheel turns effortlessly when the car is on jack-stands with the wheels
off the
> ground. I realize that may not reveal some binding of a worn component but
I felt it
> was a good indicator since both cars were the same. Perhaps a fellow
Rovernetter has
> learned something that might enlighten us.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fritz Rauschenberg
> Atlanta, GA USA
>
> Walter Reynolds wrote:
>
> > I've owned my 1968 Rover 2000SC since July 2004 and ti has always had
stiff
> > steering. Even stiffer than my 1965 Austin Cambridge and I thought that
was
> > stiff! In looking at the workshop manual, the Armstrong steering also
has
> > an idler box. The manual tells how to check and top up the steering box
oil
> > level, but says nothing about the idler, even though the idler box shown
in
> > the manual and on the car has what may be a filler bolt on its top.
When I
> > checked the level oil level in the steering box, I had to add oil -
lots!
> > The gears that I could see looked dry. When I tried to check the idler
box
> > for its fluid level, oil started to ooze out from under the bolt as soon
as
> > I had it loosened about an eighth of a turn. The oil that oozed out
looked
> > like graphite in colour, but I was too busy trying to get the nut
tightened
> > to notice the consistency of the ooze. Can anyone help me with why the
oil
> > started leaking from the top of the idler box as soon as I loosened the
> > bolt. And how do I go about checking further for the source of the
stiff
> > steering.
> >
> > Thanks. Walter.
> >
> > Walter D. Reynolds
> > 19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
> > Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:44:50 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmi2148 at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
> To: <wfritz at mindspring.com>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Message-ID: <003901c4a091$7a26c600$0100000a at p4>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> The 2000 steering is light with .5 degree of castor.
> 3500s without power steering tend to be Heavy.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fritz Rauschenberg" <wfritz at mindspring.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Rover 2000 SC Steering Box
>
>
> > Walter,
> > Good luck on that one. Both of my TC's have stiff steering(my wife won't
> > drive either
> > of them) & I assumed that was the nature of the beast. Especially since
> > the steering
> > wheel turns effortlessly when the car is on jack-stands with the wheels
> > off the
> > ground. I realize that may not reveal some binding of a worn component
but
> > I felt it
> > was a good indicator since both cars were the same. Perhaps a fellow
> > Rovernetter has
> > learned something that might enlighten us.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Fritz Rauschenberg
> > Atlanta, GA USA
> >
> > Walter Reynolds wrote:
> >
> >> I've owned my 1968 Rover 2000SC since July 2004 and ti has always had
> >> stiff
> >> steering. Even stiffer than my 1965 Austin Cambridge and I thought
that
> >> was
> >> stiff! In looking at the workshop manual, the Armstrong steering also
> >> has
> >> an idler box. The manual tells how to check and top up the steering
box
> >> oil
> >> level, but says nothing about the idler, even though the idler box
shown
> >> in
> >> the manual and on the car has what may be a filler bolt on its top.
When
> >> I
> >> checked the level oil level in the steering box, I had to add oil -
lots!
> >> The gears that I could see looked dry. When I tried to check the idler
> >> box
> >> for its fluid level, oil started to ooze out from under the bolt as
soon
> >> as
> >> I had it loosened about an eighth of a turn. The oil that oozed out
> >> looked
> >> like graphite in colour, but I was too busy trying to get the nut
> >> tightened
> >> to notice the consistency of the ooze. Can anyone help me with why the
> >> oil
> >> started leaking from the top of the idler box as soon as I loosened the
> >> bolt. And how do I go about checking further for the source of the
stiff
> >> steering.
> >>
> >> Thanks. Walter.
> >>
> >> Walter D. Reynolds
> >> 19753 Wildcrest Avenue, Pitt Meadows, B.C. V3Y 1M3
> >> Ph: 604-465-6350 Fax: 604-465-6367
> >>
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