[ROVERNET - UK] Rare TCs
Dirk Burrowes
dirk at vy-tek.com
Sat Feb 9 17:26:34 GMT 2008
I have had a TC 2000 series 11 since 1978 VIN 4350000078A made 12/70 om the
VIN tag I started a restoration when I was young and dumb got about 1/3 into
it and then life took over. I have had it sitting inside a old truck trailer
since 1983. I guess I will have to finish it at some point.
Dirk
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers (RoverP6 at gmx.de)
2. Re: P4 overdrive onto P2 cars (Mike Maher)
3. P4 overdrive onto P2 cars (Alan Gale)
4. Re: 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers (Kent Kinard)
5. Re: 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers-sorted! (Nathan Obuch)
6. Re: 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers-sorted!
(David Sheuring)
7. US Rover Automobile Directory (S Manwell)
8. Re: 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers-sorted! (Eric Russell)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:22:27 +0100
From: <RoverP6 at gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers
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"..The other Federal cars were the series II cars with commission numbers
starting in 435... these are especially rare since there were only a couple
of hundred or so made.."
See my listing http://www.roverp6.info/Produktionszahlen.htm
Rudiger
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Von: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
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Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Februar 2008 03:37
Betreff: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers
> On 2/7/08, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Kent,
>>
>> What do you mean by "a 418 and an 859?"
>> Are these VIN prefixes or something?
>>
>
>
> 418 is the first three digit in the commission number and identifies
> the car as LHD export - i.e. markets including but not limited to
> North America whereas 859 is a Federal car for North America only
>
> The reason of the overlap is that the 418 series cars continued to be
> sold in other LHD markets after the Federal cars were introduced. NADA
> cars were a subset of these but shared the commission numbers for
> other LHD export cars.As I understand it the NADA cars were simply
> seen a unique combination of options on the basic export TC rather
> than a separate model
>
> A 418 or NADA car will have the no side markers and no US emission
> controls, whereas the 859 car would have had these from new as well as
> dual braking circuits which necessitated treating this as a different
> model on the assembly lines
>
> The other Federal cars were the series II cars with commission numbers
> starting in 435... these are especially rare since there were only a
> couple of hundred or so made
>
> Aidrian
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:20:23 -0000
From: "Mike Maher" <michael.maher at virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] P4 overdrive onto P2 cars
To: <agale at iinet.net.au>, <rovernet at lyris.ccdata.com>
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Yes Alan,
It has been done in the UK with a properly engineered conversion involving
replacement of the Freewheel with a Laycock "J" type overdrive. This
conversion provides separate lubrication for the Overdrive. Earlier Cars
may differ, but for later P2's, this requires a machined casting to link
the gearbox and overdrive and a mainshaft (plus bearings/ oil seals) to
link the overdrive input with the gearbox output. To support the new
transmission you need gearbox support steelwork, mounting rubbers that
replace the rubber block between gearbox and chassis. There is also a
replacement mounting bracket for the gearchange remote and a shorter
propshaft.
The recommended overdrive for the conversion is a Laycock J type ( from a
Volvo or Triumph etc).
For further information, contact Mike Evans P2roverman at tiscali.co.uk
I believe that there are some examples about with Freeewheel and overdrive.
I will try and find out some more and post to Rovernet
Hope this helps
regards
Mike Maher
1947 16 Sports Saloon
1946 Kitcher special
2000 Discovery TD5
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:29 AM
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P4 overdrive onto P2 cars
> Has anyone tried to graft a P4 overdrive onto a P2 gearbox? My '35 Rover
> 10
> has a freewheeling unit, and I am wondering if the early overdrives have
> similar facing plates ... or ones which could easily be modified.
> Is this something any rover pre-warriors have looked at?
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 22:06:30 +0900
From: "Alan Gale" <agale at iinet.net.au>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] P4 overdrive onto P2 cars
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Hmmm
Mike - thanks for the response. I am thinking simply installing a longer
legged crown wheel and pinion (say 4:1) might be the simpler way to go.
No engineering alterations ... straightforward job, especially as I have a
spare diff which can be taken away, modified and then fitted ... leaving the
original there should someone in the future not want the long legged
version.
Estimates here in Australia for making up the longer cw/p are about $A2k, so
I reckon it would work out more cost effective than all the engineering and
bracket making the overdrive would involve.
Alan
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:22:59 -0600
From: Kent Kinard <kentkinard at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery numbers
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Yes, VIN prefixes. -Kent K.
Nathan Obuch wrote:
> Kent,
>
> What do you mean by "a 418 and an 859?"
> Are these VIN prefixes or something?
>
> I hate to think that there's some minutiae about 2000
> TCs that I'm unfamiliar with.
>
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> --- Kent Kinard <kentkinard at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Netters,
>> We have turned up three 2000TC's for sale. Two (a
>> 418 and an 859) in
>> Tulsa, OK. and a '68 TC on Dallas Craigslist located
>> in Richardson, TX.
>> This last is a California black plate car. Yellow
>> with brown top, light
>> colored interior. Ran until parked outside two
>> years ago, still no
>> rust. Bad clutch master. New one included...$750.
>>
>> Roversuptomyeyeballsedly,
>> Kent K.
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 07:08:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery
numbers-sorted!
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Thanks, I understand now. All this talk of subsets
enough to make one want to draw a Venn diagram!
Nathan
--- Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2/7/08, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Kent,
> >
> > What do you mean by "a 418 and an 859?"
> > Are these VIN prefixes or something?
> >
>
>
> 418 is the first three digit in the commission
> number and identifies
> the car as LHD export - i.e. markets including but
> not limited to
> North America whereas 859 is a Federal car for North
> America only
>
> The reason of the overlap is that the 418 series
> cars continued to be
> sold in other LHD markets after the Federal cars
> were introduced. NADA
> cars were a subset of these but shared the
> commission numbers for
> other LHD export cars.As I understand it the NADA
> cars were simply
> seen a unique combination of options on the basic
> export TC rather
> than a separate model
>
> A 418 or NADA car will have the no side markers and
> no US emission
> controls, whereas the 859 car would have had these
> from new as well as
> dual braking circuits which necessitated treating
> this as a different
> model on the assembly lines
>
> The other Federal cars were the series II cars with
> commission numbers
> starting in 435... these are especially rare since
> there were only a
> couple of hundred or so made
>
> Aidrian
>
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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 07:13:50 -0800 (PST)
From: David Sheuring <rovertcv8 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery
numbers-sorted!
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Ok...I have to ask....whats a Venn diagram? As I am a
partial educated man who is still workin g on his
college degree.
Cheers
David
--- Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I understand now. All this talk of subsets
> enough to make one want to draw a Venn diagram!
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> --- Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2/7/08, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Kent,
> > >
> > > What do you mean by "a 418 and an 859?"
> > > Are these VIN prefixes or something?
> > >
> >
> >
> > 418 is the first three digit in the commission
> > number and identifies
> > the car as LHD export - i.e. markets including but
> > not limited to
> > North America whereas 859 is a Federal car for
> North
> > America only
> >
> > The reason of the overlap is that the 418 series
> > cars continued to be
> > sold in other LHD markets after the Federal cars
> > were introduced. NADA
> > cars were a subset of these but shared the
> > commission numbers for
> > other LHD export cars.As I understand it the NADA
> > cars were simply
> > seen a unique combination of options on the basic
> > export TC rather
> > than a separate model
> >
> > A 418 or NADA car will have the no side markers
> and
> > no US emission
> > controls, whereas the 859 car would have had these
> > from new as well as
> > dual braking circuits which necessitated treating
> > this as a different
> > model on the assembly lines
> >
> > The other Federal cars were the series II cars
> with
> > commission numbers
> > starting in 435... these are especially rare
> since
> > there were only a
> > couple of hundred or so made
> >
> > Aidrian
> >
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Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:39:05 -0500
From: S Manwell <s_manwell at alum.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: [ROVERNET - UK] US Rover Automobile Directory
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John Burkhard and I are updating the western (John) and eastern (me)
region Rover Automobile Directories. I believe we last sent out updates
to everyone in the directories in March '07.
If you and your Rovers would like to be included in the directory
listing or if you have updates to the current directory, please let us
know. The intent of the directory is to help US Rover owners keep in
touch and see where their Rover neighbors are in their region.
--Steve Manwell
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:56:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Russell <p6rovers at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ROVERNET - UK] 3-2000TC's for sale- mystery
numbers-sorted!
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Hmmmmm,...... that was part of the "new math" I had to
learn how to teach my Grade 7 students in the 1970s
(changed out of that after 5 years thank goodness).
Write "numbers" from 0 to 50.
Arrange the numbers in such a way that you can draw a
circle around them.
Draw another circle which contains only even numbers
and overlaps the first circle and the original
numbers.
You should have two overlaping circles. There is an
intersecting portion which contains your even numbers.
Outside that intersection but within the first circle
are all the other numbers. Outside that intersection
but within the second circle is nothing.
That's a Venn diagram. As the mathematics get more
complicated you can get more circles and more
challenging tasks. The head explodes with the
possibilities.
Apparently, the powers-that-be changed and they
determined that this mathematical activity for
children who had not reached the mental age of 11 was
too mind-blowing and common sense prevailed.
Eric
--- David Sheuring <rovertcv8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok...I have to ask....whats a Venn diagram? As I am
> a
> partial educated man who is still workin g on his
> college degree.
> Cheers
> David
> --- Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I understand now. All this talk of subsets
> > enough to make one want to draw a Venn diagram!
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
> > <smokeandsteam at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 2/7/08, Nathan Obuch <nathanobuch at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Kent,
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean by "a 418 and an 859?"
> > > > Are these VIN prefixes or something?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 418 is the first three digit in the commission
> > > number and identifies
> > > the car as LHD export - i.e. markets including
> but
> > > not limited to
> > > North America whereas 859 is a Federal car for
> > North
> > > America only
> > >
> > > The reason of the overlap is that the 418 series
> > > cars continued to be
> > > sold in other LHD markets after the Federal cars
> > > were introduced. NADA
> > > cars were a subset of these but shared the
> > > commission numbers for
> > > other LHD export cars.As I understand it the
> NADA
> > > cars were simply
> > > seen a unique combination of options on the
> basic
> > > export TC rather
> > > than a separate model
> > >
> > > A 418 or NADA car will have the no side markers
> > and
> > > no US emission
> > > controls, whereas the 859 car would have had
> these
> > > from new as well as
> > > dual braking circuits which necessitated
> treating
> > > this as a different
> > > model on the assembly lines
> > >
> > > The other Federal cars were the series II cars
> > with
> > > commission numbers
> > > starting in 435... these are especially rare
> > since
> > > there were only a
> > > couple of hundred or so made
> > >
> > > Aidrian
> > >
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