[ROVERNET - UK] Series 1 and series 2
RoverP6 at gmx.de
RoverP6 at gmx.de
Mon Jul 10 13:10:57 BST 2006
"Australian Rudiger Wicke" - nice, Andrew :-)
Rudiger
www.RoverP6.info
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "Drew Egginton" <drew at pitstop.net.au>
An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 10:43
Betreff: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Series 1 and series 2
> Hi All
>
> As far as I know...
>
> The single carb 2000s weren't badged as "2000SC" until the revised
> models (aka as "facelift" here in Oz or Series II) came out for the (UK)
> 1971 model year. The Rover model year usually went from September to
> August, so MY1971 went from 09/70 to 08/71. Prior to the 1962 model year
> you could identify the model year from a digit in the chassis number,
> which has returned on cars since the 17 digit VIN became standard.
> Series II models of both 2000 and 3500 should be identified by the
> chassis number prefix. Here in Australia, the year (and month) of a car
> is officially denoted by the fitment of a compliance plate (since about
> 1971) when it is released from customs. The plate confirms that the car
> conforms to Aust regulations. It is this date that dealers usually
> (legally must?) use as the year of a car, although the year of first
> registration is additionally used here in WA. For example an imported
> car could have been built in 1970 as a 1971 model, but if sales were
> slow it may not have been plated (which could have been after the dealer
> sold it) until 1972. I know of a P5B that was for sale a few years ago
> by the original (95 year old!) owner that was plated as a 1972, but
> based on the chassis number and the records of RHD export cars Rover had
> produced each year made it a 1970 model, probably built in 1969!
>
> The NADA 3500S is a peculiar confection as it has features of both eras
> along with unique fittings like the wrap-around bumpers, map pockets in
> the front doors, bonnet scoops and associated plumbing, etc. The fitment
> of some of these may be related to what the marketing dept thought the
> US market wanted, while others were for US regulations or as a trial for
> what might be incorporated on the later "facelift" cars for other markets.
>
> While I don't doubt that Rover may have used up some leftover parts on
> later models or vice versa, I reckon most times you see something
> unusual about a car, it is because something has been damaged and a
> different part has been fitted (for any number of reasons) by a previous
> owner, dealer etc. I've seen countless cars over the years where the
> chassis number has cleared up any confusion about the car. I once went
> to look at a 1965 Rover 2000 that had sadly, although nicely, been
> "facelifted" with parts and panels from later cars. You could probably
> call be the Australian Rudiger Wicke as I am always hunting down any
> Aussie Rover details!
>
> As far as the dashboards go, the NADA 3500S round gauges were
> incorporated on all the "Series II" V8 cars, but as far as the four
> cylinder cars go, only the 2000TC got this dash, the single carb models
> retained the old rectangular instruments, with the new switchgear. I'm
> not sure what transpired with the final 2200 models, (they were never
> offically sold here) but there are a few 2200TCs (round gauges) in WA.
>
> My 1 ½ dollars, but happy to be proved wrong!
>
> Andrew Egginton
> W. Australia
>
> Dirk Burrowes wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >It is funny all this talk about SC and TC models and series 1 and 2.
> >Steve and I were discussing this last weekend.
> >
> >It looks like that the switchover to a series 2 from a series 1 occurred in
> >stages. I have a half breed series 2 with series 1 gauge set that is a 1971
> >model year and I have a 1970 with the egg crate grill. So the transition was
> >over a 2 or even perhaps a 3 year period and may be due to slow moving stock
> >at the dealers who rebadged earlier models as newer ones as stated.
> >
> >To answer Glens question there were absolutely models badged SC and as we
> >all know TC. Big chrome letters in place of the TC logo that says "SC"
> >
> >My 1 and 1/2 cents
> >Dirk
> >
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> >Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA (Geoff Kirkpatrick)
> > 2. Re: Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
> > 3. Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA (John Burkhard)
> > 4. Re: Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA (John Burkhard)
> > 5. Re: Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
> > 6. Re: ?68 P6 2000 (Vern Klukas)
> >
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Geoff Kirkpatrick <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> >Message-ID: <20060623190535.9948.qmail at web36214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> >I have a manual 1966 SC. I wasn't aware that all later SC's were
> >automatics - John's comment on that was the first time I'd heard that.
> >The SC in general seems to be more scarce in the US than the TC. I
> >suspect this car in southern California is actually rather rare, and
> >probably worth saving for that reason alone (though its monetary value is
> >probably minimal as others have noted).
> >
> >Geoff
> >
> >
> >
> >"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of
> >no possible service to him."
> >- William Lyon Phelps
> >
> >Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
> >
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> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:20:25 +0200
> >From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Message-ID: <009501c696fa$17721260$6502a8c0 at p6>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> >Perhaps my list with VIN numbers is helpful in this case - see
> >
> >http://www.roverp6.info/chassisno.htm
> >
> >
> >Rudiger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: "Geoff Kirkpatrick" <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
> >An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 21:05
> >Betreff: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have a manual 1966 SC. I wasn't aware that all later SC's were
> >>automatics - John's comment on that was the first time I'd heard that.
> >>The SC in general seems to be more scarce in the US than the TC. I
> >>suspect this car in southern California is actually rather rare, and
> >>probably worth saving for that reason alone (though its monetary value is
> >>probably minimal as others have noted).
> >>
> >>Geoff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be
> >>
> >>
> >of no possible service to
> >him."
> >
> >
> >>- William Lyon Phelps
> >>
> >>Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
> >>
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> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:23:03 -0700
> >From: "John Burkhard" <burkhaj at earthlink.net>
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Message-ID: <002a01c69702$e1907f70$0a0110ac at john>
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> > reply-type=original
> >
> >According to US Magazines the SC in the US story looks like this.
> >In the November, 1963 issue of ROAD & TRACK, Henry Manney wrote " Exports
> >to the North American continent are not planned until the late summer of
> >1964".
> >In the September, 1964 issue of ROAD & TRACK, the 2000 (SC) was road
> >tested. The road test was done some time July or August of that year.
> >In the December 1964, issue, Rover Motor Co., North America Ltd. ran their
> >first add for the 2000.
> >In the May, 1966 issue of CAR and Driver magazine a TC was tested.
> >So all in all it looks like we had manual shift SC'c for about a year and a
> >half before the Automatic and TC models started coming in to the US and
> >Canada.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Glen Wilson" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:57 PM
> >Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Thursday 22 June 2006 23:26, John Burkhard wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Glen,
> >>>
> >>>I see your point about the parts car designation being out of place.
> >>>About
> >>>the SE models. In the US all 2000s from the introduction in late 1963
> >>>to
> >>>1966 were four speeds. From late 1967 to mid 1969 all SC's imported
> >>>were
> >>>automatics. The gray area is due to a large number of unsold SC four
> >>>speed
> >>>model's in the ports and dealers inventory. Some 1966 SC model year
> >>>cars
> >>>were being sold in 1967 as 1967's or for that mater in 68 as 1968
> >>>models,
> >>>depending on state DMV rules. I think the only way to pin all this down
> >>>is
> >>>with VIN numbers. At this point I don't think it makes any difference
> >>>unless you need parts. Take Care. jb
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Are there any people out there who have or know of early SC's in the USA?
> >>
> >>I must admit that while I have seen a number of 1967 P6's, I don't recall
> >>ever
> >>seeing any earlier cars. (I've seen several 1967 cars registered as
> >>1968s.) I
> >>don't know if the TC's survived better because they were a little bit
> >>more
> >>sporty or if there just weren't many early P6's in the USA. I know there
> >>are
> >>people in the US who have P6's with Dunlop brakes on them, but I forget
> >>when
> >>the changeover to Girling took place.
> >>
> >>What's the scoop on this?
> >>
> >>Glen
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:54:41 -0700
> >From: "John Burkhard" <burkhaj at earthlink.net>
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Message-ID: <003301c69707$401a0490$0a0110ac at john>
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> > reply-type=original
> >
> >Hi Rudiger,
> >
> >VIN numbers may some but the real problem tracking these cars is when did a
> >dealer sell the car. Here in California Rover had a emission control waver
> >up through 1967. This waver allowed dealers to sell left over 1966 year
> >models as 1967 model cars. Other states did not have emission regulations,
> >so for all I know new 1965 Rovers could have registered as 1967 or 8 cars.
> >As, unlike American cars of the time, there were very few, if any bold year
> >model identifiers. Take Care. jb
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:20 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Perhaps my list with VIN numbers is helpful in this case - see
> >>
> >>http://www.roverp6.info/chassisno.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>Rudiger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>Von: "Geoff Kirkpatrick" <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
> >>An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 21:05
> >>Betreff: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have a manual 1966 SC. I wasn't aware that all later SC's were
> >>>automatics - John's comment on that was the first time I'd heard that.
> >>>The SC in general seems to be more scarce in the US than the TC. I
> >>>suspect this car in southern California is actually rather rare, and
> >>>probably worth saving for that reason alone (though its monetary value
> >>>is
> >>>probably minimal as others have noted).
> >>>
> >>>Geoff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be
> >>>of no possible service to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>him."
> >>
> >>
> >>>- William Lyon Phelps
> >>>
> >>>Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
> >>>
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> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 5
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:11:08 +0200
> >From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> >
> >
> >Thanks for explaination, John !
> >
> >Rudiger
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: "John Burkhard" <burkhaj at earthlink.net>
> >An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 22:54
> >Betreff: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Rudiger,
> >>
> >>VIN numbers may some but the real problem tracking these cars is when did
> >>
> >>
> >a
> >
> >
> >>dealer sell the car. Here in California Rover had a emission control
> >>
> >>
> >waver
> >
> >
> >>up through 1967. This waver allowed dealers to sell left over 1966 year
> >>models as 1967 model cars. Other states did not have emission regulations,
> >>so for all I know new 1965 Rovers could have registered as 1967 or 8 cars.
> >>As, unlike American cars of the time, there were very few, if any bold
> >>
> >>
> >year
> >
> >
> >>model identifiers. Take Care. jb
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> >>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:20 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Perhaps my list with VIN numbers is helpful in this case - see
> >>>
> >>>http://www.roverp6.info/chassisno.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Rudiger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>>Von: "Geoff Kirkpatrick" <britcarnut at yahoo.com>
> >>>An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>>Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 21:05
> >>>Betreff: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: Early 2000 SC's in USA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have a manual 1966 SC. I wasn't aware that all later SC's were
> >>>>automatics - John's comment on that was the first time I'd heard that.
> >>>>The SC in general seems to be more scarce in the US than the TC. I
> >>>>suspect this car in southern California is actually rather rare, and
> >>>>probably worth saving for that reason alone (though its monetary value
> >>>>is
> >>>>probably minimal as others have noted).
> >>>>
> >>>>Geoff
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"This is the final test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >be
> >
> >
> >>>>of no possible service to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>him."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>- William Lyon Phelps
> >>>>
> >>>>Geoff Kirkpatrick, 382 Riverside Avenue, Ben Lomond, CA 95005, USA
> >>>>
> >>>>__________________________________________________
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> >Message: 6
> >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:54:44 -0700
> >From: Vern Klukas <vern at inkspotco.com>
> >Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] ?68 P6 2000
> >To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> >Message-ID: <a0610040bc0c204b9514d@[192.168.1.100]>
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> >
> >My memory is that .030" is the maximum, but I'm not sure about that.
> >
> >Something to watch: The valve seats have a
> >tendency to loosen if very much material is
> >removed, they should be swaged in or replaced
> >unless you want to risk a seat falling out in
> >operation, with much damage resulting.
> >
> >Yours
> >Vern
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Just got this email from Ontario / Canada:
> >>
> >>" I am wondering if you might be able to help me
> >>out getting some information. We are planing the
> >>head on a 1968 Rover P2000, 4 cylinders with
> >>dual carburetors, and the machine shop wants to
> >>know
> >>what the head thickness specification is. Might
> >>you have any idea where we could get this
> >>information?"
> >>
> >>Any idea / comment ?
> >>
> >>Rudiger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>Von: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
> >>An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 19:45
> >>Betreff: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] French P6 - Series 1, Series 2
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Glen,
> >>>
> >>> all French P6 V8 "Series 1" with Series 2 VIN
> >>>number I saw (on photos or advertised) have had
> >>> "Series 2" look (like bonnet with bulges etc:).
> >>>
> >>> Seems that this "Series 1" title is a French spaciality...
> >>>
> >>> Rudiger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> >>> Von: "Glen Wilson" <glenwilson at cavtel.net>
> >>> An: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 19:37
> >>> Betreff: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] French P6 - Series 1, Series 2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday 23 June 2006 12:42, RoverP6 at gmx.de wrote:
> >>> > Glen, I just got an email from a French who bought a 472 P6 V8 LHD,
> >>>
> >>>
> >first
> >
> >
> >>> > registered in France. There is an additional "Series 1" stamped along
> >>>
> >>>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>> > the VIN number in the engine bay.
> >>> >
> >>> > I4ve seen some French P6 in the past, advertised as "Series 1", with
> >>>
> >>>
> >first
> >
> >
> >>> > registration 1971->
> >>> >
> >>> > I have no explaination.
> >>> >
> >>> > Rudiger
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Does it have round gauges, egg-crate plastic
> >>>grille and bulges in the bonnett?
> >>> It might just be a Series 1 that was sold late and registered in the
> >>> following year, but you said it had a Series 2 VIN. It seems odd that
> >>>
> >>>
> >it
> >
> >
> >>> would be stamped "Series 1" with the meaning we give that phrase.
> >>>
> >>>
> >Frequently
> >
> >
> >>> there is no official "MK I" of models until
> >>>people look back from the "MK II"
> >>> series of a thing. Was there ever really an "SC" model of the 2000 or
> >>>
> >>>
> >did
> >
> >
> >>> people just call them that after the TC came out?
> >>>
> >>> And then there's my all-time nomenclature bugaboo: There never was a
> >>>
> >>>
> >"P6BS"
> >
> >
> >>> production model (it was the designation of a prototype).
> >>>
> >>> ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Glen
> >>>
> >>> Glen
> >>>
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