[ROVERNET - UK] Headrests again
Vern Klukas
vern at inkspotco.com
Mon Feb 27 01:41:29 GMT 2006
The reading lamps in the front headrests were certainly offered as an
option on the P6's, but the only example I have ever seen of them in
a P6 from the factory was a 69 green TC I parted out that had
absolutely every option available, from the trailer hitch to the
badge bar. The sad thing is this was many years ago, and I did not
realize how many of those options I would never see again. I disposed
of the lot when I moved from Kelowna to Victoria in the late 70's.
Yours
Vern
>Hi all,
>
>I could not help but weigh in on the headrest discussions.
>So this is what I think I know.
>
>The ET style headrests began with the P5 and carried over to the P5b and P6
>series. It appears to have died off around 67 or 68 for the P6 in favor of
>the teardrop style. However the ET style did seem to carry right through
>until the end of the P5B production that ended in 1972.
>
>As far as I know the lighting integrated in the ET style headrests was
>limited to the P5/P5B models and it looks like it was a dealer option
>or an upgrade version. In fact it may have only been offered in the P5B
>model I am not sure about this. I have been keeping track of the ET style on
>EBay UK looking for Red with the lights for my P5.
>
>If I have this wrong someone please correct me
>
>I would be interested in rear headrests for my 68 P6 so Glen if you decide
>to part with them let me know.
>
>Hope everyone is well
>
>Dirk
>P3 P4 P5 P6 P6B
>
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> 1. Re: rovernet Digest, Vol 39, Issue 44 (Dermot Harvey)
> 2. P6 Rear Headrests (Glen Wilson)
> 3. !967 2000TC Interior Question (Glen Wilson)
> 4. Re: P6 Rear Headrests (Vern Klukas)
> 5. Re: P6 Rear Headrests (James Dean)
> 6. Re: P6 Rear Headrests (Eric Russell)
> 7. Re: P6 Rear Headrests (Paul Smith)
> 8. Rover Terminology (Glen Wilson)
> 9. RE: Rover Terminology (Paul Smith)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:29:07 -0500
>From: Dermot Harvey <roverman2 at verizon.net>
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: rovernet Digest, Vol 39, Issue 44
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>Hi,
>
>I believe the GM180 uses a different length driveshaft that the BW 65.
>
>Dermot Harvey
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:58:46 -0500
>> From: "Andrew Moss" <amoss at xplornet.com>
>> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] SD1 Automatic Transmissions
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>> Hi there,
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>> Does anyone know if the series 2 SD1 automatic transmissions (GM180)
>> are
>> interchangeable with the series 1 ( Borg and Wagner )? Are there
>> different driveshafts and torque converters for these transmissions?
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>> Thanks in advance,
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:17:48 -0500
>From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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>Hi,
>
>I have a set of P6 rear headrests. They are the ones that set on top of
>the back seat under the rear window. They are the off-white color like
>that used in the Federal 3500S and 2000 vinyl interiors. Anyone know
>what the story is on these? How rare are they? When were they produced?
>What would they have cost as a new option? These seem to be vinyl or
>Ambla and don't look like they would have come with a leather interior.
>What cars would they be correct for? Last time I saw any on eBay, I
>think they went for around $75. Anybody remember?
>
>I also have a set of ET front headrests in buffalo (dark brown) that I
>believe came out of a TC. There are no reading lights in them for rear
>passengers. What vintage would these be? I think they came in the '67-68
>TC that I sold to Norm. The original interior of that car was dark
>brown, but all of the stitching had disintegrated and the leather was
>shot. Anyone have a need for these?
>
>Glen
>glenwilson at cavtel.net
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:31:30 -0500
>From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] !967 2000TC Interior Question
>To: RoverNet <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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>I've got a line on a '67 2000TC in the USA that I haven't been able to
>get to see yet because the seller has health problems. I was going to go
>without Rovers for a while, but I am tempted because it is supposed to
>be a nice original car. It is supposed to be blue with a white interior.
>I am guessing that it is Zircon Blue with a white leather inetrior based
>on what I have heard.
>
>At the P6 Drivers Club site http://www.p6club.com/ there is a 1967
>2000 Automatic listed for sale. I've never seen a Rover in the USA with
>such a bright white interior, but all of the off-white interiors I've
>seen have been later cars in vinyl or Ambla. Is this what the white
>leather interiors looked like in cars exported to the States, or has
>this one been recolored? It looks pretty original.
>
>Glen
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:42:07 -0800
>From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>To: glenwilson at cavtel.net, rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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>The rear headrests were offered very early on. But I have never seen
>any 67 or earlier car with them here in Canada (that could reasonably
>be considered original equipment, that is) They did come trimmed in
>leather, my set are leather faced.
>
>I would think the buffalo coloured front headrests would be
>reasonably desireable, that is a fairly rare interior colour I think.
>
>Yours
>Vern
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a set of P6 rear headrests. They are the ones that set on top of
>>the back seat under the rear window. They are the off-white color like
>>that used in the Federal 3500S and 2000 vinyl interiors. Anyone know
> >what the story is on these? How rare are they? When were they produced?
>>What would they have cost as a new option? These seem to be vinyl or
>>Ambla and don't look like they would have come with a leather interior.
>>What cars would they be correct for? Last time I saw any on eBay, I
>>think they went for around $75. Anybody remember?
>>
>>I also have a set of ET front headrests in buffalo (dark brown) that I
>>believe came out of a TC. There are no reading lights in them for rear
>>passengers. What vintage would these be? I think they came in the '67-68
>>TC that I sold to Norm. The original interior of that car was dark
>>brown, but all of the stitching had disintegrated and the leather was
>>shot. Anyone have a need for these?
>>
>>Glen
>>glenwilson at cavtel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:52:03 -0800
>From: "James Dean" <jaguru at bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>To: <glenwilson at cavtel.net>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Message-ID: <003101c63b0e$1e212f30$7001a8c0 at XKEJag>
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>I assumed the ET headrests ended about 68, but am not sure. Every one I had
>had no reading lamps. I have a set of nice later , forward leaning style,
>the same color. They will interchange.I am not sure if either is better; but
>
>I was rearended about 25 years ago, driving a 2000TC with ET headrests. I
>was stopped at a light, and a lady out celerating her birthday rearended me,
>
>doing about 40 MPH. . The rear of th rover looked terrible, the front
>seatbolts ripped out, and the seat tipped back to the back seat.I was
>wearing a seatbelt, and was not affected.Naturally, her insurance company
>was very anxious to settle with me, and have me sign a release.I think I
>accepted about $1500, which seemed a lot back then, unbolted all the bad
>panels, and bolted on good panels the same color, and fixed it in a few
>hours.I think I had to bang out the base about a half inch, by the bootlid.I
>
>certainly will vouch for the ET headrests, and Ralph Nader's statement in
>"Unsafe at any Speed, about the P6,that"All Cars should be built like this"
>James Dean, Ft. Lauderdale.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Wilson" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:17 AM
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a set of P6 rear headrests. They are the ones that set on top of
>> the back seat under the rear window. They are the off-white color like
>> that used in the Federal 3500S and 2000 vinyl interiors. Anyone know
>> what the story is on these? How rare are they? When were they produced?
>> What would they have cost as a new option? These seem to be vinyl or
>> Ambla and don't look like they would have come with a leather interior.
>> What cars would they be correct for? Last time I saw any on eBay, I
>> think they went for around $75. Anybody remember?
>>
>> I also have a set of ET front headrests in buffalo (dark brown) that I
>> believe came out of a TC. There are no reading lights in them for rear
>> passengers. What vintage would these be? I think they came in the '67-68
>> TC that I sold to Norm. The original interior of that car was dark
>> brown, but all of the stitching had disintegrated and the leather was
>> shot. Anyone have a need for these?
>>
>> Glen
>> glenwilson at cavtel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:10:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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>--- Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com> wrote:
>
>> The rear headrests were offered very early on. But I
>> have never seen
>> any 67 or earlier car with them here in Canada (that
>> could reasonably
>> be considered original equipment, that is) They did
>> come trimmed in
>> leather, my set are leather faced.
>>
>> I would think the buffalo coloured front headrests
>> would be
>> reasonably desireable, that is a fairly rare
>> interior colour I think.
>>
>> Yours
>> Vern
>>
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I have a set of P6 rear headrests. They are the
>> ones that set on top of
>> >the back seat under the rear window. They are the
>> off-white color like
>> >that used in the Federal 3500S and 2000 vinyl
>> interiors. Anyone know
>> >what the story is on these? How rare are they? When
>> were they produced?
>> >What would they have cost as a new option? These
>> seem to be vinyl or
>> >Ambla and don't look like they would have come with
>> a leather interior.
>> >What cars would they be correct for? Last time I
>> saw any on eBay, I
>> >think they went for around $75. Anybody remember?
>> >
>> >I also have a set of ET front headrests in buffalo
>> (dark brown) that I
>> >believe came out of a TC. There are no reading
>> lights in them for rear
>> >passengers. What vintage would these be? I think
>> they came in the '67-68
>> >TC that I sold to Norm. The original interior of
>> that car was dark
>> >brown, but all of the stitching had disintegrated
>> and the leather was
>> >shot. Anyone have a need for these?
>> >
>> >Glen
>> >glenwilson at cavtel.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:09:45 +1100
>From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>To: <glenwilson at cavtel.net>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Message-ID: <002301c63b11$0b0caa20$0401010a at p4>
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>Do the ET headrests have a flat bar for their mounting?
>
>PVS
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Glen Wilson" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:17 AM
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P6 Rear Headrests
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a set of P6 rear headrests. They are the ones that set on top of
>> the back seat under the rear window. They are the off-white color like
>> that used in the Federal 3500S and 2000 vinyl interiors. Anyone know
>> what the story is on these? How rare are they? When were they produced?
>> What would they have cost as a new option? These seem to be vinyl or
>> Ambla and don't look like they would have come with a leather interior.
>> What cars would they be correct for? Last time I saw any on eBay, I
>> think they went for around $75. Anybody remember?
>>
>> I also have a set of ET front headrests in buffalo (dark brown) that I
> > believe came out of a TC. There are no reading lights in them for rear
>> passengers. What vintage would these be? I think they came in the '67-68
>> TC that I sold to Norm. The original interior of that car was dark
>> brown, but all of the stitching had disintegrated and the leather was
>> shot. Anyone have a need for these?
>>
>> Glen
>> glenwilson at cavtel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:26:23 -0500
>From: Glen Wilson <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Rover Terminology
>To: RoverNet <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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>On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 14:36 -0500, JYX95K at aol.com wrote:
>> In a message dated 26/02/2006 19:32:16 GMT Standard Time,
>> glenwilson at cavtel.net writes:
>> It is supposed to be blue with a white interior.
>> I am guessing that it is Zircon Blue with a white leather
>> inetrior based
>> on what I have heard.
>>
>> It's called Buckskin in Rover parlance Glen.
>
>Thanks, Nick! ;-)
>
>I used to be fluent in all my P6 interior and exterior colors, but I was
>permanently messed up when I went to recolor an orangey interior. Okay,
>Sandalwood (Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin, Buffalo)? I went to
>the Eastwood factory store and they had spray-on vinyl upholstery colors
>and the one they called Buckskin was a perfect match for what Rover
>called Sandalwood. I haven't been able to keep them straight since. I
>also have a pair of deerskin gloves (often called buckskin over here)
>that are a similar orange color. I finally got to the point where I just
>referred to the two colors as off-white and orangey.
>
>I used to jump all over people for incorrect Rover terminology, before I
>hit 50 and mellowed out. A few years ago, there were people on the list
>who insisted on calling any form of 3500S a Rover P6BS. This used to
>drive me crazy because there already was a Rover sports prototype that
>the company called the P6BS, but no one would listen to me. I haven't
>seen it now for years, so maybe it has died off. (Please don't start it
>up again because I have a very fragile psyche...)
>
>;-)
>
>Glen
>
>
>Interior Trim Color
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:57:56 +1100
>From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith at auroraenergy.com.au>
>Subject: RE: [ROVERNET - UK] Rover Terminology
>To: "'glenwilson at cavtel.net'" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>,
> "'rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com'" <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Message-ID:
>
><9409B494C2CED611BADF00508B948EF80DA65662 at excha01.auroraenergy.com.au>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>But is the dark interior ebony or buffalo? My TC has a dark interior.
>Ahh the BS coupe, killed by Leyland as their first gift to Rover...
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com
>[mailto:rovernet-bounces at lyris.ccdata.com]On Behalf Of Glen Wilson
>Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 7:26 am
>To: RoverNet
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Rover Terminology
>
>
>On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 14:36 -0500, JYX95K at aol.com wrote:
>> In a message dated 26/02/2006 19:32:16 GMT Standard Time,
>> glenwilson at cavtel.net writes:
>> It is supposed to be blue with a white interior.
>> I am guessing that it is Zircon Blue with a white leather
>> inetrior based
>> on what I have heard.
>>
>> It's called Buckskin in Rover parlance Glen.
>
>Thanks, Nick! ;-)
>
>I used to be fluent in all my P6 interior and exterior colors, but I was
>permanently messed up when I went to recolor an orangey interior. Okay,
>Sandalwood (Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin, Buffalo)? I went to
>the Eastwood factory store and they had spray-on vinyl upholstery colors
>and the one they called Buckskin was a perfect match for what Rover
>called Sandalwood. I haven't been able to keep them straight since. I
>also have a pair of deerskin gloves (often called buckskin over here)
>that are a similar orange color. I finally got to the point where I just
>referred to the two colors as off-white and orangey.
>
>I used to jump all over people for incorrect Rover terminology, before I
>hit 50 and mellowed out. A few years ago, there were people on the list
>who insisted on calling any form of 3500S a Rover P6BS. This used to
>drive me crazy because there already was a Rover sports prototype that
>the company called the P6BS, but no one would listen to me. I haven't
>seen it now for years, so maybe it has died off. (Please don't start it
>up again because I have a very fragile psyche...)
>
>;-)
>
>Glen
>
>
>Interior Trim Color
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Toledo Red, Sandalwood, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>Sandalwood, Ebony, Buckskin
>
>
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