[ROVERNET - UK] Rover event
Dirk Burrowes
dirk at vy-tek.com
Mon Apr 23 04:06:44 BST 2007
Hello All,
Well as many may know my initial suggestion to have a Northeast Rover event
was met with mixed enthusiasm. In spite of the fact that this may end life
as we know it I have decided to host a modest Rover get together this June.
Now I know I have procrastinated and many will already have plans but for
those of you that don't I would love to see you and talk all matters
Rover!!!! I am really hoping to lay the foundation for a regular event in
addition to the fall event the Stephen Beer hosts. I am really hoping that I
will see a few of you and if there is anything I can do to facilitate your
presence please let me know.
I would appreciate a RSVP so I can plan the food and such
The event is planned to coincide with the British by the Sea event in
Connecticut the first weekend in June www.ctmgclub.com My Plan is to have
as many as will come on Saturday June 2nd beginning at 10:00 AM and ending
whenever. Then on Sunday morning to depart to Harkness Memorial park for
"The British by the Sea Car Show" sponsored by the Connecticut MG club. A
wonderful event and not to be missed!!!
So here's the deal...
This is a rain or shine event with an indoor venue if it rains. All are
invited whether you have a car or not kids and wives too
We can support a fair number of cars and people so bring it on
We will have a nice ride to the summit of MT. Wachusetts
Afternoon Tea
Discounts on hotels stays at the Best Western hotel
Parts swap /parts jumble to all who care to bring parts for trade or sale
Informal tech sessions
Dinner and Rover movies with the
Would famous BBQ by the Bastey boys competition BBQ team
A few pints at the local pub to finish off the night
Sunday AM off to Connecticut to the "British by the Sea"
Things to note:
You can rent a car dolly from UHAUL http://www.uhaul.com/towing
Directions to the event can be found here
www.graniteart.com/pages/home/directions
I will have a chase truck for the ride to Connecticut so we can fix or tow
if a problem occurs.
There is no cost for this event
I will have on hand all the my cars P3 through Ronda that run and many that
don't and for those of you who care to take one for a spin you are welcome
to.
If you cannot make it with your car please come anyway if you plan to fly in
I will arrange pick up and drop off at any of the 3 regional airports at no
cost
I get great rates at a decent local Best Western Hotel or can accommodate
campers
You will look back on this and say I am glad I came or wish you had if you
don't so forget the excuses and just plan to do it!!!!
Warm Rover Regards to All
Dirk Burrowes 978-502-2289
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[ROVERNET-UK]
Today's Topics:
1. Re: brake line configuration again (Eric Russell)
2. Re: Are the rear crankshaft oil sealsonSD1motors 1
piece or
2 piece? (Paul Smith)
3. Re: brake line configuration again (Paul Smith)
4. Brake hook-up (Fletcher)
5. Re: Brake hook-up (Paul Smith)
6. Re: Brake hook-up (Fletcher)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
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Bill,
I thought you just provided your own answer. The line
from the brake servo (solid pipe) goes to a bracket in
an arch behind the trunk. The flexible line goes from
that point to the top of the passenger side caliper.
Another flexible pipe goes from the lower threaded
hole on the passenger side to the upper hole on the
driver's side via a bracket and a short length of
pipe. The bleed screw is on the bottom of the
driver's side caliper.
Eric
--- Bill Robertson <rover2000nut at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry if i appear dimwitted today but can we
> review the caliper
> configuration again..........I had the main line
> from the master cyl
> attaching to the top brake hose on the passenger
> side caliper (North
> American) and the bottom brake hose going to the
> drivers side
> caliper........My bleed screw is on the bottom and
> the small metal brake
> pipe is on the top of the drivers
> side............i'm just looking for the
> hook up of the caliper on the passenger side
>
> Thanks
> Bill Robertson
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:00:53 +1000
From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil
sealsonSD1motors 1 piece or 2 piece?
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I was not planning to lift the heads, just sort those bolts.
PVS
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil sealsonSD1motors 1
piece or 2 piece?
> Leave them out. Use studs and nuts on the other ten holes
> per side.
>
> Kent K.
>
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:26:44 +1000
> "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote:
> > While I am at it (some time in the future anyway),
> >should I leave the outer
> > row of head bolts out, or just low torque?
> >
> > PVS
> >
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> > To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft oil
> >seals onSD1motors 1
> > piece or 2 piece?
> >
> >
> >> Or the transmission...but you won't have to do it as
> >> often:-)
> >>
> >> Roveregretfully,
> >> Kent K.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:31:34 +1000
> >> "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au> wrote:
> >> > Uggh, so I have to pull the motor...
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Kent Kinard" <kkinard at wcc.net>
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> >> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:45 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Are the rear crankshaft
> >>oil
> >> >seals on SD1motors
> >> > 1 piece or 2 piece?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> One piece. Changeover was in 1976.
> >> >>
> >> >> Roverly,
> >> >> Kent K.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:01:38 +1000
From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
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It was set up as per factory.
PVS
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From: "Bill Robertson" <rover2000nut at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] brake line configuration again
> I'm sorry if i appear dimwitted today but can we review the caliper
> configuration again..........I had the main line from the master cyl
> attaching to the top brake hose on the passenger side caliper (North
> American) and the bottom brake hose going to the drivers side
> caliper........My bleed screw is on the bottom and the small metal brake
> pipe is on the top of the drivers side............i'm just looking for the
> hook up of the caliper on the passenger side
>
> Thanks
> Bill Robertson
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:45:59 -0400
From: Fletcher <gofanu at usachoice.net>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
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Guys-
Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
you can figure it out!
The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
there must be a top exit port.
***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
bleed screw.
It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
next time round.
There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
- though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
road, definitely kill it.
FRM
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:24:11 +1000
From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
To: <gofanu at usachoice.net>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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Nup!
You assumed a volume that precludes surface tension effects.
The bubbles will move Down through a small volume. Brake pipe bleeding
relies on this. It works on the rear calipers.
The book Does show it, just not closeup, see P.70.25.02 in the P6B manual
fopr the bleed nipple, and 24L in the 2000 manual for showing the whole
system, with the caliper link pipe clearly exiting from Below the entry pipe
to the RH caliper.
PVS
One day I will measure the voltage on the headlights...
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From: "Fletcher" <gofanu at usachoice.net>
To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
> Guys-
> Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
> you can figure it out!
>
> The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
> or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
> that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
> there must be a top exit port.
> ***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
> So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
> in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
> bleed screw.
>
> It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
> things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
> can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
> one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
> these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
> same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
> hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
> 3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
> with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
> same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
> similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
> will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
> flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
> fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
> to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
> next time round.
>
> There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
> - though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
> they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
> road, definitely kill it.
>
> FRM
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:44:50 -0400
From: Fletcher <gofanu at usachoice.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
To: Paul Smith <vmitps at netspace.net.au>, rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com
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Paul-
Dint either! I know it works on pipes, I was talking about large
volumes, i.e. calipers; and that is implicit in my description of the
interconnect pipe as "...exits high, enters the other side low...".
I got 24L --( "clearly" exiting from below the entry pipe) -- is
clearly a hell of a stretch! Given the effects of perspective, angles,
and the like, I don't get any clear sense of the position in vertical
dimension.
FRM
Paul Smith wrote:
>Nup!
>You assumed a volume that precludes surface tension effects.
>The bubbles will move Down through a small volume. Brake pipe bleeding
>relies on this. It works on the rear calipers.
>The book Does show it, just not closeup, see P.70.25.02 in the P6B manual
>fopr the bleed nipple, and 24L in the 2000 manual for showing the whole
>system, with the caliper link pipe clearly exiting from Below the entry
pipe
>to the RH caliper.
>
>PVS
>One day I will measure the voltage on the headlights...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fletcher" <gofanu at usachoice.net>
>To: <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
>Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 2:45 PM
>Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Brake hook-up
>
>
>>Guys-
>>Odd that Rover doesn't show how to hook up the pipes, maybe they figure
>>you can figure it out!
>>
>> The simple fact is that it's just physics; regardless of how it "was"
>>or is "supposed to be" -- there's only one thing that works. Any pocket
>>that is closed at the top will hold air and therefore cannot be bled -
>>there must be a top exit port.
>>***This means that fluid has to go in low and come out high.***
>> So, for a single bleed screw system with two cylinders, the fluid goes
>>in low, exits high, enters the other side low, and exits high at the
>>bleed screw.
>>
>>It is expected that all of these cars today have been apart and had many
>>things changed, DO NOT assume that "how it was" is even close. Fittings
>>can be very misleading; ports are commonly machined with tools that make
>>one type of port that is suitable for multiple different fittings, and
>>these things are not necessarily reversible. Bleed screw ports are the
>>same thread and sometimes the same bottom configuration as the threaded
>>hose or tube end ports. One common port is for the round nose long
>>3/8-24 hose end or male tube/bubble flare nut, but is more often used
>>with a short 3/8 -24 copper gasket sealed hose, or banjo bolts with the
>>same copper gaskets, at caliper and other cylinder ports. There are
>>similar and perhaps more common tapered end/double flare hoses, which
>>will deform to round end in a round bottom port. . There are inverted
>>flare pipe ends that use the same male nut as double or bubble flare
>>fittings. This can confuse the hell out of you, but it can also be used
>>to advantage when forced to make do - which again leads to mystery the
>>next time round.
>>
>>There are in fact a few demented systems which do not follow these rules
>>- though it's usually a case of the wrong but similar parts fitted, and
>>they are a PITA to service; if you meet this particular Buddha in the
>>road, definitely kill it.
>>
>>FRM
>>
>>
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