[ROVERNET - UK] Northeast Rover event
Glen Wilson
rovercar at comcast.net
Mon Apr 23 07:01:17 BST 2007
Thanks for your work on this, Dirk!
It's good that you took the initiative to do this.
My son, James, is doing a research internship in Worcester, MA this
summer, so we may well be able to attend. I'll send you a definite RSVP
soon.
Glen
Dirk Burrowes wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Well as many may know my initial suggestion to have a Northeast Rover event
> was met with mixed enthusiasm. In spite of the fact that this may end life
> as we know it I have decided to host a modest Rover get together this June.
> Now I know I have procrastinated and many will already have plans but for
> those of you that don't I would love to see you and talk all matters
> Rover!!!! I am really hoping to lay the foundation for a regular event in
> addition to the fall event the Stephen Beer hosts. I am really hoping that I
> will see a few of you and if there is anything I can do to facilitate your
> presence please let me know.
>
> I would appreciate a RSVP so I can plan the food and such
>
> The event is planned to coincide with the British by the Sea event in
> Connecticut the first weekend in June www.ctmgclub.com My Plan is to have
> as many as will come on Saturday June 2nd beginning at 10:00 AM and ending
> whenever. Then on Sunday morning to depart to Harkness Memorial park for
> "The British by the Sea Car Show" sponsored by the Connecticut MG club. A
> wonderful event and not to be missed!!!
>
> So here's the deal...
>
> This is a rain or shine event with an indoor venue if it rains. All are
> invited whether you have a car or not kids and wives too
>
> We can support a fair number of cars and people so bring it on
>
> We will have a nice ride to the summit of MT. Wachusetts
>
> Afternoon Tea
>
> Discounts on hotels stays at the Best Western hotel
>
> Parts swap /parts jumble to all who care to bring parts for trade or sale
>
> Informal tech sessions
>
> Dinner and Rover movies with the
> Would famous BBQ by the Bastey boys competition BBQ team
> A few pints at the local pub to finish off the night
> Sunday AM off to Connecticut to the "British by the Sea"
>
> Things to note:
>
> You can rent a car dolly from UHAUL http://www.uhaul.com/towing
>
> Directions to the event can be found here
> www.graniteart.com/pages/home/directions
>
> I will have a chase truck for the ride to Connecticut so we can fix or tow
> if a problem occurs.
>
> There is no cost for this event
>
> I will have on hand all the my cars P3 through Ronda that run and many that
> don't and for those of you who care to take one for a spin you are welcome
> to.
>
> If you cannot make it with your car please come anyway if you plan to fly in
> I will arrange pick up and drop off at any of the 3 regional airports at no
> cost
>
> I get great rates at a decent local Best Western Hotel or can accommodate
> campers
>
> You will look back on this and say I am glad I came or wish you had if you
> don't so forget the excuses and just plan to do it!!!!
>
> Warm Rover Regards to All
>
> Dirk Burrowes 978-502-2289
>
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: brake line configuration again (Eric Russell)
> 2. Re: Are the rear crankshaft oil sealsonSD1motors 1
> piece or
> 2 piece? (Paul Smith)
> 3. Re: brake line configuration again (Paul Smith)
> 4. Brake hook-up (Fletcher)
> 5. Re: Brake hook-up (Paul Smith)
> 6. Re: Brake hook-up (Fletcher)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
> To: rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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> Bill,
> I thought you just provided your own answer. The line
> from the brake servo (solid pipe) goes to a bracket in
> an arch behind the trunk. The flexible line goes from
> that point to the top of the passenger side caliper.
> Another flexible pipe goes from the lower threaded
> hole on the passenger side to the upper hole on the
> driver's side via a bracket and a short length of
> pipe. The bleed screw is on the bottom of the
> driver's side caliper.
>
> Eric
>
> --- Bill Robertson <rover2000nut at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm sorry if i appear dimwitted today but can we
>> review the caliper
>> configuration again..........I had the main line
>> from the master cyl
>> attaching to the top brake hose on the passenger
>> side caliper (North
>> American) and the bottom brake hose going to the
>> drivers side
>> caliper........My bleed screw is on the bottom and
>> the small metal brake
>> pipe is on the top of the drivers
>> side............i'm just looking for the
>> hook up of the caliper on the passenger side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:00:53 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil
> sealsonSD1motors 1 piece or 2 piece?
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> I was not planning to lift the heads, just sort those bolts.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at wcc.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil sealsonSD1motors 1
> piece or 2 piece?
>
>
>
>> Leave them out. Use studs and nuts on the other ten holes
>> per side.
>>
>> Kent K.
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:26:44 +1000
>> "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> While I am at it (some time in the future anyway),
>>> should I leave the outer
>>> row of head bolts out, or just low torque?
>>>
>>> PVS
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at wcc.net>
>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil
>>> seals onSD1motors 1
>>> piece or 2 piece?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or the transmission...but you won't have to do it as
>>>> often:-)
>>>>
>>>> Roveregretfully,
>>>> Kent K.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:31:34 +1000
>>>> "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Uggh, so I have to pull the motor...
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at wcc.net>
>>>>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:45 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft
>>>>>
>>>> oil
>>>>
>>>>> seals on SD1motors
>>>>> 1 piece or 2 piece?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> One piece. Changeover was in 1976.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roverly,
>>>>>> Kent K.
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:01:38 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
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> It was set up as per factory.
>
> PVS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:45 AM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
>
>
>
>> I'm sorry if i appear dimwitted today but can we review the caliper
>> configuration again..........I had the main line from the master cyl
>> attaching to the top brake hose on the passenger side caliper (North
>> American) and the bottom brake hose going to the drivers side
>> caliper........My bleed screw is on the bottom and the small metal brake
>> pipe is on the top of the drivers side............i'm just looking for the
>> hook up of the caliper on the passenger side
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bill Robertson
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:45:59 -0400
> From: Fletcher <gofanu at usachoice.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
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> Guys-
> Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
> you can figure it out!
>
> The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
> or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
> that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
> there must be a top exit port.
> ***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
> So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
> in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
> bleed screw.
>
> It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
> things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
> can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
> one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
> these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
> same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
> hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
> 3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
> with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
> same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
> similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
> will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
> flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
> fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
> to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
> next time round.
>
> There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
> - though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
> they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
> road, definitely kill it.
>
> FRM
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:24:11 +1000
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
> To: <gofanu at usachoice.net>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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> Nup!
> You assumed a volume that precludes surface tension effects.
> The bubbles will move Down through a small volume. Brake pipe bleeding
> relies on this. It works on the rear calipers.
> The book Does show it, just not closeup, see P.70.25.02 in the P6B manual
> fopr the bleed nipple, and 24L in the 2000 manual for showing the whole
> system, with the caliper link pipe clearly exiting from Below the entry pipe
> to the RH caliper.
>
> PVS
> One day I will measure the voltage on the headlights...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fletcher" <gofanu at usachoice.net>
> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
>
>
>
>> Guys-
>> Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
>> you can figure it out!
>>
>> The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
>> or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
>> that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
>> there must be a top exit port.
>> ***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
>> So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
>> in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
>> bleed screw.
>>
>> It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
>> things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
>> can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
>> one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
>> these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
>> same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
>> hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
>> 3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
>> with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
>> same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
>> similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
>> will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
>> flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
>> fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
>> to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
>> next time round.
>>
>> There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
>> - though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
>> they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
>> road, definitely kill it.
>>
>> FRM
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:44:50 -0400
> From: Fletcher <gofanu at usachoice.net>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
> To: Paul Smith <vmitps at netspace.net.au>, rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
> Message-ID: <462AF652.6010905 at usachoice.net>
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> Paul-
> Dint either! I know it works on pipes, I was talking about large
> volumes, i.e. calipers; and that is implicit in my description of the
> interconnect pipe as "...exits high, enters the other side low...".
> I got 24L --( "clearly" exiting from below the entry pipe) -- is
> clearly a hell of a stretch! Given the effects of perspective, angles,
> and the like, I don't get any clear sense of the position in vertical
> dimension.
>
> FRM
>
> Paul Smith wrote:
>
>
>> Nup!
>> You assumed a volume that precludes surface tension effects.
>> The bubbles will move Down through a small volume. Brake pipe bleeding
>> relies on this. It works on the rear calipers.
>> The book Does show it, just not closeup, see P.70.25.02 in the P6B manual
>> fopr the bleed nipple, and 24L in the 2000 manual for showing the whole
>> system, with the caliper link pipe clearly exiting from Below the entry
>>
> pipe
>
>> to the RH caliper.
>>
>> PVS
>> One day I will measure the voltage on the headlights...
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fletcher" <gofanu at usachoice.net>
>> To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
>>
>>
>>
>>> Guys-
>>> Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
>>> you can figure it out!
>>>
>>> The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
>>> or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
>>> that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
>>> there must be a top exit port.
>>> ***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
>>> So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
>>> in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
>>> bleed screw.
>>>
>>> It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
>>> things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
>>> can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
>>> one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
>>> these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
>>> same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
>>> hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
>>> 3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
>>> with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
>>> same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
>>> similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
>>> will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
>>> flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
>>> fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
>>> to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
>>> next time round.
>>>
>>> There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
>>> - though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
>>> they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
>>> road, definitely kill it.
>>>
>>> FRM
>>>
>>>
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