[ROVERNET - UK] clock woes
jpsco44 at aol.com
jpsco44 at aol.com
Sun Jan 7 19:33:39 GMT 2007
the smiths clock is really a pain !!
after trying to repair one , ( i even added the transistor circuit to
ease the current flow through the tiny carbon brush at the whisker ) i
opted for radical surgery. the wear of the carbon brush and the steel
pin was too much.
i was able to successfully transplant a quartz movement into the
housing.
found a round quartz movement that fits nicely in the case , had to
modify also the lighting arrangement
the problem with the kienzle is that the setting takes place through
the button in the center of the face and the transplant could get to be
more difficult if you want to keep the setting from the face. ( anyway
with a quartz movement who wants to set the clock ? )
JPS
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From: david at davidwalter.net
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Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Re: rovernet Digest, Vol 50, Issue 8
Hi Geff,
The clock should work if you have it wired correctly, try reinstalling
it and see if it then works.
1 minute a week is pretty good for these clocks, they are
electro-mechanical not quartz and there is no temperature compensation
either.
At 1 minute a week I would leave it alone.
They can be repaired I have overhauled, cleaned and bushed many of
them in the past.
They do wear badly, especially in the bearings after 30+ years,
imagine what the engine would be like if it ran non stop for that long.
You have to decide if its worth overhauling the clock, the only
choices are, overhaul it, do nothing, or attempt to replace it.
It seems to me keeping your car original is always a worthwhile
proposition.
As for buying a replacement clock, it will have come from a scrapped
Rover and is more than likely just as bad if not worse condition, the
statement that "it runs" is meaningless and will give no clue as to its
real mechanical condition
The Kienzle clock was a very successful clock movement used from 1962
until 1977 when it was replaced by quartz, many makers in UK and Europe
used the Kienzle movement with different dials and housings.
In UK the Kienzle replaced the Smiths car clock which was truly a
piece of junk, it ran badly and is unrepairable.
David
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> From: "geffandjulie" <geffandjulie at comcast.net>
> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Kienzle clock regulation
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> My clock works in the car but loses minutes a week. I have the >
instrument
> binnacle out, and have hooked up 12V DC to the male connector and
case
> ground. I measure 14v across, yet the clock seems not to work. I
have > hooked
> up a spare clock in parallel, and it also does not work, tho' I
cannot
> verify that it worked before.Ideas please.
> Also, is it worth 'overhauling' these old clocks? Nobody here in >
Portland
> OR has the capabilities, I think.
> Geff and Julie McCarthy
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> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:52:52 +0100
> From: Tomas B?rjeson <tmastaff at tripnet.se>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Kienzle clock regulation
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> Hi
> These clocks are mechanical clocks with electric
> winding of the spring. It's usually this
> mechanism (or the spring) that breaks if they do
> not work. It is possible to repair them (I've
> done it) but if you can't do it yourself it may
> be difficult to find someone who is willing to
> try. There is a +/- adjustment on them but I
> don't think you can expect much greater accuracy
> then about a minute a week or so at best,
> especially after a quarter century or more. It's
> not a modern quartz crystal controlled electronic
> movement. You could always insert a modern
> movement in the old casing. You'll lose the intermittent "tick" >
however.
>
> Tomas Börjeson
> Gothenburg, SWEDEN
> 1975 Rover 2200 TC Almond Yellow
> 1972 Rover 3500 V8 Cameron Green
> 1999 Rover 75 Connoisseur
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>
> At 07:30 2007-01-07, you wrote:
>>My clock works in the car but loses minutes a
>>week. I have the instrument binnacle out, and
>>have hooked up 12V DC to the male connector and
>>case ground. I measure 14v across, yet the clock
>>seems not to work. I have hooked up a spare
>>clock in parallel, and it also does not work,
>>tho' I cannot verify that it worked before.Ideas please.
>>Also, is it worth 'overhauling' these old
>>clocks? Nobody here in Portland OR has the capabilities, I think.
>>Geff and Julie McCarthy
>>AvMedSafe
>>503-241-8468
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> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:51:03 +1100
> From: "Paul Smith" <vmitps at netspace.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] Kienzle clock regulation
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> How was the clock sitting when you were testing?
> They are sensitive to the angle.
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> Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] Kienzle clock regulation
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>> My clock works in the car but loses minutes a week. I have the >>
instrument
>> binnacle out, and have hooked up 12V DC to the male connector and
>> case
>> ground. I measure 14v across, yet the clock seems not to work. I
have
> hooked
>> up a spare clock in parallel, and it also does not work, tho' I >>
cannot
>> verify that it worked before.Ideas please.
>> Also, is it worth 'overhauling' these old clocks? Nobody here in >>
Portland
>> OR has the capabilities, I think.
>> Geff and Julie McCarthy
>> AvMedSafe
>> 503-241-8468
>>
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